0002 10:02:23:15 10:02:26:09

It was one of the biggest
aesthetic shocks of my life.

0003 10:02:26:11 10:02:28:04

If not, the biggest.

0004 10:02:28:06 10:02:31:16

It's really surprising
that humanity's oldest work

0005 10:02:31:18 10:02:36:01

is also the one with the greatest
capacity for questions.

0006 10:02:36:03 10:02:37:16

That's wonderful.

0007 10:03:15:15 10:03:17:19

Alain and Miquel,
there's a lot of CO2 down there,

0008 10:03:17:21 10:03:19:23

if you don't feel well,
you have to say before.

0009 10:03:20:00 10:03:21:08

If we fall will you catch us?

0010 10:03:21:10 10:03:23:09

Just make sure to warn us first.

0011 10:03:23:11 10:03:25:06

We have to talk
about the minimum.

0012 10:03:25:08 10:03:26:08

Yes.

0013 10:03:55:17 10:03:56:17

It's crazy.

0014 10:03:56:19 10:04:00:14

That is planet's Earth's
big masterpiece.

0015 10:04:01:14 10:04:02:22

It's amazing.

0016 10:04:02:24 10:04:05:01

I don't know anything like it.
Anywhere.

0017 10:04:05:03 10:04:07:20

It has everything. The whole history
of painting is in there.

0018 10:04:09:07 10:04:11:11

The gaze of each one
is wonderful.

0019 10:04:12:12 10:04:14:17

This one here,

0020 10:04:14:19 10:04:16:08

look at its fixed retina!

0021 10:04:16:10 10:04:17:18

Each one could have a name.

0022 10:04:17:20 10:04:19:05

That's it.

0023 10:04:20:06 10:04:22:24

We should do that,
give each of them a name.

0024 10:04:28:24 10:04:31:05

Most prehistorians believe

0025 10:04:31:07 10:04:35:09

that art began
in a frustrated way

0026 10:04:35:11 10:04:36:21

then artists gradually

0027 10:04:36:23 10:04:40:10

became more adept,
until you get to Lascaux

0028 10:04:40:12 10:04:43:01

where art was really mastered.

0029 10:04:43:03 10:04:44:03

Then afterwards,

0030 10:04:44:05 10:04:46:20

towards the end
of Paleolithic art,

0031 10:04:46:22 10:04:49:16

we reached
absolute perfect naturalism.

0032 10:04:49:18 10:04:51:13

And in fact,

0033 10:04:51:15 10:04:53:03

the discovery
of the Chauvet Cave,

0034 10:04:53:05 10:04:55:00

which is 36,000 years old

0035 10:04:55:02 10:04:59:24

and which shows paintings
and totally perfect representations,

0036 10:05:00:01 10:05:01:21

with all the mastered techniques,

0037 10:05:01:23 10:05:03:20

proves that there is no progress
in art

0038 10:05:03:22 10:05:07:00

and that
from its supposed origins,

0039 10:05:07:02 10:05:08:14

art has been successful.

0040 10:05:08:16 10:05:10:21

The main problem
the Chauvet Cave poses,

0041 10:05:10:23 10:05:12:01

is the origin of the art.

0042 10:05:12:03 10:05:15:04

Where should we look
for the origin of art?

0043 10:05:20:21 10:05:22:12

- So, that's le Sacré Coeur?
- Yeah.

0044 10:05:22:14 10:05:24:24

You see,
because of this sign here,

0045 10:05:25:01 10:05:26:06

up there, on the right.

0046 10:05:26:08 10:05:28:09

See, the sign in wheat

0047 10:05:28:11 10:05:29:19

with the cross on top...

0048 10:05:29:21 10:05:32:03

The whole surface
seems ochred

0049 10:05:32:05 10:05:35:07

but it's actually the diffusion
of the palms of hands.

0050 10:06:14:13 10:06:17:23

In the hollows or the altered areas,
it must be...

0051 10:06:18:00 10:06:20:10

It must really be this.

0052 10:06:21:24 10:06:22:24

And no more.

0053 10:06:23:01 10:06:27:17

I'd tend to say they're a bit bigger
because there's less space there.

0054 10:06:28:21 10:06:31:02

It's about the nuance, huh,
that's all it is.

0055 10:06:31:04 10:06:34:17

On the other hand, yes,
that's definitely the general shade.

0056 10:06:36:10 10:06:41:02

When you give us this information,
it really clicks afterwards.

0057 10:06:41:04 10:06:45:17

All we have to do is understand
what we have to do and...

0058 10:06:46:20 10:06:49:01

The red paintings
really spoke to me.

0059 10:06:49:03 10:06:50:13

Actually putting yourself,

0060 10:06:50:15 10:06:52:21

also, in the reproduction,

0061 10:06:52:23 10:06:56:19

I had a rather special thing

0062 10:06:56:21 10:06:59:11

with the slightly unusual
red paintings.

0063 10:07:00:17 10:07:02:12

It's a story
of communicating vessels:

0064 10:07:02:14 10:07:04:24

we go to the cave,
we fill up,

0065 10:07:08:01 10:07:10:15

we leave,
we get back to the workshop,

0066 10:07:10:17 10:07:13:16

"Ah, good,
I'll get down to it now".

0067 10:07:13:18 10:07:15:06

And schlaa...

0068 10:07:16:06 10:07:19:18

After, you have
to leave everything, sometimes,

0069 10:07:19:20 10:07:22:01

with a little moderation, attention,
of course,

0070 10:07:22:03 10:07:23:14

because you have
to be able to...

0071 10:07:23:16 10:07:26:06

There, there's some back
and forth too.

0072 10:07:40:07 10:07:44:10

A copyist is down to the detail,
to the nearest micro-millimetre.

0073 10:07:44:12 10:07:46:16

A forger's work is the same,

0074 10:07:46:18 10:07:52:17

expect there's this kind
of energy, perhaps,

0075 10:07:52:19 10:07:55:04

of risk.

0076 10:07:56:20 10:07:59:23

A risk that is taken
to not be completely accurate,

0077 10:08:00:00 10:08:01:05

perhaps.

0078 10:08:01:07 10:08:03:02

And a forger

0079 10:08:03:04 10:08:04:11

cheats a little.

0080 10:08:36:06 10:08:38:08

The first time I went into the cave
was in 2003.

0081 10:08:38:10 10:08:40:10

I counted the steps first.

0082 10:08:40:12 10:08:43:02

The first thing I did,
I went down the wells

0083 10:08:44:10 10:08:47:07

and when you count all the steps
to the bottom of the ladders,

0084 10:08:47:09 10:08:49:08

you take 1,000 years
in each step.

0085 10:08:49:10 10:08:50:11

It's weird though:

0086 10:08:50:13 10:08:53:18

when you're on the second step,
you're at the time of Jesus Christ.

0087 10:08:53:20 10:08:56:08

When you're on the fifth
or sixth step,

0088 10:08:56:10 10:08:57:19

you're in the Neolithic period

0089 10:08:57:21 10:09:00:18

and when you look at all the steps
that continue going down...

