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Speaker: If you're a secretary, I'll be fucking [unintelligible 00:02:04] secretary and you'll be talking to me as an artist. My costume and your costume, I'd rather just talk to you as you. People just don't talk, I guess.

Speaker: How does he expect to obtain some kind of contact or real human contact?

Speaker: Oh, he's doing it now, can't you see?

Speaker: Hey, what happened to the painting?

Speaker: He says more. They didn't even look at my paintings, they look at him and wonder.

Speaker: Has he been given something to--

Speaker: No, no. Nothing at all.

Speaker: He's doing this purely--

Speaker: Sure, you can talk to him if you like.

Speaker: No drugs?

Speaker: None at all. You can sit down and talk to him if you like. It's really [unintelligible 00:02:48]

Speaker: But if he does this kind of thing, he needs something like this.

[foreign language]

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Speaker: During the summer, everyone was down here, and then all of a sudden when it hit winter and the Puerto Ricans started really getting bad, everyone split to Frisco and California and Florida and everything. My mother and I had these problems like we just didn't get along. It wasn't that I ran away it was like, we had this argument and she told me to get out. I left and she didn't think I would have the guts enough to stay out, so I did stay out and then I got busted and then I came back and I left again because she threw me out again.

[unintelligible 00:06:38] when you don't sleep for about four days and your body is completely dying, and plus I had worked that night. I was really dead and I had to have somebody carry me home because I couldn't walk hardly, and I dropped about eight tabs of meth, and your body is so dead and you're just lying there, and you can't move but your mind is flying in 20 different places, and it's such a groovy high, but you can really hurt yourself doing that, but I don't really care. I don't think I'll do it again but I like the speed a lot so I'm going to go back to speed.

They say speed kills and if I keep taking speed I could be dead in three years, but I don't care, really, it doesn't bother me. Once when I was riding on this bike, motorcycle, I had a very bad come down on it and it really messed up my mind and I got sick and everything. It was really bad, I had to stop but I'm going back on it. If you have any now, I'll take it.

Speaker: In the city, there's actually people who work here. It's incredible. We used to have hundreds of dollars that we didn't even know we had. We usually put it up with Charles the Fifth and every once in a while check to see how much it was after Charles the Fifth. Usually, the [unintelligible 00:08:12] had about $300 or $400 but we replaced it. We never knew how much we had, we took cabs everywhere, you spend hundreds on cabs when you have the money.

You never take anything but cabs, there's almost no difference between selling drugs and being a storekeeper like everybody else, and you sit up in your store and people come up, hundreds of people, you look at them through the door, through a hole. They tell you who they are, you either know them or they said they're a friend and you always are making decisions and asking a lot of questions like it's a speakeasy in the '20s and bullshit like this, and you end up letting everybody in. You live with it every day and you never think about it, and you never think that it can go on forever because if anybody asks, you always say no.

Eventually, you'll get busted, you've got to get busted. All these kids from New Haven come down in their parents' continentals and have to be home by 6 o'clock for dinner and one of these kids get busted, we know that he's going to talk, and this time, you know that it's really him, but you can't really just say, "You're a policeman." You just can't do it because you're in an underwater aquarium and everything starts to go in slow motion like certain things in style of film, and each step is heavy. I was becoming a kind of thing where if I was looking for an apartment, the kind of thing I would see is where does the fire escape lead? How else can you get out?

Is the toilet a slow-filling bowl? Because if you've got a slow-filling bowl and you dump half of it and you see it flush and it goes down and then half of it comes up, and if you have any money, if you've gotten out with any money at all, if you haven't spent it all on cabs or bullshit, all of it goes to pay your lawyer. All of it. The thing to do if you ever do it is to just buy. Buy things, buy things, and when you finally get busted, then you'll have a camera, you'll have a stereo, something like that. You end up with nothing, you live in poverty.

Joseph Fink: People often ask me how I treat hippies, that we've been so successful in maintaining peace and contentment in the community and we found that by maintaining dialogue, by keeping people talking, we were able to get them to understand each other and work out all their differences. The problems could be solved without violence, without hatred, without antagonisms and if we can continue to do this, I think we'll be very very happy and very lucky.

Speaker: Are we on the air?

Speaker: Yes, we're on the air.

Speaker: Oh yes, scene five, act four, take three. I mean, I always had the feeling that Che Guevara kidded around a lot too.

