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(helicopter engine)

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- For over seven
years, we have detained

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hundreds of people
at Guantanamo.

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We're cleaning up something
that is quite simply a mess.

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This decision that I made
was to order the closing

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of the prison camp
within one year.

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(applause)

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- [Narrator] The President
did not keep his promise.

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Two years later, Guantanamo
is still operating.

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Could shutting the door
on the detention center

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really end the
trauma of Guantanamo?

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And can the closing
of a prison really

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liberate those it
once held captive?

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(water running)

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(speaks foreign language)

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- And the flag flew over
Camp Delta in Guantanamo Bay,

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Cuba where the
detainees are housed,

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to honor all those service
members and civilian

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who have lost their lives during
the Cold War on Terrorism,

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and those who continue
to defend the ideals

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of freedom and democracy
throughout the world,

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so I really appreciate
that because I

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very much enjoyed
serving my country.

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It's painful and it makes
me sad that there are those

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who think my service
is not honorable.

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If anyone googles my name,
torture will come up because

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my name was put in books of
all types which of course

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have in its title torture.

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The Torture Team, The Road
to Torture, The Trail to

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Torture, I don't know,
all these kinds of things.

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People think I must
be the torture lady.

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(train clatters on track)

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(police siren in distance)

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- [Man Voiceover] And a
United States prosecutor

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points an accusatory
finger at your chest

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and calls you a criminal,

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and tells you that you
have betrayed your oath

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and you have betrayed
your country,

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and you have endangered the
safety of the men and women

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that you swore to share
your burdens with.

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Mathew Diaz disclosed a
list of names of people

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at Guantanamo Bay, and he
has paid a terrible price.

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- There's a lot of reasons
for people to hate me.

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There is no easy answer,
Guantanamo has caused a lot

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of heartache for a lot
of different people.

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- We're at war.

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When a plane strikes the
Pentagon and tries to kill

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people in the Pentagon,
it's very personal.

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It sounds corny to say it
was my duty, but I felt like

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I couldn't retire without
at least offering to deploy,

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and I volunteered
to go anywhere.

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(airplane engine)

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It's very scary that there's
these people out here

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that just want to
destroy our way of life,

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our culture, our values
and not understand why.

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I mean how do win hearts and
minds, how do you stop this

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if you don't
understand your enemy?

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(light soft music)

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(speaks foreign language)

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- [Reporter Voiceover]
US bombing raids continue

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around the clock attacking
Taliban tanks and

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trenches north of
the Pakistani border.

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(speaks foreign language)

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(helicopter engine)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(speaks foreign language)

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(airplane engine)

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(speaks foreign language)

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- Very strange.

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Plane loads of
detainees would show up,

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wherever they came from, some

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had been recovering from wounds

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in combat and I mean there
was just so many challenges.

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There may be these people
whether they're body guards

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of Osama Bin Laden or
whatever their role is

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maybe there are
pieces of information

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that are gonna
make a difference.

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And I sat in on hundreds and
who knows maybe a thousand

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interrogations, I don't
know, I saw so many.

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It's a mind game, it's
trying to illicit information

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a variety of different ways,
and playing on a person's ego,

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playing on a person's love
of family, love of country.

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The two things that work is
separation from your buddies,

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and lack of sleep.

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And so the detainee then becomes
to rely on the interrogator

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and hopefully then
at some point,

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the detainee will
become so compliant,

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the detainee will
tell you the things

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that you're asking
about and you'll get the

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intelligence information
that you need.

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(distant helicopter)

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(speaks foreign language)

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I know at least one
of his interrogations

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and I may have seen more.

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He was associated
with some bad guys,

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we definitely thought
he could be dangerous.

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He wasn't an innocent
guy, I'm sorry.

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The cover story of I just
happened to be at the

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wrong place at the wrong
time, but I'm really

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this religious guy
just doesn't cut it.

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He certainly was not compliant

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and didn't want
to obey the rules,

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and it made it difficult
for the MPs to deal with.

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It was a very intense time,
many people felt certain

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there would be another
attack against America and so

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the intensity of trying to
work as hard as you could

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to do your part to
save American lives.

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- A part of me wanted
to participate in this

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war on terror, or
contribute in some way.

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I knew if I didn't
volunteer for Guantanamo,

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there was a good chance
that I could be sent to

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Afghanistan and I did
not want to go there.

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There was a better chance
of me coming home alive

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from Guantanamo to my family.

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Maybe a third reason would
be it's career enhancing,

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it looks good on the record
that you participated

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in some way on this
global war on terror and

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you got the medals to go with
or the ribbons to go with it

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and it helps you get promoted
to the next pay grade.

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(airplane engine)

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I mean 9/11, a lot of
people were killed that day.

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I wanted to make sure
somebody was held accountable.

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How dare anyone on this planet
do that within our borders.

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- We definitely have
people who know things,

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they aren't talking, they're
resisting every effort.

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We've tried the normal methods

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so now we need something else.

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In Afghanistan, they were
doing many more severe things

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handcuffing someone above
their head for hours and hours.

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Anytime you restrain somebody
for long periods of time,

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particularly over their head,
your organs collapsed on

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each other and you eventually
died because of that.

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So the interrogators at
Gitmo as well as myself

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are thinking, "Oh my gosh."

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Anyway it's not professional
to do something like that.

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What else can we do?

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And we would
brainstorm essentially.

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What does everyone
know, what's out there?

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We needed additional
aggressive techniques.

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Everyone understood that
torture wasn't allowed,

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and obvious forms of torture
such as cutting off a finger,

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or electrocuting, any
of those obvious things

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that you couldn't do, death
threats and things like that.

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What was allowed?

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Well for example if someone
said, "Oh we have a pistol,

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"we know it's not loaded,
and we'll point it at

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"somebody's head." Ah,
no that would be illegal.

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What if built a special chair,
and put the detainee in it

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and you're thinking, "Special
chair, what does that mean?"

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What about stress positions,
what about making them

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bend in an awkward position and

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they can't get up
until I say so.

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There can be a gray area.

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When you're being
asked for legal advice,

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I did my best to
look at the sources

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of the law that might apply,

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but I certainly
wasn't an expert.

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I had called around asking for
help and no one would help me

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so right away you
don't have to be too

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clever to know no one
wants to touch it.

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We've researched and now we
have to put pen to paper,

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and so my legal staff and
I worked with very little

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sleep over those four days
but we started putting

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the memo together and
rewriting and looking at it

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and legal references
and ultimately,

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we're happy with
what we came up with.

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- [Woman Voiceover] In
October 2002, Diane Beaver

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concludes in a classified
memo, that the proposed

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interrogation methods comply
with US and international law.