0090 10:09:00:20 10:09:03:05

And it takes 36 steps
to get to the bottom.

0091 10:09:03:07 10:09:06:05

The well, gives a thickness,

0092 10:09:06:07 10:09:10:01

gives an idea of time,
of the age it has.

0093 10:09:10:03 10:09:12:16

And especially,
after two steps you're already...

0094 10:09:12:18 10:09:14:22

Well, after three, four steps,

0095 10:09:14:24 10:09:17:10

you're leaving history
and entering pre-history,

0096 10:09:17:12 10:09:20:05

and there are still all these steps
to go to the bottom.

0097 10:09:20:07 10:09:21:20

That's where the shock
comes from,

0098 10:09:21:22 10:09:23:12

it comes from the fact

0099 10:09:23:14 10:09:25:22

that you're aware
of the volume of time.

0100 10:09:25:24 10:09:27:00

35, 40,000 years,

0101 10:09:27:02 10:09:29:05

you're aware of that
and at the same time,

0102 10:09:29:07 10:09:32:02

you get to an object which
is very, very close.

0103 10:09:32:04 10:09:34:10

Works that speak to us

0104 10:09:34:12 10:09:37:16

and very quickly appropriates us.

0105 10:09:41:03 10:09:42:05

We have an affinity

0106 10:09:42:07 10:09:45:11

with these people
and the paintings they left behind,

0107 10:09:45:13 10:09:48:19

unsurprisingly,
because they were like us.

0108 10:09:48:21 10:09:51:14

36,000 years is nothing
in the history of humanity,

0109 10:09:51:16 10:09:55:00

since people like us,

0110 10:09:55:02 10:10:00:04

known as Homo Sapiens
but I prefer to call Homo Spiritualis,

0111 10:10:00:06 10:10:02:21

people with a spirituality,

0112 10:10:02:23 10:10:04:12

who ask questions
about the world,

0113 10:10:04:14 10:10:07:12

these people have existed
for over 200,000 years.

0114 10:10:07:14 10:10:08:15

So, 36,000 years,

0115 10:10:08:17 10:10:13:08

we're in the evolved part
rather than the archaic part.

0116 10:10:13:10 10:10:15:19

And these people were like us.

0117 10:10:15:21 10:10:18:17

So when they did drawings,
they lived a life

0118 10:10:18:19 10:10:20:07

that isn't...

0119 10:10:20:09 10:10:22:20

Well, it is different from ours,
of course,

0120 10:10:22:22 10:10:25:23

because we're the ones
who've moved away from nature,

0121 10:10:26:00 10:10:27:01

not them.

0122 10:10:27:03 10:10:29:06

They were hunter-gatherers,

0123 10:10:29:08 10:10:31:15

they didn't harm nature,

0124 10:10:31:17 10:10:34:21

they lived as lions lived,
as bison lived, etc...

0125 10:10:34:23 10:10:35:23

They were nature.

0126 10:11:02:18 10:11:04:13

There are two fingerprints
on the tail,

0127 10:11:04:15 10:11:05:22

no, three actually.

0128 10:11:05:24 10:11:07:16

Shall we do them in resin?

0129 10:11:07:18 10:11:08:20

Yes, as you wish.

0130 10:11:08:22 10:11:10:09

You can do them like they did,

0131 10:11:10:11 10:11:12:03

so you take some resin,

0132 10:11:12:05 10:11:14:14

you sully it with some ochre
and then you go like this.

0133 10:11:14:16 10:11:15:23

OK, yeah, yeah.

0134 10:11:16:00 10:11:18:23

There are some actions we can try
to reproduce as they did them.

0135 10:11:19:00 10:11:21:23

It will be more authentic
than copying.

0136 10:11:22:00 10:11:23:01

Oh, yes.

0137 10:11:23:03 10:11:24:14

Well, there's more than that.

0138 10:11:25:20 10:11:26:22

Here we go.

0139 10:11:45:02 10:11:46:22

I think to render a part

0140 10:11:46:24 10:11:49:02

of the spirit,

0141 10:11:49:04 10:11:51:19

you have to force yourself
to work fast.

0142 10:11:56:20 10:11:58:00

One hour per animal is good.

0143 10:11:59:02 10:12:00:04

Which is already...

0144 10:12:01:04 10:12:03:22

Compared to the originals,
I think it's already far too long.

0145 10:12:03:24 10:12:05:22

Because a drawing like this...

0146 10:12:07:14 10:12:09:13

For someone who knows
what they're doing,

0147 10:12:09:15 10:12:13:06

it takes maybe five minutes,
I don't know, not even.

0148 10:12:13:08 10:12:16:02

Yes, five minutes perhaps
because there's a little shading.

0149 10:12:16:04 10:12:19:06

The artist used what there was.

0150 10:12:19:08 10:12:21:20

So he used the silt,
the humidity,

0151 10:12:21:22 10:12:25:06

the climatic conditions,
as painters throughout history did.

0152 10:12:25:08 10:12:31:06

The rock reliefs, bear claws,
the pigment it has.

0153 10:12:31:08 10:12:34:12

That's generally what painters do.

0154 10:12:34:14 10:12:35:22

They use what they have.

0155 10:12:35:24 10:12:38:08

They transform what could
have been a problem

0156 10:12:38:10 10:12:41:01

or a difficulty into a technique.

0157 10:12:47:14 10:12:48:21

This is one of them.

0158 10:12:51:19 10:12:52:24

The type of black it makes,

0159 10:12:53:01 10:12:55:01

is really a dense black

0160 10:12:55:03 10:12:58:03

and you don't need to push hard
to create intensity actually.

0161 10:12:58:05 10:12:59:05

It's bolder.

0162 10:12:59:07 10:13:01:07

What do we do?
Shall we perhaps shade this one?

0163 10:13:01:09 10:13:02:09

Yes.

0164 10:13:03:11 10:13:06:04

This is where you really, really smell
the scent of bread.

0165 10:13:06:06 10:13:07:07

Yes, it stinks.

0166 10:13:07:09 10:13:09:17

There must have been some
of these smells in the cave!

0167 10:13:15:02 10:13:17:02

That's perfect.

0168 10:13:19:01 10:13:20:01

I'll try.

0169 10:13:22:20 10:13:23:20

It's not bad.

0170 10:13:24:20 10:13:26:07

It's not crumbly.

0171 10:13:26:09 10:13:27:21

It crushes well.

0172 10:13:34:02 10:13:35:02

Some charcoal,

0173 10:13:35:04 10:13:36:23

you take some burnt wood

0174 10:13:38:20 10:13:40:15

and it works well,

0175 10:13:40:17 10:13:44:23

I think because we're getting closer
to the tool they used.

0176 10:13:45:00 10:13:47:07

It has an irregular side,

0177 10:13:47:09 10:13:49:15

which charcoal that's too round
won't have.

0178 10:13:52:14 10:13:55:20

The VPS viral base
has been updated.

0179 10:13:55:22 10:13:57:18

How kind, thanks.