Speaker: Maybe the side of this what it needed is a little [unintelligible 00:11:36] boutique on the lower east side, very nicely done up. You know they've been doing nothing but selling dresses but we'd use the same style with very nice kind of decorations and things like that.

Speaker: You have a slogan, "Make love and war." Take a choice.

Speaker: What happened last summer is not going to happen again and on the lower east side it's going to be really impossible to build again these kinds of alternate structures. The way people tried to build them last summer and have this joyous influx of kids down there [unintelligible 00:12:11] smokings in the park. For one thing, the mood just isn't right in the kids, and another thing together is really just not going to stand for it. I mean, the leftover of the hostility from that summer is so enormous that people find themselves unable to do their joyous liberating thing in the streets.

Speaker: Over here.

Speaker: Take off your [unintelligible 00:12:34] I want to see your black eye.

Speaker: I used to live here. Dealt drugs here. It was not too long ago, long enough ago so when the other guy who lived here would try and describe a customer who neither of us knew to me and he wanted to set a certain time, he'd say, "I don't know, some little hippie." But in those days it was always a little hippie and nobody called themselves a hippie because it was an ugly word, an ugly concept means you aren't hip, you're a hippie. I mean, normally the conversation is that, these people, have you ever [unintelligible 00:14:00] or something boring.

The room, the room and you know, they're really articulate, "It's going through changes." Wow, that really tells you a lot. [unintelligible 00:14:11] going through changes, you get it all down. People now buy things, psychedelic tests, can you imagine anybody choosing a name like that? It's grotesque, just utterly grotesque. It went on until October, the night that we had a visitor. It was someone knocking on the door and I look out and it's the police, so after taking 15 minutes to knock down the door, they expect you to, at the end of 15 minutes to still be standing there and they take you in, they don't bother to put handcuffs on you or anything.

They figure he's not running or anything. There's much contempt for us as we do have for them but nobody comes. They're just-- I just go down the fire escape, there was nobody following and I hit the street, run down the street, find a cab, get in it and find out in an hour that Jimmy got busted. Not that I know what went on when I left the place.

Speaker: Then Joe ran to the window so I went and followed, I went behind him, so I started to go out the window but then I turned around and I saw that Missy was still sitting in the chair. I figured I'd go grab her and take her out with me but as soon as I got to her, the door started cracking and the two bars were bending and the whole door flew down against the refrigerator. Then the cops came in and pointed all these guns at me and they told me, "If you move, we're going to blow your head off." So I said, "Don't worry, I'm not going to move."

I sat down in the chair and they started looking around, the cop told me to get up, so I get up and the cop started searching me and found two packs of cigarettes, some change, they didn't find nothing on me so they said, "All right, Joe. Sit down." and I said, "My name ain't Joe." So they said, "Come on, Joe. Sit down," so I sat down and I said, "My name ain't Joe, my name is Jimmy." I said, "Joe went out the window, I don't know anything about it. I just came in here, I don't know nobody here."

I sat down, they kept searching around, some of them went outside, they came back, they put the handcuffs on me and they took me and Missy to the police station, took her down there. They had said that all the stuff that was here was mine, they put all the blame on me. I was going to court then the time I got sentenced so they gave me four months so I went to Ryker's Island. I stayed there for four months. The cops treated me bad there, they beat me and everything, so finally, I came back, I came over here and I see that the place is looking a little better.

Speaker: It's like nothing comes at him, it's a delusion. Get ready for it, you know?

Speaker: Much like the surface on the screen is also a delusion.

Speaker: Commit to you holding-- Okay, go.

Speaker: You're operating--

Speaker: Speak at the camera.

Speaker: They're seeing us, but meanwhile, we were very far away and so was [unintelligible 00:17:55] we looked at those newspapers and we see death flashing at us, likewise, on the commercial movie screens. What is this? This preoccupation? This wave that has beaten us, that beamed at us and consists of shadows. The substance of film being absent, excuse me.

Speaker: Scare you at all?

Speaker: No, growing old doesn't bother me, because I don't think anyone can really grow up too fast. If they can go to a beach and build a sandcastle or go to the playground and swing on the swings and I'm not really that old but I still love to do these things so I do them and I can see myself 80 years old and going to the beach and building a sandcastle if I feel like it. I will always remain as much of a child as possible in some ways.

Speaker: Why do you want to do that?