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10 days later, Secretary
of Defense Rumsfeld

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authorizing 18 of the 22
techniques including stress

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positions, removal of
clothing, and the use of

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detainee phobias
like fear of dogs.

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Rumsfeld does not authorize
some of the harshest methods

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that included death
threats, and water boarding.

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- Okay, well now we have
the decisive piece of paper.

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Let's go, we need to start
up interrogations again,

00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:06.999
now that we have policy
guidance from the very

00:22:07.040 --> 00:22:10.640
top of the Department
of Defense.

00:22:13.360 --> 00:22:16.880
(speaks foreign language)

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- [Man On Recording] At 13:25
hours, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

00:22:33.999 --> 00:22:38.999
(speaks foreign language)

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(bomb explodes)

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- [Woman Reporter] This
morning, Al-Qaeda suicide

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bombers attacked a
Synagogue in Istanbul.

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56 people are reported
dead, and over 700 injured.

00:23:03.120 --> 00:23:08.120
(voices on recorder)

00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:52.160
(speaks foreign language)

00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:11.240
(voices on recorder)

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- Unbelievable.

00:24:56.080 --> 00:24:57.999
What purpose did that serve,

00:24:58.080 --> 00:24:59.480
it wasn't illiciting
information.

00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.320
I mean you know, this is
sadistic, and this is not

00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.120
the product of a
professional anything.

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- [Man Voiceover] The
usually jovial jody Rumsfeld

00:25:11.080 --> 00:25:12.999
was grim as he was sworn
in and promptly took

00:25:13.120 --> 00:25:15.440
responsibility for what
he called a catastrophe.

00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:18.560
He was interrupted by
hecklers calling for his head.

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- It was terrible because
the army will and has been

00:25:24.280 --> 00:25:27.999
tarnished and will be
tarnished for a very long time.

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It's difficult to recover
from something like this.

00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:41.200
I knew it was time to get
out because I accomplished

00:25:41.360 --> 00:25:43.960
as much as I could and
I wanted to have a dog,

00:25:43.999 --> 00:25:48.480
I wanted to have my own house
and those kinds of things

00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.760
where I didn't have
to worry about would

00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.120
I be deployed and what do I do.

00:25:54.280 --> 00:25:56.999
That's why I retired when I did.

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- Because of the
embarrassment at Abu Ghraib

00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:09.999
there was more focus
on Guantanamo as well.

00:26:10.080 --> 00:26:14.240
Well my mission while
I was down there became

00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:16.480
to make sure that another
Abu Ghraib didn't happen.

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And I felt I had a role
to play in ensuring that

00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:24.920
we complied with the rule
of law, the law of war.

00:26:28.999 --> 00:26:31.400
My job was to start chart
allegations of abuse

00:26:31.560 --> 00:26:33.840
going back to the
beginning of the camp.

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No matter how they
characterized the conflict,

00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.880
we're to treat detainees or
those we detain humanely.

00:26:47.999 --> 00:26:52.040
What I observed,
that we were still

00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.600
not complying with
the law of war.

00:26:54.760 --> 00:26:57.999
The name Diane Beaver came up
because she the original memo

00:26:58.120 --> 00:27:01.680
to request these enhanced
interrogation techniques.

00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.080
One of the interrogators
was concerned

00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:08.720
about the techniques
that were authorized.

00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.080
That's something that I would
send to him for reference.

00:27:15.280 --> 00:27:16.440
The people that
were there, clearly

00:27:16.600 --> 00:27:18.840
were not the worst of the worst,

00:27:18.999 --> 00:27:20.280
and not everybody
should have been there.

00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:21.999
Clearly they were just at the
wrong place at the wrong time

00:27:22.120 --> 00:27:25.720
and sold to the US or turned
over to the US for bounties.

00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:30.920
Murat Kurnaz was one of them.

00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:34.999
My job is to comport with
the laws and make sure my

00:27:35.080 --> 00:27:38.999
commanders and my chain of
command complies with the law.

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So on that professional
level, of course I gotta care

00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:46.440
because that's my job,
but on a personal level,

00:27:46.600 --> 00:27:49.000
I mean I'm a human
being, I don't get joy

00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.999
out of seeing other
human beings suffer.

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The more I looked into
it, the more I realized

00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.999
it doesn't matter what you
advise your commanders.

00:27:59.080 --> 00:28:02.240
Those concerns aren't
gonna leave the island.

00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.560
It's not gonna go up the chain.

00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.960
So my role to advise commanders
on the proper way forward's

00:28:07.999 --> 00:28:10.120
basically futile, it's
not gonna get it anywhere.

00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:15.480
That was the moment
that I decided okay

00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.360
there was something I had to do.

00:28:19.999 --> 00:28:21.920
There's just no way I'm
gonna be able to do it

00:28:21.999 --> 00:28:23.280
through proper channels
was my thought process.

00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:27.680
I had to do it surreptitiously.

00:28:31.999 --> 00:28:36.999
(speaks foreign language)

00:28:55.280 --> 00:29:00.200
(speaks foreign language)

00:29:03.999 --> 00:29:08.999
(speaks foreign language)

00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:37.400
(speaks foreign language)

00:29:55.320 --> 00:30:00.320
(speaks foreign language)

00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:41.680
- [Man Voiceover] In a
blow to the US government

00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:43.240
the Supreme Court ruled
today that the prisoners

00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.760
at Guantanamo have the
right to legally challenge

00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.040
their detention in US courts.

00:30:50.560 --> 00:30:51.999
- What we want is an immediate
cessation of conditions

00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.080
that are cruel,
inhumane, or degrading

00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.975
or that constitute torture.

00:30:57.999 --> 00:30:59.960
- [Man Voiceover]
Barbara Olshansky, a
human rights lawyer,

00:30:59.999 --> 00:31:01.975
involved in obtaining
the landmark ruling,

00:31:01.999 --> 00:31:04.200
is now demanding the release
of all detainee names

00:31:04.360 --> 00:31:06.999
so that they can have
their day in court.

00:31:07.080 --> 00:31:09.800
The government has so far
refused to release the names.

00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.975
- [Male Reporter] Do we
know how many we have?

00:31:12.999 --> 00:31:15.560
- Sure.

00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:16.999
- [Male Reporter]
Will you tell us?

00:31:17.080 --> 00:31:20.520
- Not today. While it seems
like a perfectly reasonable

00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.680
request that gee, why don't
you just give us all the names,

00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:26.999
it may not be.

00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:29.680
- [Barbara Olshansky] That
is what I ask of you today.

00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:32.280
- Barbara Olshansky. I never
heard of her or knew of her

00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.320
until Guantanamo.

00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:39.160
- [Barbara Olshansky] You
have the power to restore

00:31:39.320 --> 00:31:41.080
the moral under pinnings
of our democracy.

00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.999
You must use it, please.
That what I ask of you.