0180 10:14:03:11 10:14:04:16

The miracle,

0181 10:14:04:18 10:14:08:06

is that for 25,000 years,

0182 10:14:08:08 10:14:12:01

people chose to go into deep caves
to do drawings.

0183 10:14:12:03 10:14:15:08

And as they
are in very deep caves,

0184 10:14:15:10 10:14:20:23

there's definitely far less damage
from nature.

0185 10:14:21:00 10:14:24:08

Far, far less than outside.

0186 10:14:24:10 10:14:26:03

All the drawings they did outside,

0187 10:14:26:05 10:14:27:17

they must have done millions,

0188 10:14:27:19 10:14:29:13

all that has completely disappeared.

0189 10:14:39:15 10:14:43:04

This is the first time I've see this,
in an etching,

0190 10:14:43:06 10:14:44:21

to make it as if
there were shading.

0191 10:14:44:23 10:14:46:16

Yes, in negative.

0192 10:14:46:18 10:14:49:06

All that to give them some volume.

0193 10:14:49:08 10:14:51:22

And not an ounce of colour.
It's only by subtraction.

0194 10:14:51:24 10:14:53:19

The economy of means

0195 10:14:53:21 10:14:55:20

is amazing.

0196 10:14:55:22 10:14:57:22

There really is
a wonderful material here.

0197 10:14:57:24 10:15:00:10

Look down there
at how it's clean and dry,

0198 10:15:00:12 10:15:02:23

look at how the material
is still dangling here.

0199 10:15:03:00 10:15:04:22

It's incredible how fresh it is.

0200 10:15:04:24 10:15:07:07

It's like it was done yesterday.

0201 10:15:07:09 10:15:09:20

Then you see, sometimes
they did the line with a finger,

0202 10:15:09:22 10:15:11:23

sometimes a piece of bone,
sometimes a flint.

0203 10:15:12:00 10:15:14:12

And you see the assurance
of the stroke.

0204 10:15:14:14 10:15:16:08

I'm still a bit too dry.

0205 10:15:18:16 10:15:20:08

What I've made
is still a bit too dry.

0206 10:15:20:10 10:15:23:19

You can feel the dampness,
it's not too strong but it's there.

0207 10:15:23:21 10:15:26:13

It's not soggy,
I mustn't have a soggy aspect.

0208 10:15:26:15 10:15:27:15

Oh, no.

0209 10:15:33:17 10:15:34:21

It's a limestone

0210 10:15:34:23 10:15:36:16

covered with clay which is soft,

0211 10:15:36:18 10:15:38:11

so even now,

0212 10:15:38:13 10:15:41:06

if you touch the original
with your fingers,

0213 10:15:41:08 10:15:44:20

you'd completely
damage the engraving.

0214 10:15:45:21 10:15:47:23

We have less merit than them,

0215 10:15:48:00 10:15:52:04

because we can reproduce it
at will

0216 10:15:52:06 10:15:55:05

while they did it right
the first time.

0217 10:16:04:01 10:16:06:16

There's nothing more instinctive
than that mammoth there.

0218 10:16:06:18 10:16:08:07

It's a choreography.

0219 10:16:08:09 10:16:11:22

You can see the body moving,
from what they did.

0220 10:16:14:22 10:16:18:08

There for one,
that's already half of the animal.

0221 10:16:18:10 10:16:21:21

The second there.

0222 10:16:23:24 10:16:26:04

The third, which stops here.

0223 10:16:28:19 10:16:30:00

And then restarts here.

0224 10:16:36:13 10:16:38:12

What's really striking,
is the freshness.

0225 10:16:38:14 10:16:40:05

It's even more spectacular

0226 10:16:40:07 10:16:41:17

in the engraved parts,

0227 10:16:41:19 10:16:45:14

where you have
some really tiny pellets

0228 10:16:45:16 10:16:47:00

of limestone and clay

0229 10:16:47:02 10:16:49:00

that will be embossed,
suspended...

0230 10:16:49:02 10:16:50:22

Pellets a few millimetres in size.

0231 10:16:50:24 10:16:53:22

And these are traces

0232 10:16:53:24 10:16:55:18

that are tens of thousands
of years old,

0233 10:16:55:20 10:16:57:03

the pellets haven't fallen.

0234 10:16:57:05 10:17:00:03

That gives you an idea
of the preservation quality

0235 10:17:00:05 10:17:01:06

a cave can offer.

0236 10:17:01:08 10:17:04:06

Consider that 20, 22,
24,000 years ago,

0237 10:17:04:08 10:17:05:17

the glaciers went as far as Lyon.

0238 10:17:05:19 10:17:09:15

So you had considerable glaciers,
which calibrated the valleys,

0239 10:17:09:17 10:17:11:07

the landscape was similar
to Alaska.

0240 10:17:11:09 10:17:14:00

In 22,000 years,
the glaciers will melt

0241 10:17:14:02 10:17:16:10

and here, the trace,
the little ball of clay,

0242 10:17:16:12 10:17:18:16

and well, it's still there,
it doesn't move.

0243 10:17:18:18 10:17:21:01

It's in the open air,
it doesn't move, it waits.

0244 10:17:21:03 10:17:22:07

It's amazing.

0245 10:17:22:09 10:17:23:14

That is amazing.

0246 10:18:00:12 10:18:03:10

You see, on the software
you have a big lump of clay.

0247 10:18:06:02 10:18:07:14

So that's good,

0248 10:18:07:16 10:18:08:21

if it's in a hollow,

0249 10:18:08:23 10:18:12:02

it's a really good sign.

0250 10:18:14:08 10:18:15:22

Look, he has red eyes!

0251 10:18:17:00 10:18:18:11

I have 56.

0252 10:18:18:13 10:18:21:02

I have 5.8.

0253 10:18:21:04 10:18:23:06

It's roughly that, all right.

0254 10:18:23:08 10:18:25:05

Save the view...
Name the view...

0255 10:18:25:07 10:18:26:19

What shall we call it?

0256 10:18:26:21 10:18:28:10

Bearded bison.

0257 10:18:30:15 10:18:32:14

I don't know,
it's an alcove at the same time.

0258 10:18:32:16 10:18:35:16

Alcove with two lionesses?

0259 10:18:35:18 10:18:37:10

It's two lionesses,
shall we do that?

0260 10:18:37:12 10:18:38:13

Yeah.

0261 10:18:40:17 10:18:43:00

There's a fascinating
theatrical sense.

0262 10:18:43:02 10:18:44:22

You see how things appear
and disappear,

0263 10:18:44:24 10:18:48:21

like in the great masterpieces
of baroque art.

0264 10:18:48:23 10:18:51:02

There's also this kind
of dramatisation,

0265 10:18:52:20 10:18:54:00

with the rhinos charging.

0266 10:18:54:02 10:18:56:22

There's also the pace of a herd.
You almost hear it.

0267 10:18:56:24 10:19:00:16

You can feel that the cave
was used as a big theatre.

0268 10:19:01:16 10:19:03:04

The cave is part of the work.

0269 10:19:32:14 10:19:33:14

My God,

0270 10:19:33:16 10:19:34:16

how wonderful!

0271 10:19:34:18 10:19:36:07

It's amazing.

