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I heard stories

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that coyotes were around. I heard a few

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had happened before that
attack, but never fatal.

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There was evidence on the ground when I came on the
scene, as well. I’ve seen a set of keys, a flashlight,

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a pocket knife, glasses, gloves. And there
was struggle on the ground that I could see,

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that the grave has been moved, and
then, there was blood. And then,

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where Taylor Mitchell’s body
was, you could see the struggle.

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There another frightening story we’re
following tonight. A young Toronto woman,

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an up and coming musician, has been
killed in a rare coyote attack.

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Taylor Mitchell had been hiking alone.
She was on a popular trail

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in Cape Breton Highland National Park. The
19-year-old victim was attacked near the trailhead.

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She was badly mauled by at least two
coyotes and suffered serious blood loss.

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Mitchell was rushed to hospital in Cheticamp and
then airlifted to Halifax in critical condition,

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where she later died.

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At first, I did not believe it.

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When I got the details about what
happened, I remember thinking,

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\"Okay, this is very strange.\"
All the scientists agree

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coyotes don’t kill people,
but that one exception.

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So, trying to figure out what happened in
that case. Is it the coyote? Is it the human?

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I mean, there’s all kinds of theories that
you can actually test here that may actually

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explain a lot about coyote behavior. This doesn’t
happen. It’s not something that coyotes do,

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and for that reason, we have to understand the
motivations of those coyotes, why they did what they did

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at the time that they did it,
so it doesn’t happen again.

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[sil.]

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The doorbell rang, and then they came in
and they said, \"Do you know somebody named

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Taylor Mitchell? And my heart just sank,
and I said, \"Yeah, that’s my daughter.\"

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And they said, \"Well, there’s been an accident.\"
And, of course, I thought it was a car.

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We wanna sing a good song.

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I spoke to

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the doctor in Cheticamp, and umm…

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that’s when I learned it was quite serious.

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I was just praying to her. The whole time,
I was talking to her in my head, you know,

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\"You and I can deal with this. We’ve dealt
with everything else. We can deal with this.

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Just hang on!\" And all of a sudden,

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I just, my body started to relax. And
it started from the tip of my head,

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and just very slowly, my body relaxed in a
way that it’s never relaxed before or since,

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and I very clearly heard her in my ear say,

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\"I’m okay now, Mom.\"

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And I… I say my soul very
matter-of-factly said,

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\"She just died.\"

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Simon Gadbois is an animal behaviorist
with Dalhousie University.

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And sir, how do you explain
what happened here?

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I really can’t, because it’s so uncharacteristic,
unusual, for coyotes to do this.

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And I wouldn’t be surprised if it started as just
curiosity, and then, if the person panicked,

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then that tends to trigger. If you run away, for
instance, it tends to trigger the predatory response,

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and that may have been the
beginning of the end, basically.

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Nobody will ever know the truth.

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She’s not here today to say what happened.

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Maybe she didn’t know.

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She thought maybe she could feed them.

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Maybe they ate what food she had.

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They ate it and then they wanted more,

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and I believe maybe that’s
why they turned on her.

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[sil.]

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Maybe she was just walking along, and
these coyotes just attacked her.

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Who knows? Who knows?

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Maybe she had some type of cologne
on her, something, some smell,

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odor that she had, or something
she had with her, carrying,

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that drew them coyotes in.
Nobody will ever know.

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If nothing is done, it’s
gonna happen again.

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I haven’t lost any livestock
to coyotes for awhile.

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About 2 weeks ago, I walked
out and counted my sheep,

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and before I knew it, there were four gone.
So in the last couple of weeks,

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I’ve lost four sheep again.

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I’ve got a lot of calves

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that are in range so I want to crack
a rifle at them occasionally.

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And the coyotes soon learn that

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even though it looks like a really great place to
come and have a feast, that it’s not safe for them.

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It was

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the accepted notion that the coyotes
never tended to bother people at all.

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And now, after that happened,
one has to realize that,

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yeah, especially small kids, if
there’s an opportunity for coyotes

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to do something, and if they just happen to
be brave to that kind of an opportunity,

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then one should be careful, I think.

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But we can’t go through the woods! It’s a
parent’s worst nightmare to think about

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a coyote being out there
with your children.

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So everything’s different now.

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October 31st.