00:31:50.999 --> 00:31:55.999
- It was like a wake up
call, I mean it was like,

00:31:56.040 --> 00:31:58.040
I've been submerged in
the stone walling efforts

00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.400
of my government of my
colleagues there at Gitmo.

00:32:06.520 --> 00:32:08.600
And going along with
that stone walling and

00:32:08.760 --> 00:32:10.400
placing these
obstacles in the way

00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.680
of these attorneys who were
trying to get that information.

00:32:18.360 --> 00:32:19.840
Nearing the end of my
tour there, if something's

00:32:19.999 --> 00:32:22.400
gonna be done, it's gonna
have to be done by me,

00:32:22.560 --> 00:32:24.280
and it's gonna have a short
amount of time to do it in.

00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.975
Barbara Olshansky
wants the names,

00:32:27.999 --> 00:32:29.999
and that was where
I get the names.

00:32:32.999 --> 00:32:34.360
They inspect your bags,
they look at your things,

00:32:34.520 --> 00:32:36.040
and you have something
like that, they're gonna

00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.640
prosecute you and I
knew a list of names,

00:32:38.800 --> 00:32:40.999
they're not gonna let me
off the island with that.

00:32:41.120 --> 00:32:43.280
So figuring out a way, how am
I gonna get it off the island.

00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.600
That's when I would minimize
regular pieces of paper.

00:32:55.800 --> 00:32:57.160
I could shrink it enough
to where I could put it in

00:32:57.320 --> 00:32:59.680
a card and mail
it off the island.

00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.360
My thinking was when it went
through the postal system

00:33:04.520 --> 00:33:07.960
was that whoever's handling
that card would if it's

00:33:07.999 --> 00:33:11.960
a little bit thick would
thick that maybe it's photos

00:33:11.999 --> 00:33:14.320
or something inside of
it, which is not uncommon.

00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.999
And it just happened to
be since it was January

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:19.960
the next holiday coming
up was Valentine's Day,

00:33:19.999 --> 00:33:22.360
so when I went shopping at
the exchange for my card

00:33:22.520 --> 00:33:25.000
it ended up having to be a
droopy eyed Chihuahua dog.

00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.920
And I wasn't sure
I was gonna do it.

00:33:32.999 --> 00:33:34.320
There was just something
like stayed awake at night

00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.960
sometimes thinking should I go

00:33:36.999 --> 00:33:38.320
through with it, should I not?

00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.840
I'm putting my own
future on the line,

00:33:40.999 --> 00:33:43.360
plus my wife's
and my daughter's.

00:33:43.520 --> 00:33:46.000
The three individuals
compared to 550 plus.

00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:50.920
I'm gonna leave, they're
gonna be left behind

00:33:50.999 --> 00:33:54.880
and maybe never have
their day in court.

00:33:58.080 --> 00:34:02.999
And I retrieved the
list, put it in the card,

00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.960
walked out of the
office, drove down to the

00:34:06.999 --> 00:34:08.400
post office, and
dropped it in the box.

00:34:19.720 --> 00:34:24.720
I thought that was on
the right side of things

00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:26.999
and wasn't on the
wrong side anymore.

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.160
I didn't try to
track it in the news

00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:32.999
to see if anything came up.

00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.560
I just let it go
and was moving on.

00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.999
(loud subway car)

00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.999
- Lieutenant Commander Diaz
had no right to do what he did.

00:34:48.040 --> 00:34:52.000
When you're that low
on the totem pole,

00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:54.080
when you're at the bottom,
that you think you know best,

00:34:54.240 --> 00:34:58.040
sitting on Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

00:34:58.200 --> 00:35:01.400
Not at the White House,
at inter agency meetings

00:35:01.560 --> 00:35:03.640
with the State Department,
the Department of Justice,

00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.280
other cabinet officials such
as Department of Defense

00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.999
and other very senior
experienced lawyers,

00:35:09.080 --> 00:35:12.480
but you know best for
the entire government.

00:35:16.080 --> 00:35:18.160
(scoffs) There should
have been no confusion.

00:35:26.680 --> 00:35:31.680
(distant laughter)

00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:37.640
Woo, lit the fire.

00:35:39.040 --> 00:35:41.960
Well for dessert we
still have strawberries

00:35:41.999 --> 00:35:44.920
and shortcake, ice cream
cake from Mother's day.

00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:50.840
- I have a toast here for
retired Lieutenant Colonel

00:35:50.999 --> 00:35:53.640
Diane Beaver, a heck of a
good friend, a good daughter,

00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.880
and who served her
country with distinction.

00:35:57.999 --> 00:36:00.160
Thank you very much
for your service.

00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.640
- [Group] Thank you. Yay.

00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.000
(laughter)

00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:05.999
- [Diane] Alive
to tell about it.

00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.999
- Alive to tell about it.

00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:09.000
- [Woman] What did you do
while you were there though?

00:36:09.160 --> 00:36:10.880
- You have a number of
different things where

00:36:10.999 --> 00:36:13.240
the different services guys
and gals get into trouble.

00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.720
We actually had an Army
Lieutenant Colonel who

00:36:21.520 --> 00:36:22.880
married of course re-serviced
who I guess had been

00:36:22.999 --> 00:36:27.000
with some prostitutes and
had a certain disease,

00:36:27.160 --> 00:36:31.040
and the woman he had an affair
with on the island got it.

00:36:31.200 --> 00:36:35.080
(group groans)

00:36:35.240 --> 00:36:36.800
And so this guy explains
to his wife that he got it

00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.999
from detainees while
washing his hands. (laughs)

00:36:39.080 --> 00:36:42.800
So she calls us to find
out if that's possible.

00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.040
Who are you? (laughs)

00:36:46.200 --> 00:36:48.999
The wife of who?

00:36:49.120 --> 00:36:50.720
(laughter)

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.040
I mean in terms of medical
care they're getting a lot

00:36:53.200 --> 00:36:55.160
of preventative medical
care that they obviously

00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.280
would never receive in
their own countries.

00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.680
Flu shots, I mean in a
population where people live

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.999
close together you've got to
give all those sorts of things.

00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:05.040
All sorts of medical
care like that,

00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:06.800
colonoscopies, you name it.

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.080
Some Americans don't get
even that level of care.

00:37:09.240 --> 00:37:11.120
- [Woman] I was gonna
say the prisons here,

00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:12.400
we don't get that kind of care.

00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:13.975
- [Diane] Right.

00:37:13.999 --> 00:37:14.840
(laughs)

00:37:14.999 --> 00:37:16.920
I heard the connect (mumbles).

00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:21.720
Knock it off.

00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:23.440
- [Woman] They want attention.

00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:24.999
- Oh my gosh.