0272 10:19:36:09 10:19:37:24

Oh, it's so wonderful.

0273 10:19:39:00 10:19:40:01

It's amazing.

0274 10:19:40:03 10:19:42:15

It's like the four stages of life,
isn't it?

0275 10:19:43:16 10:19:48:06

It looks like an old mare,
a young foal.

0276 10:19:48:08 10:19:49:21

Yes, that's true.

0277 10:19:49:23 10:19:52:03

Look over here,

0278 10:19:52:05 10:19:53:14

there's a dance of lines.

0279 10:19:53:16 10:19:56:17

And you see how it goes
from total black to grey.

0280 10:19:56:19 10:19:58:00

To grey, to nothing more.

0281 10:20:02:04 10:20:04:07

And these lions here,
it's amazing.

0282 10:20:04:09 10:20:05:17

That's a beauty!

0283 10:20:05:19 10:20:07:18

With these...
Who are sniffing.

0284 10:20:07:20 10:20:08:24

See? And look at the eye.

0285 10:20:09:01 10:20:10:02

Look, she's growling.

0286 10:20:10:04 10:20:11:05

Yes, she's growling.

0287 10:20:11:07 10:20:13:24

And look at the expression
on her face.

0288 10:20:16:09 10:20:18:18

Look at the eyes, how each one's
completely different.

0289 10:20:18:20 10:20:21:06

And it's the same artist,
it's obvious.

0290 10:20:22:11 10:20:23:23

And this strength...

0291 10:20:24:00 10:20:26:14

The horse comes to here.

0292 10:20:26:16 10:20:28:23

That comes from...

0293 10:20:29:00 10:20:30:07

The strength of the neck.

0294 10:20:31:07 10:20:33:23

And it's really nice

0295 10:20:34:00 10:20:35:11

that they aren't parallel lines.

0296 10:20:35:13 10:20:38:12

The fact they aren't parallel
gives it a huge magnitude.

0297 10:20:40:22 10:20:41:23

It's a complexity...

0298 10:20:42:00 10:20:43:09

- Yes.
- And then there...

0299 10:20:43:11 10:20:45:16

Look at all the little strokes
down there.

0300 10:20:45:18 10:20:47:23

Yes, look at the different blacks.

0301 10:20:48:00 10:20:50:04

There are the greys,
all the greys.

0302 10:20:50:06 10:20:52:03

There are different shades.

0303 10:20:52:05 10:20:54:02

What tool do you see
for the manes?

0304 10:20:54:04 10:20:56:02

I'm seeing coal,

0305 10:20:56:04 10:20:59:07

and then the fingers,
or thumb like that.

0306 10:20:59:09 10:21:01:16

- Yes.
- You can see this action.

0307 10:21:40:22 10:21:42:07

He is the last figure.

0308 10:21:42:09 10:21:44:09

The most remarkable of all.

0309 10:21:45:13 10:21:48:07

Certainly one of the cave's
most outstanding figures.

0310 10:21:48:09 10:21:50:07

It was done last.

0311 10:21:50:09 10:21:53:23

When you take a glance,
it's at the centre of the panel,

0312 10:21:54:00 10:21:57:05

which means
that actually its place

0313 10:21:57:07 10:21:58:22

was planned
from the beginning.

0314 10:21:58:24 10:22:02:23

That also gives us a clue
that it must function as a whole.

0315 10:22:03:00 10:22:04:12

In their mind,

0316 10:22:04:14 10:22:06:15

it was conceived as something

0317 10:22:06:17 10:22:08:00

with a beginning and an end.

0318 10:22:08:02 10:22:10:11

I think that for the major figures;

0319 10:22:10:13 10:22:13:03

the three aurochs,
the four horses, the two rhinos,

0320 10:22:13:05 10:22:15:23

it's certainly the same person.

0321 10:22:18:02 10:22:20:16

What most fascinates me,
of course there's this rhythm,

0322 10:22:20:18 10:22:22:10

but it's the difference
in morphology

0323 10:22:22:12 10:22:24:15

between each horse,

0324 10:22:24:17 10:22:26:08

each lion.

0325 10:22:26:10 10:22:28:19

That's what's amazing,
really amazing.

0326 10:22:28:21 10:22:30:03

That was found in Rembrandt.

0327 10:22:30:05 10:22:31:05

When there's a group

0328 10:22:31:07 10:22:34:09

of people

0329 10:22:34:11 10:22:35:12

sat at a table.

0330 10:22:35:14 10:22:37:10

You see this morphology.

0331 10:22:37:12 10:22:40:03

Each carries their history
on their back.

0332 10:22:40:05 10:22:42:08

It's exactly the same
with the Chauvet animals.

0333 10:22:42:10 10:22:46:07

For me this form of animality
is a form of humanism.

0334 10:22:46:09 10:22:48:13

A supreme form of humanism.

0335 10:23:13:11 10:23:15:00

That's great.

0336 10:23:15:02 10:23:16:09

- It's a rhino.
- A rhino, yes.

0337 10:23:16:11 10:23:19:06

With the forehead horn there,

0338 10:23:19:08 10:23:20:20

the nasal horn,

0339 10:23:20:22 10:23:21:22

the mouth,

0340 10:23:21:24 10:23:23:01

the lips, the eye

0341 10:23:23:03 10:23:25:12

and the hollow of the neck.

0342 10:23:25:14 10:23:26:15

That's unique.

0343 10:23:26:17 10:23:28:02

It's a kind of graphic pun.

0344 10:23:28:04 10:23:29:09

Yes, that's true.

0345 10:23:29:11 10:23:31:11

At first you see a sign,

0346 10:23:31:13 10:23:32:19

but when you see the rhino,

0347 10:23:32:21 10:23:37:14

there's a whole expression,
the power, the charging strength.

0348 10:23:37:16 10:23:39:18

And the proportions are perfect.

0349 10:23:39:20 10:23:40:20

Yes.

0350 10:23:40:22 10:23:42:16

This guy wasn't a bad drawer.

0351 10:23:42:18 10:23:43:18

No.

0352 10:23:47:20 10:23:49:14

OK, shall we go to the felines?

0353 10:23:49:16 10:23:50:19

Let's go to the felines.

0354 10:23:50:21 10:23:52:06

Mind the...

0355 10:23:54:09 10:23:56:09

Everything's re-engraved here.

0356 10:23:56:11 10:23:57:23

Yes, re-engraved on top.

0357 10:23:58:00 10:23:59:03

With the...

0358 10:23:59:05 10:24:02:06

Was there an engraving
that also served as an outline before?

0359 10:24:02:08 10:24:04:00

Because doing that in a cast...

0360 10:24:04:02 10:24:05:23

On an uneven surface.

0361 10:24:06:00 10:24:09:12

On the shell we're making,
it's huge. It's huge.

0362 10:24:09:14 10:24:13:07

I think he'd already prepared the wall
with the shape of the felines.

0363 10:24:13:09 10:24:16:04

Yes, I think there may
have been a preparation.

0364 10:24:16:06 10:24:17:19

A preparation.
I think so too.