Speaker: Because it's fun being a child. You can learn a lot from children. Children are-- They're not prejudiced or they're not so complicated as grownups. They haven't learned what they're supposed to like and dislike. Colored people aren't as good as white people, which is how I had always felt, because of parents. They hadn't really said it, but even teachers and people around me and they just don't know about these things and they're great. They want something, they just come to you and say, "Hey, I'd like a glass of milk." They say what they want, which people should do.

One day, it was a Sunday and it was really warm out and I was tripping and I went down to St. Mark's and I went into [unintelligible 00:20:45] to look at the furs. I saw this coat that I really fell in love with. It was white and it was some kind of cat fur and had all round speckles on the back of it and I just had to have it. This crazy guy comes around the corner and he has a trench coat and a spy hat and sunglasses on. He's all bundled up, and he's walking down the street.

We asked him, and at first, he acted like a dirty old man. He showed us $200 bills, and he says, "You should come over to my place and I'll get you a coat." I said, "No, really, all I want is the coat because I'm cold and it's so beautiful. I just have to have it." He said, "Oh." [laughs] He took me there and he bought it for me. Then he took me over to the West Side and bought me [unintelligible 00:21:44] and apple juice and things that I hadn't had for a while. It was nice and nothing bad has happened to me really.

Speaker: What happens to you if the police catch you?

Speaker: If the police catch me, then they'll probably take me home and they'll bring me to court again because I broke probation when I left out for running away in the summer. They'll probably put me in a home for wayward girls because that's what I was charged with, being a wayward child.

Speaker: I'd like to ask Mr. Hoffman, Abby Hoffman to come up here and tell us something about the philosophy or the reasons or whatever it is that create this [inaudible 00:22:39] Abby.

Abby: Well, what's the topic?

Speaker: I have been told that you have a master's degree, that you're not some person who is-- And what is it?

Abby: Psychology.

Speaker: Is psychology. We have a person who is perfectly capable, I think on a very high-level authority.

Abby: I'll tell you about four years ago, I took that degree off the wall and wrapped it in some money and sent it to Mississippi. It's the last I've seen of it. It's really quite unimportant. I think the topic was called runaways the politics of alienation. I have to say right off, I just talked to a girl 14 years old. Was doing some interviews just to get an idea of what was going on in East Village, because nobody knows what's going on in the East Village. She left home six months ago.

She's on at least 10 different drugs. She was caught once and brought back to her parents and she ran away again two days later. I said, "Well, aren't you scared they're going to catch you again." She says, "No, I don't think my mother will come after me anymore because she knows this time I'm going to the house of correction if I get caught." I said, "Well, what are you going to do? You're going to stay?" She says, "I'm here forever." More and more these kids are pouring into the East Village and into Haight-Ashbury.

They're pouring out of American society. I think it's going to continue because no matter how many murders there are, or how many media presentations of like, it's tough down in the East Village or the Haight-Ashbury area, these kids are going to keep coming because the reason which they leave middle-class American white society is not changing in America. It's getting worse. It's more and more alien to what they want to do, to what they're about.

There's one of the movies that's playing on Times Square says, what we have here is a failure to communicate and I see that gap is widening. Runaways are political refugees, the civil war it's as if they're escaped slaves from the south and we have an underground railroad, and we're going to hide them. I think a lot of parents are runaways. I don't think the kids are runaways, I side with the kids all the time. 14-year-old kid leaves home. There's a reason for it, a lot of reasons and there's a lot of bad things going on in their home. Harboring fugitives from justice, harboring escaped slaves is illegal, but that's what we're going to do. They grow their hair long, or they cut it. They change their clothes and they vanish into America, into what we call free America. It's a different kind of America. Because what we're building is what we call an alternative society complete with alternative fantasies, alternative styles of living alternative stimulants, alternative forms of relating to people.

I think what we're doing is a revolution, but it's a revolution in styles of living and it's a threat to middle-class American society. What are you going to do about it? Your kids, I don't know. It's tough, it's going to be tough. Next few years in America are going to be tough for people who want to live a very structured ordered life. That society's involved in napalming people. That society's involved in parents that can't talk to their kids at all. That are living out their lives in terms of their neighbors, their organizations, their businesses, their jobs.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but that's what we're doing. A long hair is the commitment. Can't grow long hair overnight. It's not a weekend thing, it's a commitment. Last two times I took LSD, I functioned exactly as I wanted to because I consider myself a revolutionist. I know that that's a tough word, all words are tough. Dash is a revolution in soap detergents, join the Dodge rebellion, a radically new automobile design.