00:37:25.999 --> 00:37:27.400
- These last five years, she's
been on a roller coaster.

00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:29.960
When you're interrogating
people that are trying to

00:37:29.999 --> 00:37:34.040
destroy a way a life, that
had just crashed planes

00:37:34.200 --> 00:37:36.975
into buildings and they
start screaming at the top

00:37:36.999 --> 00:37:41.200
of their lungs, or reciting
verses from the Koran

00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:45.400
and you gag them,
is that torture?

00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:49.720
You now, well, that's a
very complicated question.

00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.640
And people ran from that.

00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:55.280
So she just did her job
because she loves her country.

00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:00.920
Whereas higher ups would know
that they don't want to be,

00:38:00.999 --> 00:38:03.680
that that could be used
against them later.

00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.640
And so that's exactly
what happened.

00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.760
As a result she was
left holding the bag.

00:38:13.040 --> 00:38:16.200
- [Woman Voiceover] For
months the US government

00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:17.999
was facing relentless criticism
over torture allegations

00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.040
at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

00:38:21.200 --> 00:38:24.080
They decided it was
time for damage control.

00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:28.080
In a carefully orchestrated
press conference

00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:30.640
they aimed to demonstrate
that there was no connection

00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.560
between the abuses at Abu
Ghraib and government policy

00:38:33.720 --> 00:38:37.760
and that the aggressive
techniques at Guantanamo

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.200
came from the bottom up
and not the White House.

00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.960
To prove their point, they
released a confidential memo,

00:38:43.999 --> 00:38:47.480
that carried a single signature.

00:38:50.080 --> 00:38:51.280
- Of course my memo
was right there.

00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.720
Clearly the intent was
to shift the blame.

00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.975
Well of course I thought
it was my duty and it

00:38:56.999 --> 00:38:58.640
didn't bother me at all
to put it in writing

00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:00.520
but then you see as it
went up the chain all these

00:39:00.680 --> 00:39:03.000
other senior lawyers never
put a thing in writing

00:39:03.160 --> 00:39:05.999
and so you think oh okay
I guess they were smart

00:39:06.040 --> 00:39:08.999
and I was stupid, but I
never thought about any sort

00:39:09.040 --> 00:39:11.000
of political ramifications
or, I mean all I thought

00:39:11.160 --> 00:39:13.999
about was supporting my
command, but that's what put

00:39:14.120 --> 00:39:16.760
me out in the press and in
the criticism and in books

00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.720
and every torture
book you can think of.

00:39:23.999 --> 00:39:25.880
It's horrible from
that standpoint,

00:39:25.999 --> 00:39:28.160
that I'm taking the heat
for the administration.

00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.600
- Colonel Beaver let
me start with you.

00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.040
Did you expect that your
opinion would not be the one

00:39:34.200 --> 00:39:36.040
that would be relied upon?

00:39:36.200 --> 00:39:37.800
- No sir in fact
one of the reasons--

00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:39.560
- [Mr. Levin] No sir (stammers)

00:39:39.720 --> 00:39:41.000
- Oh sorry.

00:39:41.160 --> 00:39:42.200
- My question was... (laughs)

00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.440
- I'm sorry.

00:39:44.600 --> 00:39:45.975
- Were you surprised that your
opinion became the opinion

00:39:45.999 --> 00:39:47.360
that was relied upon?
Did you expect shock?

00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:50.840
- I never received a phone
call, I never received

00:39:50.999 --> 00:39:53.200
an email, I never received
anything asking me

00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.840
anything like are you a lunatic,
what were you thinking or

00:39:56.999 --> 00:39:59.680
you know great opinion
or I received nothing.

00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.840
- You come across in this
as being eager to have

00:40:03.999 --> 00:40:08.560
these techniques used.

00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:10.120
- And it says under
category two, using detainee

00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:14.440
phobias such as fear of dogs.

00:40:14.600 --> 00:40:17.600
Now I'm trying to figure
out as a lawyer how removal

00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.440
of clothing and using fear
of dogs does not invision

00:40:20.600 --> 00:40:23.840
naked people, and by the
way the hood's in there too,

00:40:23.999 --> 00:40:26.999
naked people having
dog sicced on them.

00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:29.520
- That would have
never happened.

00:40:29.680 --> 00:40:31.080
I mean that's just
not professional,

00:40:31.240 --> 00:40:32.840
that indicates something--

00:40:32.999 --> 00:40:34.080
- [Woman Lawyer]
But it did happen.

00:40:34.240 --> 00:40:35.160
- It did not happen, ma'am.

00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.680
- Well dogs were used
with naked people.

00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.200
- Do you doubt that it happened?

00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.120
- If an investigator
found that it happened,

00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.120
I'm not disputing that,
I'm just saying I was

00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.360
not aware of it at the time.

00:40:45.520 --> 00:40:47.320
- Well so when you said
this didn't happen at

00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:48.999
Guantanamo Bay,
you're not right.

00:40:49.080 --> 00:40:52.080
- What I meant was I
didn't approve anything.

00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:57.320
I wrote a legal opinion,
so whatever the Commander

00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:59.440
approved, it would be applied
in a manner to prevent

00:40:59.600 --> 00:41:03.760
it from being used abusively.

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:05.960
- You felt you were
hung out a bit?

00:41:05.999 --> 00:41:09.640
- I understood at the
time I was hung out.

00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.999
- Lieutenant Colonel
Beaver, I understand,

00:41:13.080 --> 00:41:14.640
I think I understand better
than I've ever understood

00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.000
the role you played in
this and bottom line

00:41:17.160 --> 00:41:20.040
no one made you write
this memo, that was

00:41:20.200 --> 00:41:21.975
your own work product, correct?

00:41:21.999 --> 00:41:23.480
- It would not have been
appropriate for me to simply

00:41:23.640 --> 00:41:25.280
say no legal objection
or no comment and so--

00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.999
- [Man] But there
was no pressure

00:41:29.120 --> 00:41:29.999
for you to reach the conclusion.

00:41:30.080 --> 00:41:31.240
- No there was no
pressure, it was

00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:32.440
generated by me and my staff.

00:41:32.600 --> 00:41:34.800
- Thank you. Do you think
it's an accident that

00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.920
the techniques that
we're talking about in

00:41:36.999 --> 00:41:38.999
Guantanamo Bay wound
up migrating to Iraq?

00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:08.120
- [Diane On TV]
Detainees were not abused

00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:09.680
they were treated humanely
within the bounds of the law.

00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.360
That's why I believe
there was no violation

00:42:12.520 --> 00:42:14.760
of the law at Gitmo, despite
what others may believe.

00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.200
(mumbles) were beaten to
death in (mumbles) Afghanistan

00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.920
that happened in December.