0365 10:24:20:12 10:24:22:12

What's lovely is the rhythm.

0366 10:24:22:14 10:24:24:15

The tail, the scrotum, the ears.

0367 10:24:24:17 10:24:27:04

There's a rhythm like a music
that comes back. See?

0368 10:24:27:06 10:24:29:06

I think it's the same artist

0369 10:24:29:08 10:24:31:10

who did the rhinoceros
with the signs.

0370 10:24:31:12 10:24:33:05

Because you find this music.

0371 10:24:33:07 10:24:35:11

The little music
the other one demonstrated.

0372 10:24:35:13 10:24:38:05

He could very well have done it
a little to the right.

0373 10:24:38:07 10:24:40:10

He did it here
because there was this hole.

0374 10:24:40:12 10:24:42:12

- Yes, all the hip...
- Not for any other reason.

0375 10:24:42:14 10:24:44:21

He could well have done it
25cm further right,

0376 10:24:44:23 10:24:47:04

- he wouldn't have had that.
- Yes, there's a choice.

0377 10:24:47:06 10:24:48:07

No, no, it's the hip.

0378 10:24:48:09 10:24:50:08

It's not the hip, it's the hole

0379 10:24:50:10 10:24:52:09

and the hole is like the vagina.

0380 10:24:52:11 10:24:53:13

The cavity.

0381 10:24:53:15 10:24:56:13

That's definitely what shaped
the whole figure.

0382 10:25:02:01 10:25:04:09

I really like the two lying
at the bottom.

0383 10:25:04:11 10:25:06:12

It's really delicate.

0384 10:25:06:14 10:25:10:05

It's great how they managed
to make...

0385 10:25:10:07 10:25:12:19

With a little sfumato,
he created a large volume.

0386 10:25:17:21 10:25:19:19

This is one
of the cave's masterpieces.

0387 10:25:21:06 10:25:22:14

It's all there.

0388 10:25:22:16 10:25:24:19

With an economy of means...

0389 10:25:24:21 10:25:25:24

Yes.

0390 10:25:27:03 10:25:29:16

You can see the resumption
of the stroke.

0391 10:25:29:18 10:25:30:20

Yes, yes.

0392 10:25:30:22 10:25:33:12

Yes, a whole resumption here.

0393 10:25:34:13 10:25:35:23

She will move.

0394 10:25:36:00 10:25:37:00

And then after you move.

0395 10:25:37:02 10:25:39:06

- Yes.
- Up to here.

0396 10:25:39:08 10:25:41:12

Then a second here

0397 10:25:41:14 10:25:42:18

a third up to here,

0398 10:25:42:20 10:25:44:13

and a fourth up to here

0399 10:25:44:15 10:25:45:23

and then pause.

0400 10:25:46:00 10:25:48:22

It's at least four,
because it's huge.

0401 10:25:53:19 10:25:55:13

I think that's the movement,

0402 10:25:55:15 10:25:57:21

and that's the verb.

0403 10:25:57:23 10:25:59:24

It's the fact of screwing.

0404 10:26:00:01 10:26:02:24

The lion and the lioness
are screwing,

0405 10:26:03:01 10:26:04:08

that's the red line.

0406 10:26:04:10 10:26:06:13

And that's the movement,
the inclination.

0407 10:26:06:15 10:26:09:00

That's the thigh,
the strength...

0408 10:26:09:02 10:26:11:08

We don't know
if the female will...

0409 10:26:11:10 10:26:13:07

Oh, listen, she seems like...

0410 10:26:13:09 10:26:14:13

Yes, she seems,

0411 10:26:14:15 10:26:16:08

but you never know
how these things end.

0412 10:26:16:10 10:26:18:16

Perhaps there's a second male
that appears here...

0413 10:26:18:18 10:26:20:11

But look at the end
of the red line.

0414 10:26:20:13 10:26:23:12

Yes, it ends like a second male.

0415 10:26:23:14 10:26:26:16

It may well be two males
and a female.

0416 10:26:26:18 10:26:29:00

That's a big subject
in the history of art.

0417 10:26:29:02 10:26:32:08

Yes, why not, it's even a great...

0418 10:26:32:10 10:26:33:20

A great hypothesis.

0419 10:26:33:22 10:26:35:03

A great hypothesis.

0420 10:26:35:05 10:26:36:09

Yes.

0421 10:26:36:11 10:26:37:23

Yes.

0422 10:26:39:03 10:26:41:04

I think the better
you understand the work,

0423 10:26:41:06 10:26:42:14

the better you reproduce it.

0424 10:26:43:14 10:26:44:14

In several places,

0425 10:26:44:16 10:26:46:02

it's their behaviour,

0426 10:26:46:04 10:26:48:19

it's the ethology of the animal
they're giving you.

0427 10:26:48:21 10:26:49:21

The hunt,

0428 10:26:49:23 10:26:54:03

groups like that
which are tensed to go hunting,

0429 10:26:54:05 10:26:56:04

love rituals.

0430 10:26:57:17 10:27:00:09

I can see them behind bushes,
like that,

0431 10:27:00:11 10:27:04:12

to look at the groups
of lions accurately.

0432 10:28:18:04 10:28:19:21

It's a little scary.

0433 10:28:32:12 10:28:35:00

There's really a whole calligraphy

0434 10:28:35:02 10:28:37:14

between the thick
and thin strokes,

0435 10:28:37:16 10:28:40:01

there's really a jubilation.

0436 10:28:45:12 10:28:46:13

There are places

0437 10:28:46:15 10:28:50:09

where they'll press more,
on certain curves,

0438 10:28:50:11 10:28:52:20

and then after
it becomes more refined,

0439 10:28:52:22 10:28:58:03

then traced in a normal way,

0440 10:28:58:05 10:29:00:24

then refined again,
then re-pressed.

0441 10:29:01:01 10:29:04:05

And that's a monstrous command.

0442 10:29:07:07 10:29:09:03

It wasn't just anyone
who did that.

0443 10:29:12:15 10:29:14:04

There's absurdity in Chauvet,

0444 10:29:14:06 10:29:16:19

and that's where

0445 10:29:16:21 10:29:18:18

it's quite hard to reproduce

0446 10:29:18:20 10:29:21:23

because you have
to show this intensity,

0447 10:29:22:00 10:29:24:03

this very short execution time,

0448 10:29:25:21 10:29:27:17

you have
to find this choreography.

0449 10:29:27:19 10:29:29:19

There you go,
that's important.

0450 10:29:31:23 10:29:35:14

And where it's hard,
is that it also has to resemble it.

0451 10:29:39:20 10:29:40:24

This stroke,

0452 10:29:43:11 10:29:45:06

it's like one of Miró's strokes,

0453 10:29:45:08 10:29:48:16

it's hours and hours and hours
and even more than hours,

0454 10:29:48:18 10:29:51:18

that is to say
it's also generations

0455 10:29:51:20 10:29:55:00

of people who train,
who paint, who draw.

0456 10:29:56:13 10:29:58:18

It certainly didn't happen
like that.

0457 10:30:17:16 10:30:18:23

It's completely modern.