Those words, revolution, radical, dash, peace, democracy, responsibility, commitment, and love. Oh, what should it be committed to? During the Detroit riots, suburban housewives were calling up the TV station and they were asking them if their neighborhood was in flames. That's the state that you exist in. You want to know if your neighborhood's in flames, you got to call a TV station. If I was at the TV station, I answered the calls. I would've said, "You bet your life. Sure, it's in flames, your neighborhood's burning down." [music]

Speaker: Well, you've been on that thing now for two weeks, you think you'll be ready by the end of next week? Thursday? All right, Friday then in the afternoon. Yes, over here. Fine. Okay, fine, I'll see you then. Bye-bye. Hello, Ann? Well, good morning, Ann. How was your weekend? Sounds like you haven't recovered yet. Right, is that guy still out there to see me? [unintelligible 00:33:00] Send him in, will you? All right.

Speaker: How do you do? I have some stuff that I think will be of interest to you.

Speaker: All right. Let's see.

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Very strange stuff. How long have you been in New York?

Speaker: Since '84.

Speaker: How long have you been doing this?

Speaker: About a year.

Speaker: You look familiar, have I seen you before? Have you been up here before?

Speaker: I don't believe so.

Speaker: Have you?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Well, I mean, you've seen the magazine, it's a pretty revolutionary magazine. A lot of what's happening, what the kids are into. It's nice. I like what you're saying, these are nice things, but nobody's seen this stuff for 30 years. It won't talk to the audience that we have because they don't know how to read it. They're not familiar with the techniques that you- most of your drawings here seem to be going up in flames. They're hot, it's apocalyptic, your art, and it's very revolutionary, but it's negative. It's like, black art. It's not life-affirming, but you can draw well and I'd like to see you do some of the pop art that we produce.

Speaker: More positive?

Speaker: Yes, a little more positive than what you've got here. There really isn't an audience for that now.

Speaker: Well, how shall I say? This is where I am hanging out. It's nothing, but I think it expresses some very important negative forces that are at work. One can only make a positive effort when one has something to work with. When one is on the inside, out here, as it were, one can only be critical of where things are failing. Everyone is alive and everyone is going to die.

Speaker: It's true enough, but nobody wants to believe it, right?

Speaker: What you're telling me is I have to change more than my style, if I have to change the subject matter. The way of looking at things as well.

Speaker: I'd like to tell you that there maybe even a chance I can use it, but I don't see it. I don't see how.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: I'd like to talk to you, because I'm interested in the work. I think that you're talented. The problem is just this particular one, the magazine, where it's at now--

Speaker: Okay. I don't want to lean on you or anything. Fine.

Speaker: But I have a few people, people I know in the industry who may have a spot for you. On your way out, just stop by the secretary, and she'll give you some names and addresses, and you look into it, all right? Okay.

Speaker: Okay, but what about turned on long-haired youth, flash your magazine images, pictorial pro-feed, well? Bright psychedelic does not live well, no roots, flower of urban anxiety, bearskin coats of 19th-century military uniforms, easy identity. Spirit surfaces from time to time, some clear perception. All according to local custom that is packaged and ready for sale. Men who run the peaceful offices where reality is contrived for image-hungry millions, know that you identify with the image, erotic sub straight out of the cigarette commercials. Nation devoted to con on every level, let me tell you. This thing operates over and depends on something that is not there, cannot continue much longer.

Speaker: [unintelligible 00:37:40] products of increasingly productive apparatus, to keep the body registering everything okay, keep the mind half-paralyzed to the real action, that is, how all this is moving.

Speaker: We call upon the powers of mystery to breed the pinnacle of power. To exercise the machine of death.

Speaker: Exercise, exercise, exercise.

Speaker: And defile--

Speaker: Exercise, exercise.

Speaker: We exercise ourselves.

Speaker: Exercise.

Speaker: Exert the powers within you. Free the power of the [unintelligible 00:38:37].

Speaker: Victory.

Speaker: Free the power.

Speaker: The thing is that we really want-- We're doing this for the media, whether you dig it or not. What?

Speaker: What about the [crosstalk].