00:42:22.999 --> 00:42:27.240
(bombs)

00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.080
(screaming)

00:42:29.240 --> 00:42:31.040
(huge explosion)

00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:46.520
- The first time in my
life I've seen Madrid,

00:42:46.680 --> 00:42:48.800
absolute silence.

00:42:50.120 --> 00:42:52.760
I was asked to take
part in this case,

00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.560
just hours after
the bomb attack.

00:42:54.720 --> 00:42:57.800
Our main goal was to get
justice for the victims

00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.975
and also to convict the
people who have done this.

00:43:01.999 --> 00:43:05.280
This was the most important
trial in Spain ever.

00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.975
These people were
without a doubt Al-Qaeda.

00:43:09.999 --> 00:43:12.880
(speaks foreign language)

00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:25.920
I was sitting in front
of them for five month,

00:43:25.999 --> 00:43:28.480
two meters away from them.

00:43:28.640 --> 00:43:30.600
And when I was cross
examining people I was making

00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.000
sure that they got the message.

00:43:35.680 --> 00:43:37.000
Which means 30 years, that's
the maximum time in prison

00:43:37.160 --> 00:43:40.400
in Spain, I will
get you 30 years.

00:43:43.200 --> 00:43:44.600
They called me the fat
little bastard of the corner.

00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.200
During that process is
when I really found out

00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.800
what was in Guantanamo going
on, before that I really

00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.760
I saw it on the news
and for me it was okay,

00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.480
they were bringing
people to a new jail.

00:44:00.640 --> 00:44:03.360
I wasn't very
concerned about that,

00:44:03.520 --> 00:44:05.520
until I really came
into the details

00:44:05.680 --> 00:44:08.560
and then I said hold on.

00:44:08.720 --> 00:44:10.720
These people that may be
related to Madrid bomb attack,

00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.999
we can't even cross
examine them because they

00:44:15.080 --> 00:44:16.999
have been tortured so
the Bush administration

00:44:17.080 --> 00:44:20.280
is destroying our cases,
because they took these

00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.320
people to Guantanamo.

00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:26.520
I start digging and that we
present the case to the court

00:44:26.680 --> 00:44:30.960
and they say oh yes this
is a criminal offense.

00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.240
- [Narrator] President
Obama was asked about the

00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:37.999
Spanish investigation and
accusations surrounding

00:44:38.120 --> 00:44:41.080
torture tactics that were
used at Guantanamo Bay.

00:44:41.240 --> 00:44:44.360
- I have not had direct
conversations with the

00:44:44.520 --> 00:44:46.120
Spanish government
about these issues.

00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:47.999
My team has been in
communications with them.

00:44:48.120 --> 00:44:50.200
- [Narrator] Developments
in Spain put the President

00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:51.999
in a very real bind.

00:44:52.040 --> 00:44:53.640
Gonzalo Boye, the
prosecutor on the case

00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.120
has Spanish law on his side.

00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.440
It allows him to seek arrest
warrants for US officials

00:44:58.600 --> 00:45:01.280
accused of violating
international law.

00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.600
Those indicted could face
arrest when traveling abroad.

00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:09.040
- We're going against
everybody who has been involved

00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:11.800
in Guantanamo from
the top to bottom,

00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.000
but this could have never
happened without the lawyers.

00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:21.800
In this criminal conspiracy,
they're a key factor.

00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:26.080
- My command did not conduct
interrogations independently.

00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:29.440
(speaks foreign language)

00:45:32.999 --> 00:45:37.560
(all speaking foreign language)

00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.320
- Diane Beaver was a tool,
when you don't need the tools

00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.720
anymore you just throw it down.

00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:03.920
And that's what they
have done with her.

00:46:03.999 --> 00:46:06.999
She should come here and
tell us what she knows.

00:46:07.120 --> 00:46:10.999
- Come on, Sampson.

00:46:11.040 --> 00:46:11.880
Sampson, Sampson.

00:46:11.999 --> 00:46:13.040
Sampson. Here we go.

00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.920
I heard about what
the Spanish are doing,

00:46:20.999 --> 00:46:24.120
but it doesn't
matter what you say,

00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:25.999
they believed torture occurred
at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

00:46:26.120 --> 00:46:28.560
Torture never occurred
at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba,

00:46:28.720 --> 00:46:31.160
whether it's any definition
of that particular term.

00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:37.000
My friends and family
here as well as anybody

00:46:37.160 --> 00:46:40.760
who knows me, knows that
I would never support

00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.640
torturing detainees or
doing anything illegal.

00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:48.999
All we did was try
to protect America

00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:51.040
and save American lives.

00:46:53.040 --> 00:46:54.240
It's just sad that there
are those who want to

00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:58.040
characterize our service as
something bad or wrong or evil.

00:47:03.200 --> 00:47:08.200
(distant helicopter)

00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:16.160
(speaks foreign language)

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:50.000
(speaks foreign language)

00:47:54.999 --> 00:47:59.920
(speaks foreign language)

00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.880
(speaks foreign language)

00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:10.920
(speaks foreign language)

00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:33.400
(speaks foreign language)

00:49:57.680 --> 00:50:02.680
(speaks foreign language)

00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:12.600
(speaks foreign language)

00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:56.480
(speaks foreign language)

00:52:09.999 --> 00:52:14.999
(television in foreign language)

00:52:47.160 --> 00:52:52.160
(speaks foreign language)

00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:11.960
(speaks foreign language)

00:53:35.200 --> 00:53:40.200
(speaks foreign language)

00:54:12.200 --> 00:54:17.200
(conversation in
foreign language)

00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:34.800
(train clatters)

00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:46.920
- A whole year later,
after I left Gitmo,

00:55:46.999 --> 00:55:50.200
my Commanding officer
was alerted there was an

00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.440
investigation and that
I was the focus of it.

00:55:53.600 --> 00:55:56.760
At that point I
knew okay this is

00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:00.920
the list that I sent, this
is relating to that list.

00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.160
When they interrogated
me, they preceded to take

00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.240
major case prints of my
fingers, my hands, my palms

00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:12.040
to compare it to the
documents that they

00:56:12.200 --> 00:56:14.440
retrieved from
Barbara Olshansky,

00:56:17.120 --> 00:56:19.560
and then they put me through a

00:56:19.720 --> 00:56:20.999
series of handwriting samples.

00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:24.640
So I had to do the
return address of Gitmo

00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:26.400
and writing Barbara
Olshansky 20 different times.

00:56:30.520 --> 00:56:31.975
I knew it this was gonna be a

00:56:31.999 --> 00:56:33.080
serious chain of events to come.

00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.240
If i got court marshaled
it's gonna impact me,

00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.120
I'd be prosecuted,
but it's gonna impact

00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:42.999
my wife, my daughter.