0458 10:30:20:02 10:30:22:21

Very often in prehistoric art,
you see incomplete animals,

0459 10:30:23:21 10:30:26:20

because there was no need
to represent all the rest.

0460 10:30:26:22 10:30:29:07

We manage to read the entire animal
with just one line.

0461 10:30:33:03 10:30:35:04

They say that
there are two arts

0462 10:30:35:06 10:30:37:14

that were discovered

0463 10:30:37:16 10:30:38:18

in the 20th century;

0464 10:30:38:20 10:30:40:20

modern art and prehistoric art.

0465 10:30:42:18 10:30:43:18

There you go.

0466 10:31:37:15 10:31:39:23

We realised
that these juxtaposed points

0467 10:31:40:00 10:31:42:15

are actually ochred palms
of hands

0468 10:31:42:17 10:31:45:04

applied side by side.

0469 10:31:45:06 10:31:49:07

At least two people
were involved

0470 10:31:49:09 10:31:53:03

in the making, in the realisation
of these panels.

0471 10:31:55:11 10:31:58:11

You see how they fit
into the gaps?

0472 10:31:58:13 10:32:01:05

And the gesture like that,
the turning of the hand.

0473 10:32:01:07 10:32:03:08

I'd still rather see an application...

0474 10:32:03:10 10:32:04:13

- Schparf!
- Hard, yes.

0475 10:32:04:15 10:32:06:18

- Hard pressed.
- But look at the size of the hand.

0476 10:32:06:20 10:32:08:09

It's a little hand.

0477 10:32:08:11 10:32:10:10

Yes, a small female hand.

0478 10:32:10:12 10:32:12:19

We think
that may have been a woman.

0479 10:32:12:21 10:32:14:20

I really like the idea
it was a young woman.

0480 10:32:15:21 10:32:19:05

It has to be a woman
or a teenager,

0481 10:32:19:07 10:32:20:13

because the palm is small

0482 10:32:20:15 10:32:23:12

and on the big high panel
there are...

0483 10:32:23:14 10:32:26:07

The hands are grouped

0484 10:32:26:09 10:32:29:12

to represent a herbivore,
well, an animal.

0485 10:32:29:14 10:32:31:12

Instead, these hands

0486 10:32:31:14 10:32:32:18

would belong to a man,

0487 10:32:32:20 10:32:34:13

who had very long palms,

0488 10:32:34:15 10:32:37:10

long fingers
and that appear in certain places

0489 10:32:37:12 10:32:40:02

and whose little finger appears

0490 10:32:40:04 10:32:41:07

to be a little bent.

0491 10:32:43:01 10:32:44:12

Look at one thing,

0492 10:32:44:14 10:32:45:21

it's already like a mammoth.

0493 10:32:45:23 10:32:48:07

The entire panel
is already a mammoth.

0494 10:32:48:09 10:32:51:23

Yes, there's a first one like that
and a second one.

0495 10:32:52:24 10:32:54:08

It's really, really nice.

0496 10:32:55:23 10:32:57:03

This hand print,

0497 10:32:57:05 10:32:58:08

what's extraordinary,

0498 10:32:58:10 10:33:02:15

is that it can be found
throughout the course

0499 10:33:02:17 10:33:04:01

of the whole cavity.

0500 10:33:04:03 10:33:05:04

The people

0501 10:33:05:06 10:33:07:05

who applied the palms
of their hands

0502 10:33:07:07 10:33:10:20

in the first rooms of the cave
went all the way to the bottom.

0503 10:33:14:16 10:33:15:23

Ochre can't be dated,

0504 10:33:16:00 10:33:18:24

it's clay with iron oxide,

0505 10:33:19:01 10:33:21:19

so it can't be carbon-14 dated,

0506 10:33:21:21 10:33:23:19

but they are still older

0507 10:33:23:21 10:33:25:24

than the black drawings

0508 10:33:26:01 10:33:28:16

since they are covered
by these black drawings.

0509 10:33:38:08 10:33:40:09

Is it here
that there's the crooked finger?

0510 10:33:40:11 10:33:41:11

Right, right.

0511 10:33:41:13 10:33:43:00

Which one
has the crooked finger?

0512 10:33:43:02 10:33:44:15

- In front.
- Yes, yes, exactly.

0513 10:33:45:22 10:33:46:22

Yes.

0514 10:34:02:01 10:34:03:20

Are you working on that?

0515 10:34:03:22 10:34:05:22

Are you working
on this part here? Yes?

0516 10:34:05:24 10:34:07:17

We're going
to have this whole panel.

0517 10:34:07:19 10:34:08:24

Yes, but it's great.

0518 10:34:09:01 10:34:10:12

With the big rhino

0519 10:34:10:14 10:34:12:17

and we'll stop after the casting
of the calcite.

0520 10:34:12:19 10:34:13:19

Oh, yes?

0521 10:34:13:21 10:34:15:22

This rhino is beautiful.

0522 10:34:15:24 10:34:18:13

There's a colour difference,
a chromatic richness.

0523 10:34:23:17 10:34:24:20

That one's still nice.

0524 10:34:25:23 10:34:26:23

It's lovely anyway.

0525 10:34:27:00 10:34:28:00

Oh, yes.

0526 10:34:30:00 10:34:31:17

What I really like,
is that there's...

0527 10:34:31:19 10:34:33:11

It's as if there were all the...

0528 10:34:33:13 10:34:34:19

Everything's on it.

0529 10:34:34:21 10:34:35:21

- Yes.
- Yes, yes.

0530 10:34:35:23 10:34:38:22

All full of things from the cave
seen on many different panels,

0531 10:34:38:24 10:34:40:19

- it's all there.
- A sample of everything.

0532 10:34:49:08 10:34:51:23

In any case, it may not seem like it,
but it's progressed.

0533 10:34:52:00 10:34:53:00

All the same.

0534 10:34:53:02 10:34:54:21

- Oh, yes, that's clear.
- Look.

0535 10:34:58:07 10:34:59:17

It never stops, huh.

0536 10:35:03:11 10:35:04:17

See how this one here is?

0537 10:35:04:19 10:35:07:02

It's quite clear in the middle.
True.

0538 10:35:07:04 10:35:08:20

- It's not the same at all.
- True.

0539 10:35:08:22 10:35:12:12

It's like he had a big lump
of ochre in his hand

0540 10:35:12:14 10:35:15:09

but almost dry and...
Bam.

0541 10:36:33:23 10:36:34:23

It's a little dry.

0542 10:36:35:00 10:36:36:09

That's true.

0543 10:36:36:11 10:36:38:19

Aren't you going
to try making the damp side?

0544 10:36:38:21 10:36:40:01

I want to tell the truth.

0545 10:36:40:03 10:36:41:15

That's why you called me so...

0546 10:36:41:17 10:36:43:08

We have
to solve the problem with...

0547 10:36:43:10 10:36:44:19

No, the humidity problem.

0548 10:36:44:21 10:36:46:18

Unfortunately,
we can't solve that here.

0549 10:36:46:20 10:36:47:23

I think so.