Speaker: Do the opposite, say that if we stop the [unintelligible 00:39:23] that the hippies are going to celebrate the end of the war on [crosstalk].

Speaker: That's why. It sounds like the media have got their media guy for Abby Hoffman events down there and that's getting like [unintelligible 00:39:29] middle page in the post, here comes the media guy, here comes the media guy for Abby. That's that media shit, man.

Speaker: Well, who said it's going to be a hippie?

Speaker: Well, because it's [crosstalk]

Speaker: Sounds like it's not going to be a hippie, it's going to be a theatre piece, it's not hippie theater piece, it's a theater piece and it's ludicrous to make this hippie in any way. It'll attract the hippies--

Speaker: It'll be a hippie thing if the media chooses to make it

Speaker: We had a lot of [unintelligible 00:39:59] Abby we could make it a different thing. We could really contribute to that.

Speaker: People ain't having a good time at these things. People towards the end of the summer down here weren't having a good time. People ain't having a good time down at [unintelligible 00:40:08]

Speaker: They had a good time at the Pentagon.

Speaker: Yes, but not because of stuff that was going down at the exorcism.

Speaker: What do you mean? They were having a good time because it was the freedom. They do whatever they wanted to do.

Speaker: It's the same thing of just [unintelligible 00:40:21] saying. The Pentagon is part of it. As your whole thing, which is cool. It's the same level.

Speaker: The Pentagon rose as much as there were 10,000 civil disobedience people that sat in a car or any other thing happened and it happened.

Speaker: Yes, it rose because of that.

Speaker: Because of what?

Speaker: Because a few of them went and sat in the corners and [crosstalk].

Speaker: They didn't, man. They didn't. You saw the fuckin' people sitting in the car and I said the Pentagon rising. They weren't sitting in any cars.

Speaker: What happens if people went and [inaudible 00:40:56]. What happens was good there, whatever liberating, they were breaking through the police lines and going and standing and confronting the cops, and not the fantasy things down at the [unintelligible 00:41:07] because that was too obviously fantasy constrained within the reality. It wasn't fantasy breaking out.

Speaker: The idea of this topic is to alienate everybody equally.

Speaker: You'll end up looking stressed.

Speaker: Nobody's tried. Look, you can't call those people and say, "Come on down to White Hall," throw a bucket can of paint and kick some general's ass and say, "Come on, the war is over, we're having a celebration, there's going to be a lot of girls and beer and everything." Maybe they'll come.

[crowd chatter]

Speaker: Time's square, Time's square.

[crowd cheering]

Speaker: Time's square.

[crowd chatter]

Speaker: All right. Let's cut the bullshit out now--

Speaker: What's going on?

Speaker: What do you think about guns?

Speaker: They suck. If you had one, it could be useful, as a demonstration, because I could shoot you. Okay, it's a media gun. Now, I'm going to shoot you with about 2 hours of WNCA programming.

Speaker: Oh God, stop. Ah, brainwashed.

Speaker: Now, you've got 2 hours of WNCA programming--

Speaker: You could just watch TV.

Speaker: You can just watch TV because that's what [unintelligible 00:43:34] telling you to do.

Speaker: They can edit, they can cut, they can transform, they can make criticism about it, they can trap it into a linear thing, but still, they've got you there. Performing, as a person and people see, "Hey, what's that?" They see that. They don't respond in terms of words, the words are bullshit. You're allowed to get into nonverbal communication.

Speaker: That's the most powerful gun in the whole world. We're dealing with really making people free, and we know the way that a person knows he's free is when he's having fun. You just get into him and say, "Groovy man, I'm doing my thing, I got my body, I want to be a football player, I want to be a basketball player, I want to fuck." America is serving is a good aphrodisiac, right? I get everybody fucking, and you're not going to fuck all the time, you're going to fuck when--

Speaker: Well, [unintelligible 00:44:21] if you can.

Speaker: Yes, okay, maybe a year and then you'd go out and buy some [unintelligible 00:44:27].

Speaker: What you're saying-- This presentation of fun, this presentation of love is not entirely where my head is.

Speaker: The way that I got out of the anti-war movement was turning onto grass, because the conflict developed which said I'm stoned out of my head, I'm having a good time and I started feeling guilty because I couldn't handle politics when I was stoned. Because all of that disgusting brutal bullshit wasn't getting my high. I went through a lot of guilt trips and I started taking acid and I got guilty and I said, "Tell those goes studying in the east for all those years, and here I am getting high playing with the same ideas. Maybe that's a cutback, and I'm an American, and there's a war going on, and I'm not doing anything about it." I was ripped in the middle.