00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:45.960
(train clatters)

00:56:48.640 --> 00:56:50.440
- [Military Judge] What's
he trying to say here?

00:56:50.600 --> 00:56:52.480
Is he trying to say
he has a legal excuse,

00:56:52.640 --> 00:56:55.440
that it was silly to
classify this material?

00:56:55.600 --> 00:56:58.960
He could substitute his
judgement for the judgement

00:56:58.999 --> 00:57:02.440
of the relevant authorities
that he was just a poor

00:57:02.600 --> 00:57:05.760
shlameal who didn't know
anything about status

00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.520
in this information, but why?

00:57:10.999 --> 00:57:15.680
- The jury only heard
the government's version

00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:17.560
of events, we were denied,
the defense was denied

00:57:17.720 --> 00:57:20.600
presenting any evidence
that we wanted to present.

00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:23.760
I could not testify about
my true motivations,

00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.440
why I did what I did, because
the judge did not allow that.

00:57:30.640 --> 00:57:33.960
Jury came back with
confinement for six months.

00:57:33.999 --> 00:57:38.400
And I heard the dismissal
and it immediately clicked

00:57:38.560 --> 00:57:40.080
to me okay, that's
it, retirement's gone,

00:57:40.240 --> 00:57:41.999
this is a lifelong
thing, so no income.

00:57:45.080 --> 00:57:49.840
Immediately after I was
taken away and locked up

00:57:49.999 --> 00:57:51.999
and separated from my family.

00:57:52.080 --> 00:57:54.800
When we got to the
confinement facility

00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.080
that's where they came with
the waist band with the chains

00:57:57.240 --> 00:58:00.320
and they cuffed
my hands together.

00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:02.999
You had to stay awake from five
am til lights out at 10 pm.

00:58:03.080 --> 00:58:06.760
Trying to stay awake and
just staring straight ahead

00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.120
at the wall, I mean the
chipped paint and the primer

00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:13.200
of different color paint
beneath it start taking on

00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.920
characters and your mind
starts hallucinating

00:58:15.999 --> 00:58:18.640
and I think I start dreaming.

00:58:27.600 --> 00:58:32.600
I was stripped all the
way down, full nudity

00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.080
so that they can
inspect my body.

00:58:35.240 --> 00:58:37.680
They take their
sweet time about it.

00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.920
It's part of the
humiliating effect

00:58:40.999 --> 00:58:42.800
that they try to have on people.

00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.760
I wish they didn't
recreate the wheel when

00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.960
they created Guantanamo,
I mean and then use

00:58:47.999 --> 00:58:49.999
what they typically
use in prisons.

00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:09.360
- [Narrator] Barbara Olshansky
testified as a witness

00:59:09.520 --> 00:59:11.960
for the government against
Matt Diaz during his trial.

00:59:11.999 --> 00:59:16.240
After receiving his
list, she had turned

00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:18.720
it over to the
State authorities.

00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:22.400
Olshansky thought it was a hoax.

00:59:25.720 --> 00:59:30.720
(dishes clanking)

00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:44.800
(speaks foreign language)

01:00:00.160 --> 01:00:05.160
(conversation in
foreign language)

01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.760
(group speaking
foreign language)

01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:23.720
- It came to me, every time
I read one of this man,

01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.480
every time I read a
history of somebody,

01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:28.999
or when I'm cross examining
a victim of torture,

01:02:29.080 --> 01:02:31.999
I remember what
had happened to me.

01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:41.920
- [Reporter] The actions
being driven by a man

01:02:41.999 --> 01:02:43.400
named Gonzalo Boye, a radical
right lawyer in Madrid.

01:02:43.560 --> 01:02:46.800
Boye served almost eight
years in a Spanish prison

01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:48.999
for collaborating
with terrorists.

01:02:49.120 --> 01:02:51.000
This is a kangaroo court.

01:02:51.160 --> 01:02:52.920
Senior Boye
terrorist guy who's--

01:02:52.999 --> 01:02:55.200
- I was convicted, in my
opinion, wrongly convicted

01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.560
for a kidnap by a
terrorist group.

01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.080
And I spent seven years 11
month and three days in prison.

01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:12.200
In Spain at that time,
policemen used torture.

01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.440
I thought somebody was
cutting my back with a knife,

01:03:22.640 --> 01:03:24.640
and it was a stick
with electricity
that they were using.

01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:33.200
The sense of being
cut with a sharp knife

01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:36.360
I will remember
for my whole life.

01:03:39.160 --> 01:03:41.760
Because nobody who has
been tortured forget that.

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:45.000
Nobody, it's impossible,

01:03:45.160 --> 01:03:47.975
but what is possible
and what's necessary

01:03:47.999 --> 01:03:50.360
is that you pass the page.

01:03:52.560 --> 01:03:53.800
If you don't pass that
page, you're worthless,

01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.999
for the society, for your
family, and for yourself.

01:04:00.999 --> 01:04:04.880
(speaks foreign language)

01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:41.800
- Okie dokie, here we go.

01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:44.999
We go for dog
obedience school, huh?

01:04:47.999 --> 01:04:49.160
I feel frozen, but at
some point you do have

01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.920
to leave Guantanamo behind.

01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:56.760
What am I gonna do for
the rest of my life

01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:58.280
I'm too young to
just be retired,

01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.960
I knew if I owned my
own business I had to do

01:05:01.999 --> 01:05:04.600
something that I
would be good at.

01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.800
(dog whines)

01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:08.080
You are too far. Back.

01:05:09.999 --> 01:05:12.400
Dang it, Sampson.

01:05:12.560 --> 01:05:14.680
You know you're not
supposed to be this far up.

01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:16.999
Dog daycare businesses
came up and I thought

01:05:17.120 --> 01:05:21.240
well like many jobs in
the military I've had

01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.080
I think how hard can that be?

01:05:24.240 --> 01:05:26.999
Okay, dogs and they eat and
they poop and they sleep,

01:05:27.040 --> 01:05:29.760
and I'm thinking I
probably could do that.

01:05:33.160 --> 01:05:34.400
- Alright now I'll
show you grooming,

01:05:34.560 --> 01:05:35.960
it's definitely an option
that we recommend when

01:05:35.999 --> 01:05:37.760
you have them here because
when they go outside

01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:39.160
they can get pretty stinky
being out in the pools

01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:41.160
and stuff like that.

01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:42.080
- So it's just bathing her?

01:05:42.240 --> 01:05:43.480
- Yeah if you wanted
to get like a tidy,

01:05:43.640 --> 01:05:45.560
if that's appropriate for
your dog which you could

01:05:45.720 --> 01:05:47.560
you know, do an
outline for golden.

01:05:47.720 --> 01:05:50.760
Then they have the TVs that
you know we play animal planet

01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.920
so they can...
- Yeah of course.