0550 10:36:48:00 10:36:51:11

If we could do a test,
I think so.

0551 10:36:51:13 10:36:54:05

Try taking a little acrylic,

0552 10:36:54:07 10:36:56:13

mixing it with some charcoal
and blending with it.

0553 10:36:56:15 10:36:58:08

Even if it moves a little.

0554 10:36:58:10 10:37:00:06

Because it's always a little dry.

0555 10:37:00:08 10:37:02:04

Like a little too dusty.

0556 10:37:02:06 10:37:05:09

When it stays dusty
it's a bit like pastel.

0557 10:37:05:11 10:37:07:18

And in Chauvet
there's this sensation

0558 10:37:07:20 10:37:10:17

of immediate painting
because they do this blending.

0559 10:37:10:19 10:37:14:09

The background and the image
become the same thing.

0560 10:37:14:11 10:37:18:03

It's because they used the silt,
what came from scraping,

0561 10:37:18:05 10:37:19:16

to mix with it.

0562 10:37:19:18 10:37:20:18

That's Chauvet.

0563 10:37:20:20 10:37:21:23

Yes, yes.

0564 10:37:22:00 10:37:26:00

But what makes it quite hard
to imitate,

0565 10:37:26:02 10:37:28:09

in my opinion,
is that the cave is damp.

0566 10:37:28:11 10:37:31:17

There's nothing to do,
it's 98% humidity,

0567 10:37:31:19 10:37:33:21

so we're bathing in dampness.

0568 10:37:37:18 10:37:40:18

This one seems really balanced,
very accurate to me.

0569 10:37:42:00 10:37:43:00

It's good.

0570 10:37:43:02 10:37:47:07

It's in the horses over there
I think there's something which is...

0571 10:37:47:09 10:37:50:00

The eye here is round
and it's not round.

0572 10:37:50:02 10:37:51:18

There's a different expression.

0573 10:37:51:20 10:37:53:09

They have two expressions.

0574 10:37:53:11 10:37:56:17

The expression isn't the same.

0575 10:37:56:19 10:37:59:08

It's as if one
of them was angry

0576 10:37:59:10 10:38:01:03

and the other wanted
to eat some grass.

0577 10:38:01:05 10:38:03:13

It's not the same expression,

0578 10:38:03:15 10:38:05:03

quite simply.

0579 10:38:06:22 10:38:09:15

You can come and bother me
in my studio in Paris one day.

0580 10:38:09:17 10:38:11:24

We'll drink some wine...

0581 10:38:15:03 10:38:16:24

I'm embarrassed to do that.

0582 10:38:18:11 10:38:20:04

Yes. Really.

0583 10:38:20:06 10:38:21:10

It's odd, yes.

0584 10:38:40:22 10:38:42:10

Usually, when drying,

0585 10:38:42:12 10:38:44:23

acrylic will remain transparent

0586 10:38:45:00 10:38:48:00

and will stay stuck to the wall,
only little bits,

0587 10:38:48:02 10:38:49:22

of real calcite
that I crushed.

0588 10:39:14:00 10:39:15:20

The stroke is wider.

0589 10:39:15:22 10:39:18:24

Well, wider, meaning
it's a little unclear on the edges

0590 10:39:19:01 10:39:20:11

and the contours are less clear.

0591 10:39:20:13 10:39:22:09

This one too for that matter.

0592 10:39:22:11 10:39:24:07

It's too pronounced.

0593 10:39:25:09 10:39:26:17

Not all, but...

0594 10:39:26:19 10:39:29:19

Yes, but here it's particularly
pronounced compared to...

0595 10:39:30:21 10:39:33:21

That's not much to do.

0596 10:39:33:23 10:39:38:07

So we're trying to soften the sheaf
and the cross a little.

0597 10:39:38:09 10:39:40:10

Especially the small stroke
on the bias,

0598 10:39:40:12 10:39:43:16

you see the cross,
a little unclear.

0599 10:39:43:18 10:39:45:08

- Light, light.
- Yes. OK.

0600 10:39:46:08 10:39:50:00

Even delete the first line.

0601 10:39:51:01 10:39:52:21

To delete it, the first line.

0602 10:39:52:23 10:39:54:18

- Oh, yes.
- Definitely delete it.

0603 10:39:54:20 10:39:57:13

For the sheaf,
the first line at the top,

0604 10:39:57:15 10:40:01:00

we feel it,
but really, really lightly.

0605 10:40:01:02 10:40:02:02

OK.

0606 10:40:31:24 10:40:32:24

You all right, Yoann?

0607 10:40:34:01 10:40:35:01

No...

0608 10:40:37:02 10:40:38:22

I'm going to go for a walk
because now...

0609 10:40:38:24 10:40:40:20

It's annoying me.

0610 10:40:51:02 10:40:52:18

It's all going to change?

0611 10:40:52:20 10:40:55:15

I won't change it all
but it's delicate.

0612 10:40:56:15 10:40:59:03

I did what he told me,

0613 10:40:59:05 10:41:02:07

I lightened it with the sandpaper
but it shows.

0614 10:41:03:21 10:41:04:21

And...

0615 10:41:04:23 10:41:07:09

Yes, but you can
make a little juice

0616 10:41:07:11 10:41:09:09

so you won't see it anymore.

0617 10:41:09:11 10:41:10:22

Yeah, but I'm...

0618 10:41:10:24 10:41:12:01

Yes, that's obvious.

0619 10:41:12:03 10:41:13:12

I'm exhausted, I...

0620 10:41:13:14 10:41:16:15

Yes. I understand.

0621 10:41:25:07 10:41:26:11

I cracked.

0622 10:41:42:11 10:41:44:01

The men who painted

0623 10:41:44:03 10:41:47:12

in Chauvet
knew the cave perfectly.

0624 10:41:47:14 10:41:51:09

Meaning they must have gone
through it many, many times

0625 10:41:51:11 10:41:53:22

to know every detail,
every crack,

0626 10:41:53:24 10:41:57:23

and they didn't
place their images randomly.

0627 10:41:58:00 10:42:00:16

So there's a desire

0628 10:42:00:18 10:42:02:11

to do some supporting research
first.

0629 10:42:02:13 10:42:04:10

And then after there's the use

0630 10:42:04:12 10:42:07:18

of the reliefs of the supports

0631 10:42:07:20 10:42:08:24

chosen and selected.

0632 10:42:17:04 10:42:19:08

You have
to imagine a flickering flame,

0633 10:42:19:10 10:42:21:07

as well as people
who were moving,

0634 10:42:21:09 10:42:22:14

to illuminate these walls,

0635 10:42:22:16 10:42:25:04

so then when
you have the shadows moving,

0636 10:42:25:06 10:42:26:21

the wall comes to life

0637 10:42:26:23 10:42:28:14

and it's quite conducive

0638 10:42:28:16 10:42:30:11

to the imagination

0639 10:42:30:13 10:42:33:19

and to see through the shapes
of the animals in the wall.