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It’s Halloween, 1994! 1994, yes.

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How’s that? Good. We were very, very close.

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You know, as she got older, it was just the
two of us, and we hung around together.

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We were best friends.

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[music]

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I was born beneath a smoky light

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couldn’t faze me

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if you tried I’ve got a broken father

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and a head full of ghosts

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Lost my mother to a paper war

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lost my mother to a paper war.

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She realized she could make a
living at writing her songs

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and singing them. It all came together,
and she did her CD, and yeah,

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the sky was the limit for her.
How old are you,

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if you don’t mind me asking? I’m 18. You’re 18 years old, and
you’re writing deep stuff like that? It’s just what I do!

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She was going on tour.

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And a lot of musicians, when they go on tour, they
just sort of go from venue to venue, and Taylor,

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instead, wanted to experience
the places she was gonna to,

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and she was bound and determined she was going on the
Cabot Trail. And she was writing songs along the way,

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because we found them in her songbook.

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I didn’t really want her going hiking
by herself, and she assured me that

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she would talk to people, you know, because
I was worried about moose and bear.

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Coyotes never entered the picture.
You know,

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I think a lot of people didn’t really
think about coyotes before this.

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As a professional working for
Nova Scotia Natural Resources,

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I’ve actually seen firsthand what coyotes
do, or what a pack of coyotes can do.

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Everything good?

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What’s that way over
there in the far field?

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I’ve been telling people for the
last 15-20 years that one day,

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someone’s gonna get themselves either killed
or badly mauled by a coyote, and to me,

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it was an inevitability. I’ve seen
what they can do to a deer. You know,

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they can take a 200-pound healthy
buck and make short work of him.

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And a 200 pound person is no more of
a challenge than a 200 pound deer.

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They’re extremely intelligent, smarter than any
dog you will ever encounter. Strength ratio,

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a 50—pound coyote is stronger than most 100 pound
dogs. They’re just an incredibly powerful animal.

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I’ve hit them with rounds that should floor
a moose and had those things still run off.

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I’ve had people complain that we’ve
used bigger calibres on them,

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and the concern was that we might be
putting too big a hole in the fur.

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Some of those folks don’t really understand it
down here. I’m not in the fur-gathering business.

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I’m in the coyote-killing business, because in my
personal opinion, the only good coyote is a dead coyote.

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The coyote is a new animal to Nova Scotia.

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We never had them here, not that I can
remember, or my father or grandparents

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ever told me they seen a coyote,
because one of my first coyotes

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I got, I think it was in 87. And
I had an old fellow up the road.

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He passed away a few years ago. He was 94 years
old. And I told him I had a coyote. He wanted me

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to take him over to see it. He had never
seen that in his life, never heard of it.

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[music]

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Ten to twelve years ago, you
walk into the woods down a trail

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in the spring of the year, there was squirrels
chirping, you’d see rabbits running in front of you,

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partridge drumming, birds singing. Most
of the woods you walk in today is dead,

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because the coyotes have
everything cleaned out.

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[sil.]

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As a trapper,

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all we’re trying to say is put the fear into these
animals to send… send them back into the woods,

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in other words, to show them who’s boss.

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[music]

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It’s done a long migration east,
basically, replacing the wolf

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in this geographical range.

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Most of the coyotes around here
have some wolf-gene contribution,

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but very low. And again, that’s
something that happened,

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you know, 30-40 years ago, way before
they got here. So, maybe what I’ll do,

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I’ll be at the bottom. Karina, if you want to
stay right on the side of the road with him,

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sure least kind of thing, and if… if he indicate
something, let me know. Coyotes are actually generalists.

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They are like rats, pigeons, humans.

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They adapt to any kind of environment. They adapt
quickly to changes in their environment, as well.

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So, yeah, they’re here to stay, basically,
and we’ll have to make it work.

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[sil.]

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Coyotes are an invasive species. People say, \"Oh, well, we’re
invading their territory.\" That’s such an incorrect statement.

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That just means you really don’t have the
knowledge about what you’re talking about.

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Can you see those targets from there, Can? Yes, sir. I
went to war with the coyotes back in the early 80s,

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when I was down in Cape Breton. And I was an avid
trapper since the time I’ve been 12 years old.

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I can remember going into a trap set one day,
and all I found left was the paw of a bobcat.