Speaker: But you see, I was mentioning that the movement was entered a disruption stage. I see it as just a beginning, I don't know how long it'll last. Maybe a year, maybe a year and a half. I don't know how long it'll last for me personally, see? When I talk about the movement, I talk about myself.

Speaker: Sure.

Speaker: The problem I face and this comes with a certain kind of pessimism that I'm feeling lately, not about the movement, but about my role in it. I found that doing what I want to do in the past month has gotten me in jail four times, and gotten me beaten twice. I can see the glimpse over the horizon, and it's sabotage. It's not disruption, it's not done in terms of theatrical effect using mass audiences and media and masking, it's still using those. It's using media, blowing up the Washington Bridge. It's like media manipulation. I can see myself over the horizon engaging in those kinds of activities.

Not like in the way that a guy, he'll grab the mic at SDSA and say, "Everybody ought to buy a gun." I know the fucking kid's bullshit because I talk to him later, and he's waiting to finish school and get his degree, and then he'll wait a year until he gets that and then he's going to grab a gun. Well, that's bullshit. I know about myself that I'm not a hypocrite and that freaks me, man. I get very freaked by that.

Speaker: Well, you also know that this point, whatever you do is going to be groovy.

Speaker: But I have not been able to define whether shooting a cop is not an act of love. I think it is for a lot of people.

Speaker: If you can make it an act of love, do it.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Because all those troops got to take place. We know that--

Speaker: What I see though is me in three years, making that an act of love and that gets spooky. Because they've got more fucking guns then-- This is a toy gun, I don't even know how to fucking shoot a gun. I handle a gun, and it bounces around like a hot potato.

Speaker: Well, you keep doing what you're doing and you'll have to learn. If you want to throw blood at Dean [unintelligible 00:47:19] then you better know how to use a gun.

Speaker: I'm not going to now prepare for a future row, I'm [crosstalk].

Speaker: It's just an idea.

Speaker: But I'm now figuring out groovier ways to throw blood at [unintelligible 00:47:30] and I'm disruption. I'm at the phase of disruption, I'm not into sabotage. I'm not learning how to use a gun. It might not be interesting, this is the one element of hope that I feel.

[music]

[pause 00:47:47]

Speaker: When we use the word revolution, I don't know exactly what it means. It means a bunch of bearded hippies going into the Catskills, getting guns. I suppose if the time comes when it's them or us, I guess I'll be prepared to kill in the name of love. I find it hard to imagine myself buying a gun yet. When I was a kid, I couldn't even buy Trojans.

Speaker: Still, we have both Trojans and guns.

Speaker: It is different aspects going on at the same time. It's going in three directions, those who say, "We've got to get guns." The other extreme end of the spectrum who say, "Let's have another being." Other people, like the diggers, who have this free city concept to say, "When you talk about defending yourself against them, what are you talking about defending?" You have to have an alternative. You're not just defending your physical body, you're defending a lifestyle.

Speaker: This problem of consciousness mythmaking the society that the best myths are maybe often made by those people who have no desire whatsoever to make myths.

Speaker: What we did learn was that there are young people in this country who when faced with tear gas don't necessarily run away. They go get wet handkerchiefs and use them and go back. I actually get to college, and the audience's 98.4% hip because those are the ones who gravitate to come hear me talk, and that Pinkerton guards who come along with them. Then I fly back and look at the plane window and there are so many of them that I really wonder if we're not fooling ourselves.

Speaker: The thing about the band- I don't think it's good to look at any of those too closely. The closer you look, the more it has a tendency of something to evaporate.

Speaker: Yes. Somebody once said that there were some kids with a severe case of acne.

Speaker: See my theories of fun was last summer. I'm not sure. Last summer has been fun. This summer thing is not yet defined as somewhat--

Speaker: He was garbage. See, the whole thing that was schizophrenic because last summer, we were having sweepings. Everybody was getting up and getting the garbage off the streets to show what nice people we were, and show how anarchy can also be responsible. Now it's throwing garbage onto the streets. It's like running the same film backwards.