01:05:53.999 --> 01:05:55.320
- Kind of feel like their
home and with other animals.

01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.680
- Watch the lions eat things.

01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:00.080
- You can like it.

01:06:03.720 --> 01:06:08.720
- Well, dog daycare
businesses, I had a standard

01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.480
operating procedure that
was approximately 400

01:06:12.640 --> 01:06:14.880
pages long that covered
everything you could thing of

01:06:14.999 --> 01:06:18.200
and I thought well this
is probably meant for me

01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:22.160
because this is something
I understand, an SOB,

01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:26.320
you know a structure.

01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:27.960
- I could also show you the
villas which are our luxury

01:06:27.999 --> 01:06:30.000
suites.
- Oh yes.

01:06:30.160 --> 01:06:31.240
- In case you wanted to upgrade.

01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:33.800
And there's only 10 of
these rooms so these guys

01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.000
fill up really quickly.

01:06:36.160 --> 01:06:37.520
(heavy traffic)

01:06:40.120 --> 01:06:44.240
(car horns)

01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:45.840
- When I got back from prison,
I was being stripped of all

01:06:45.999 --> 01:06:48.440
of my credentials that
qualify me to be a lawyer.

01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:53.999
So I was no longer allowed
to practice in any capacity.

01:06:57.600 --> 01:06:59.160
Add to that the conviction,
it's hard to find

01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.999
employers that will take you in.

01:07:04.640 --> 01:07:07.760
For my colleagues
I became somebody

01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.040
to no longer associate with.

01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.360
I was basically
personal non grata.

01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:22.320
The house has been foreclosed,
the car has been repossessed.

01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.480
- [Woman On Phone]
Yes Mr. Diaz this

01:07:25.640 --> 01:07:26.720
is JC at (mumbles) credit union.

01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:27.999
It's very important that
you give us a call back

01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:29.880
immediately today
regarding your account.

01:07:29.999 --> 01:07:32.200
- I'm getting
collection calls daily,

01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:36.160
and I'm doing the best I can,

01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:37.440
paying the bills that I can pay.

01:07:37.600 --> 01:07:38.680
It's keeping me
above water for now.

01:07:41.520 --> 01:07:44.280
I just wait, I mean I know
there's family out there.

01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.480
Worse comes to worst,
they have a room for me.

01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:52.880
That's what it'll come to.

01:07:54.999 --> 01:07:56.520
(phone rings)

01:07:58.999 --> 01:08:02.480
Hey, bug.

01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.200
- [Girl On Phone] Hi daddy.

01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:05.080
- What you doing?

01:08:05.240 --> 01:08:06.720
- [Girl On Phone] I don't
like being here by myself.

01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.999
- Why not?

01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:11.640
- [Girl On Phone] Because...

01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:12.560
- [Mr. Diaz] Because why?

01:08:12.720 --> 01:08:13.760
- [Girl On Phone]
Empty, everything echos.

01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:16.360
- What about the pets?

01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:18.280
- [Girl On Phone] I don't know
I called a shelter yesterday.

01:08:18.440 --> 01:08:22.200
- And what did they say?

01:08:22.360 --> 01:08:23.480
- [Girl On Phone] They
told me, they're not

01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:24.800
gonna do anything
but kill my dogs.

01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:27.000
- Ay-Yi-Yi.

01:08:27.999 --> 01:08:29.800
- [Announcer] Without a
wheelchair to gate number 26,

01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.720
please skycap without
a wheel chair.

01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:34.600
- If I didn't do what I did
to result in the conviction

01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.080
and the loss of income and
savings and all of that,

01:08:37.240 --> 01:08:39.640
Anna would probably be
attending college right now,

01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:44.975
with the prepaid college
tuition that I had

01:08:44.999 --> 01:08:46.975
saved up for her that
had been used not only to

01:08:46.999 --> 01:08:49.280
get through my case but to
get through the aftermath

01:08:49.440 --> 01:08:52.400
of that and continue living
for as long as I could.

01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:58.200
That had it's domino effect.

01:08:58.360 --> 01:09:00.840
My ex wife I got
behind in her mortgage,

01:09:00.999 --> 01:09:03.960
and things went
downhill for her to

01:09:03.999 --> 01:09:05.920
where they're losing
their house as well.

01:09:05.999 --> 01:09:08.760
Anna within a matter
of months from now

01:09:08.920 --> 01:09:11.200
could also herself be homeless.

01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.560
- [Girl] It's been so long.

01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:32.000
- This is the actual complaint,

01:09:32.160 --> 01:09:33.999
basically showing that the
mortgage hasn't been paid,

01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:36.280
so they're trying to
recover the property.

01:09:36.440 --> 01:09:39.160
This is basically showing
if you wanted to get current

01:09:39.320 --> 01:09:41.680
what the bank would
want is $14,273.42.

01:09:47.360 --> 01:09:52.360
What about school?

01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:54.320
- I want to go but I
don't have the money.

01:09:54.480 --> 01:09:58.600
- Grants and loans, like
everybody else does,

01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:01.720
go in debt.

01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.160
- I don't want to put
myself in that situation.

01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:06.720
Even before, I was able
to call him on the phone

01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:10.120
and just hey dad I think
I need like 50 dollars

01:10:10.280 --> 01:10:12.400
for this or for that you know?

01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:14.880
Now I can't do that.
I'm more willing to send

01:10:14.999 --> 01:10:17.480
him money now than
him giving me money.

01:10:22.360 --> 01:10:27.360
He left on my
Facebook page one day

01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:29.240
that I'm still his
reason of living.

01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:35.280
He's really sweet, maybe
one day, down the line,

01:10:39.280 --> 01:10:40.960
I'll marry somebody like my dad.

01:10:40.999 --> 01:10:43.560
(door rattles loudly)

01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:47.520
People tried saying
that when he was down in

01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:49.520
Guantanamo, he can be
classified as a terrorist.

01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:53.120
The government
should hang my dad.

01:10:53.280 --> 01:10:55.480
- Prosecutor said he didn't
want me wearing it anymore,

01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:57.360
especially on
Memorial Day parades.

01:10:57.520 --> 01:11:00.160
Isn't Memorial Day
around the corner here?

01:11:00.320 --> 01:11:03.200
Should put it on and
go march in a parade,

01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:04.999
I'm still active duty.

01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:05.960
Yeah it still fits doesn't it?

01:11:05.999 --> 01:11:08.080
- [Anna] You don't have the hat?

01:11:08.240 --> 01:11:10.440
- There's definitely a sense
of shame in letting her down.

01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.640
That's the downside of
taking the actions I took

01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:16.680
for this, the downside
of being the raised I was

01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.280
and having the conscience I had.