0640 10:42:33:21 10:42:35:15

It's very clear that,

0641 10:42:35:17 10:42:38:01

simply with the little shadow
created here,

0642 10:42:38:03 10:42:42:02

you see the roundness
of the thigh it creates.

0643 10:42:42:04 10:42:47:02

That's simply by playing
on the concave and convex.

0644 10:42:48:02 10:42:51:06

And it's not necessarily
by using the volume

0645 10:42:51:08 10:42:53:14

in the right way
that they will make use of the wall.

0646 10:42:53:16 10:42:55:12

A hollow will make a lump.

0647 10:42:56:16 10:42:59:06

It's painting in three dimensions.

0648 10:43:02:03 10:43:04:20

There's something very naturalist
in Chauvet in general,

0649 10:43:04:22 10:43:07:04

while at Lascaux you feel
there's still a distance

0650 10:43:07:06 10:43:10:12

between the human
and the animal.

0651 10:43:10:14 10:43:13:02

The animal is considered more
as a symbol.

0652 10:43:13:04 10:43:15:16

There's more
of the naturalist aspect here.

0653 10:43:15:18 10:43:17:23

The closer we get to the end
of the Paleolithic era,

0654 10:43:18:00 10:43:19:16

with the settlement etc,

0655 10:43:19:18 10:43:21:22

the more
we feel this distance impose itself.

0656 10:43:21:24 10:43:24:17

Where man
becomes more predator

0657 10:43:24:19 10:43:26:02

than prey.

0658 10:43:26:04 10:43:29:00

He masters nature while here,

0659 10:43:29:02 10:43:30:10

you really feel

0660 10:43:32:08 10:43:35:21

that man is equal
with the animal here.

0661 10:43:59:24 10:44:01:08

Chauvet is what we see.

0662 10:44:01:10 10:44:02:15

I don't think

0663 10:44:02:17 10:44:04:04

it's the symbol of anything else.

0664 10:44:04:06 10:44:06:24

I don't think there's anything

0665 10:44:07:01 10:44:09:09

other than what we see
or what isn't there.

0666 10:44:09:11 10:44:11:18

This space.
That's it.

0667 10:44:11:20 10:44:13:04

For me,
that's quite enough.

0668 10:44:15:05 10:44:19:14

The lion and lioness rubbing
before they mate is enough for me.

0669 10:44:19:16 10:44:23:02

I think it's a really good example
of life.

0670 10:44:30:17 10:44:32:11

I've asked myself a question

0671 10:44:32:13 10:44:36:10

that's perhaps a little naive,
but I've never had an answer.

0672 10:44:37:19 10:44:43:10

How could an artist
paint the morphology of felines

0673 10:44:43:12 10:44:46:24

which are extremely dangerous
with all this detail?

0674 10:44:48:10 10:44:49:14

Seen from so close.

0675 10:44:49:16 10:44:51:06

The retina fixed,

0676 10:44:51:08 10:44:53:22

the nostrils flared
just before attacking...

0677 10:44:53:24 10:44:55:21

To see all that,
you have to be really close.

0678 10:44:55:23 10:44:57:01

When doing a portrait

0679 10:44:57:03 10:44:59:13

we get really close like this
to see the retina,

0680 10:44:59:15 10:45:01:00

the exact shape of...

0681 10:45:01:02 10:45:05:03

Most of the time,
the model isn't likely to bite you.

0682 10:45:06:14 10:45:08:01

That remains a mystery.

0683 10:46:06:12 10:46:08:16

One, two, three,

0684 10:46:08:18 10:46:10:13

four, five, six,

0685 10:46:10:15 10:46:12:13

seven, eight, nine...

0686 10:46:12:15 10:46:14:11

There are ten in total.

0687 10:46:14:13 10:46:15:18

There are ten of them.

0688 10:46:15:20 10:46:17:10

I'd say, look here.

0689 10:46:19:19 10:46:21:06

I'd say more.

0690 10:46:21:08 10:46:23:05

You'd say more? 12?

0691 10:46:23:07 10:46:26:12

Look, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

0692 10:46:26:14 10:46:27:17

12, yes. 12.

0693 10:46:32:06 10:46:35:04

First,
he did a test line like that.

0694 10:46:35:06 10:46:37:07

Then he did the head,

0695 10:46:37:09 10:46:38:14

then the two...

0696 10:46:39:17 10:46:42:06

And then with both hands, this.

0697 10:46:44:00 10:46:46:14

Then the beak
and the ears.

0698 10:46:49:00 10:46:50:14

That's about it.

0699 10:46:56:19 10:46:58:12

I can try and do it more slowly.

0700 10:46:58:14 10:47:00:02

I don't know how to do it slowly.

0701 10:47:03:23 10:47:05:13

Go on, I'll count.

0702 10:47:22:15 10:47:23:15

And there you go.

0703 10:47:23:17 10:47:25:05

You do it in less
than ten seconds.

0704 10:47:26:13 10:47:27:20

That's like a signature.

0705 10:47:27:22 10:47:29:15

A real drawing style.

0706 10:47:29:17 10:47:33:17

If drawing is thinking
in visible forms,

0707 10:47:33:19 10:47:34:24

that's exactly it.

0708 10:47:35:01 10:47:36:09

A visible form of thought.

0709 10:47:37:09 10:47:41:14

The thought "owl" is perhaps quicker
than the word "owl".

0710 10:47:50:01 10:47:51:02

These works,

0711 10:47:51:04 10:47:53:13

they look at us from afar,
it's we who are really small,

0712 10:47:53:15 10:47:54:17

it's not the works.

0713 10:47:56:09 10:47:59:05

We are very small compared
to their gaze over us.

0714 10:48:26:12 10:48:28:14

I feel these people
like my brothers,

0715 10:48:28:16 10:48:29:18

like my loved ones.

0716 10:48:29:20 10:48:30:20

And at the same time,

0717 10:48:30:22 10:48:34:20

it is so diluted
in time and space

0718 10:48:36:16 10:48:38:12

that it's a huge lesson
in humility.

0719 10:48:38:14 10:48:42:15

In fact,
there is no progress.

0720 10:48:42:17 10:48:44:03

Everything is already there.

0721 10:48:44:05 10:48:48:01

It's more a mirror
than a distant echo.

0722 10:48:49:01 10:48:50:02

Chauvet is the future.

0723 10:48:53:08 10:48:54:14

It's our obligation,

0724 10:48:54:16 10:48:55:22

not only to not damage them,

0725 10:48:55:24 10:48:58:09

but to preserve them
as best we can.

0726 10:48:58:11 10:49:02:03

We have to avoid it
being put in danger, of course.

0727 10:49:02:05 10:49:03:20

Let's go down slowly.

0728 10:49:05:20 10:49:06:22

Let's go.

0729 10:49:06:24 10:49:09:03

It's all right, it's all right.

0730 10:50:52:00 10:50:53:04

For works of art,

0731 10:50:53:06 10:50:55:23

there's nothing more destructive
than the human being.

0732 10:50:56:00 10:50:57:00

We know that.

0733 10:50:57:02 10:50:59:14

We have to protect them
from ourselves.

0734 10:51:00:19 10:51:01:19

Yeah.