[Drum beating] [Crowd clamoring/chanting]

Speaker: It's moving up their own ways. [chanting]

Speaker: Kill. [chanting]

Speaker: They were an incredible tumor. They were unable to deal with this new form of protest and they called for their almost entire group of very higher-ups. Meanwhile, from the sidelines there was-- I can't go on with this.

Speaker: What happened next year?

Speaker: I can't remember.

Speaker: What happened? When did the revolution--

Speaker: That was so exciting.

Speaker: I blacked out. The next five years. I woke up and there was a new world.

Speaker: When was the revolution?

Speaker: Pop you missed it.

Speaker: I feel that I [unintelligible 00:54:13] playing important. [inaudible 00:54:17] There were others in other wheelchairs.

Speaker: Was the wheelchair revolution?

Speaker: Well, the revolution of the young and failed. They hadn't expected us. The last thing they counted on to getting rid of all them niggers and underclass.

Speaker: Well, you don't trust anybody under 60?

Speaker: That's right. Well, we form the fifth column.

Speaker: They'll let them know we're here.

Speaker: Leave your mark.

Speaker: What do you think? Coming to face and off of this culture is it going to be too much of this culture?

Speaker: [unintelligible 00:55:03]. It's going to be a revolution on multiple Euros.

Speaker: I tell you.

Speaker: Multiple Euros.

Speaker: It's going to be [unintelligible 00:55:15] crazy. It's so fucking [crosstalk].

Speaker: If it happens it's going to be like insane. Really going to be insane. The odds against it happening are immense.

Speaker: Says he crazily. [crosstalk]

Speaker: Says he crazily, right. [crosstalk] All those people sitting in the movie theater if this ever gets to a movie theater, and hearing us talking about revolution. We're going to think right, [unintelligible 00:55:48] blooming.

Speaker: They are going to believe. It still looks like your hippie Bohemians are not going to believe that we are talking about a revolution. That's the thing about Abby. Abby's has maintained his safety because you can still talk hippie talk but they really know what the hell is going on in his head.

Speaker: You think?

Speaker: I don't know. You thinking, what do you think? I don't know what to make of it. It's like we really say it's Weimar Germany 1920s energy all over the place. Where did it go?

Speaker: Yes. Energy all over the place.

Speaker: Where is it going to go? Is it going to go down? [crosstalk]

Speaker: Get out of my way. Fucking energy.

Speaker: Right. Look at it.

Speaker: Look at all of this energy around here. [crosstalk]

Speaker: Energy is just everywhere.

Speaker: Rich. Look at the poor. Get a shot of the poor.

Speaker: You get that, Rich, that energy down there?

Speaker: No seriously where is it going to go? May I ask a question? That's why we are making a film.

Speaker: In order to discover where the energy is going to go.

Speaker: No. To the extent as possible. To find out and we can participate in it. Where is it going to go? Is it going to blow up? I am serious.

Speaker: You are going to die.

Speaker: Die.

Speaker: You know where it's going to go? It is going to go into the streets in speeding up cars.

Speaker: Yes, and then?

Speaker: We are going to have the aesthetic experience of [unintelligible 00:57:23].

Speaker: That actually would be coolest thing to do now right there. I [inaudible 00:57:28] each change like--

Speaker: Bring up a car?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: The day was just complete--

Speaker: If I were you I would bring up a car. [crosstalk]. No you dig me up first.

Speaker: No. If you learn how to do it. Beating up cars is what's going to come to.

Speaker: How many cars and how many people are in the country? [crosstalk]

Speaker: How many did we outnumber the cops?

Speaker: The number has gone [unintelligible 00:57:52].

Speaker: Sure, man. [crosstalk].

Speaker: It's all the plans. I never had to talk revolution, talk like a polyethylene revolution? Maybe, I don't know. It's really weird.

Speaker: Revolution anyone toys.

Speaker: That's not going to happen.

Speaker: It's not going to happen. Well, you can make the real guns in this country.

Speaker: Sure you can.

Speaker: Oh, yes, sure you can? [crosstalk]

Speaker: 10 or 15 years for the great economic crisis, et cetera. Given the way the country is now, given the way this country is I suppose, it can survive. You're going to have a standard traditional revolution here. Crazy.

Speaker: That's right. Revolution man is crazy.

Speaker: Well, that's the question. It's the question or people like Abby, and God said it was not Thomas but [unintelligible 00:58:55] out in two years. That's the question.

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