01:11:19.440 --> 01:11:22.360
(door clatters loudly)

01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:31.720
(speaks foreign language)

01:11:54.200 --> 01:11:59.120
- [Murat] I would
like to go to Boye.

01:12:02.240 --> 01:12:06.480
Thank you much.

01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.280
(speaks foreign language)

01:12:20.999 --> 01:12:25.999
I don't touch woman
at hands before

01:12:26.120 --> 01:12:27.999
because of religious beliefs.

01:12:28.080 --> 01:12:29.440
(speaks foreign language)

01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:49.520
(conversation in
foreign language)

01:13:42.200 --> 01:13:47.200
- For instance here,
removal of clothing.

01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:51.920
(conversation in
foreign language)

01:14:01.999 --> 01:14:06.999
Diane Beaver, very
significant in

01:14:07.080 --> 01:14:09.240
what you have suffered
in these years.

01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:11.960
(speaks foreign language)

01:14:50.440 --> 01:14:55.440
- Let me just move to the
parts that I have the most

01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:57.280
problems with and that's
basically your, any sort

01:14:57.440 --> 01:15:01.240
of number crunching about
what you're expectations are.

01:15:01.400 --> 01:15:05.080
- You can tell you've done
the research and everything.

01:15:05.240 --> 01:15:07.760
The next big decision
is to take the plunge,

01:15:11.360 --> 01:15:12.520
because when you're
starting a new business,

01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.680
in the end it's
about risk, and so

01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:17.440
you have to leave
the baggage behind.

01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:19.120
- I just didn't want to make
any decision about my career.

01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:22.840
I don't even say fear, it just,

01:15:22.999 --> 01:15:25.800
maybe it's the fear of
making the wrong decision,

01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:29.640
without that sort of
structure to fall back on.

01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:36.400
- For someone who's
devoted her whole life to

01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:39.240
her country and has a
tremendous sense of pride,

01:15:39.400 --> 01:15:43.480
everything else
you know it just,

01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:46.040
as a family member,
it breaks your heart.

01:15:50.280 --> 01:15:55.280
So for us and for her, we want
her to be able to move on.

01:15:59.400 --> 01:16:03.200
- You know, it's
difficult to know when

01:16:06.480 --> 01:16:10.999
I don't know how
to explain this.

01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:24.120
These witch hunts that were
going on in the military,

01:16:24.280 --> 01:16:27.480
if a guy called you a dyke,
nothing was done to that person

01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:31.999
and there was no one you
could say anything to,

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and so that was very
difficult particularly if

01:16:34.999 --> 01:16:38.440
you're doing better
than the men.

01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.975
Obviously an easy way to
take a cheap shot at you

01:16:40.999 --> 01:16:43.960
is to question your
sexual orientation.

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:49.760
What are you gonna
wear a sign that

01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:50.999
says I'm straight,
I'm not a homosexual?

01:16:54.240 --> 01:16:55.600
I was very lonely in the
military because I was

01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:57.999
afraid of what people
might say about me.

01:16:58.120 --> 01:17:01.880
I let that control me for
too many years of my life.

01:17:05.999 --> 01:17:07.640
I've just never dated
a lot or perhaps

01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:12.440
being married was just not

01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.640
meant for me.

01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:19.280
So I can't explain that.

01:17:21.280 --> 01:17:23.080
I'm sure there's
many reasons but

01:17:23.240 --> 01:17:26.480
after a while you just you
can't let it bother you because

01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:33.960
God has a plan for
everyone and so I think,

01:17:33.999 --> 01:17:38.040
okay, maybe that day will
come for me but it hasn't come

01:17:38.200 --> 01:17:42.560
and so it bothers me
but it's just something

01:17:46.160 --> 01:17:48.640
I just can't explain.

01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:57.680
(speaks foreign language)

01:18:10.120 --> 01:18:15.120
(conversation in
foreign language)

01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:08.560
- There are many things to heal.

01:20:11.160 --> 01:20:12.640
(speaks foreign language)

01:20:36.999 --> 01:20:41.999
(accordion plays)

01:20:48.160 --> 01:20:53.160
(crowd cheers)

01:21:05.160 --> 01:21:10.160
(bull snorts)

01:21:13.400 --> 01:21:18.400
(speaks foreign language)

01:22:24.999 --> 01:22:29.999
(speaks foreign language)

01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:41.840
- We have time, we will
get them all into prison,

01:22:41.999 --> 01:22:45.560
maybe next year,
maybe in 20 years.

01:22:48.480 --> 01:22:49.760
But we are ready to
spend the rest of our

01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:51.999
life in this court, no problem.

01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:56.040
I'm going to stay here
until I see justice.

01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:21.000
- I understand that I've
been placed in these

01:23:21.160 --> 01:23:24.360
situations for a reason,
maybe I don't understand why.

01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:27.999
Perhaps it's because
I have the ability

01:23:28.120 --> 01:23:30.440
to withstand what has happened.

01:23:32.999 --> 01:23:34.880
I'm glad I volunteered,
I'm glad I was assigned

01:23:34.999 --> 01:23:37.840
to Guantanamo, I'm sure
that was part of God's plan

01:23:37.999 --> 01:23:40.320
even if I don't
always understand it

01:23:40.480 --> 01:23:43.720
and I don't always
agree with the outcome,

01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:46.999
but that's what happened and
I just really have no regrets.

01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:07.920
- The reason I enjoyed
serving in the military,

01:24:07.999 --> 01:24:10.080
it's the only job I
knew, the only life

01:24:10.240 --> 01:24:11.640
I knew for my entire adult life.

01:24:14.240 --> 01:24:16.040
My childhood was living in
poverty and I made a decision

01:24:16.200 --> 01:24:20.320
to join the military
because otherwise I don't

01:24:20.480 --> 01:24:22.999
know what would
have become of me.

01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:44.720
I had a sense of pride.

01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:49.760
I did everything to
support the mission then.

01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:53.480
I did what they wanted me to do,

01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:55.160
all but that one
thing, that's the only

01:24:55.320 --> 01:24:57.240
thing that they dissapproved of.

01:25:04.400 --> 01:25:09.400
I'm not seeking any
sympathy for that,

01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:11.240
I put myself in that position,
but that is the reality,

01:25:11.400 --> 01:25:13.999
the consequence of
acting on your conscience

01:25:14.120 --> 01:25:16.720
can sometimes have
these types of results.

01:25:20.120 --> 01:25:23.999
(applause)

01:25:26.120 --> 01:25:27.999
(announcer speaks
foreign language)

01:25:36.480 --> 01:25:41.480
(foreign music)

01:25:52.240 --> 01:25:57.160
(speaks foreign language)

01:26:51.480 --> 01:26:56.400
(speaks foreign language)

01:27:27.360 --> 01:27:32.360
(soft dramatic music)