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What had happened is two coyotes had
come across him in the leg hold trap,

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and… and killed him and ate him. And I just went,
\"Okay, you are now public enemy number one to me,

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because now you’re taking my
livelihood on me.\" Take your time,

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and surprise yourself with that shot. Just
pretend it’s one of those coyotes you shot

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from a couple hundred yards, bud.
Get a good grip on that puppy.

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[sil.]

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That one was a bull’s eye on the green.

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I was basically a hunting-fishing fanatic.

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It was passed down from my grandfather, my
great-grandfather, my grand-uncles, and I realized

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that the number-one way for me to build memories
with my kids was to include them in all these things

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I was doing, and it gave me the chance to
spend quality time with them. I knew that

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when they grew older, they’d look back, and that would be some of
the best memories they had of things with their dad. That was sick!

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Where that one go? A coyote hunt
is something that’s very hard.

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You gotta be pretty skilled, because, like you know,
we can shoot them from over 300 yards away, but…

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You can kick some serious ass, C.
Mac Isaac. I can kick

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some serious ass, yeah.
That’s a good way to put it.

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The popular attitude amongst farmers

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and in the general public
is that the coyote

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is a much better animal when it’s dead.

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And that’s unfortunate.

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[sil.]

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The first time I ever saw
coyotes ever in my life

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was right out this here window right
here, in that far field over yonder.

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My mom and my dad were here in the kitchen.
My dad said,

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\"What are those things?\"
and shortly followed by,

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\"Get me my 308. Those things are big
enough, they could carry off a kid!\"

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[sil.]

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For me, I had a fondness for
wolves, like a lot of people do,

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So, to me, that was as close
as I could get to wolves

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in my backyard as I figured I was
ever gonna to get. So, to me,

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the notion of killing the
coyotes to my idealist,

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15 year old mind was the antithesis of
everything that was right in the world.

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[sil.]

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Look at it pass his chest! Do that again.
Look at it. See it go by? Oh, yeah, for sure.

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I’ll pull in slower. That’s be better.
I’ll pull in slower.

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That’ll be better. That’s awesome. Let’s see. Yeah,
it’s crazy. He’s looking right at us. Oh, yeah.

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You shot over top of him. Missed his chest.
It went right by his chest.

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One of the things we do is I own a production company, and
one of the things that the production company does is

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produce a series called Best of Bull Run.
And it’s a family owned businesses,

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and we’ve captured some things on film that
have been some pretty remarkable adventures

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we’ve been on the last couple of years.

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There’s probably, like, six of them.
Six? I think.

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Yeah.

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They’re all coming this way.

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One of the things I find the most exciting is when you
get half a dozen coyotes coming at you across a field,

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and we’ve been able to capture that. And
then you switch from being the hunter

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to being the hunted.

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Sit tight!

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Now I see him. Do you see him? Yeah.

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‘Cause I got him.

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Right on his shoulder.

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What always amazes me, when we go back and we review the
footage, is how much these things act and look like wolves

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versus coyotes. Now, they have a longer, pointier
face, but they’ve got a stockier frame body.

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They’re big. It’s not uncommon to get 50
pound coyotes out here in Eastern Canada.

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And, actually, in my capacity working at
Natural Resources as a wildlife technician,

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I weighed a coyote back in the late 80s, when they
first went to Cape Breton, and they decimated

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the sheep industry in Cape Breton. I actually weighed
a large male that, on official government scales,

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weighed 72 pounds. What seems
to be happening with the size

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and the aggressiveness and the packing instincts of
these coyotes is they’re taking on the best of coyotes

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and the best of wolves and becoming this
new Eastern Canadian super species.

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[music]

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You know, if you look at the history of the wolf in Europe or
even here in North America, we’re replacing all of this again.

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It’s the same kind of stuff, you know,
that’s developing. The 200 pound coyote

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in Cape Breton. There’s nothing
more ridiculous than that.

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[music]

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Most of the ones I see are still
around the expected 35 pounds.

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Maybe the largest one we’ve
seen may have been 45 pounds.

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But, you know, that’s human
imagination, and our perceptions

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are getting influenced by our fear.

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[music]

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[sil.]

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I’ve been an outdoorsman all my life.

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I’ve hunted and trapped all my life.
And you learn

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one heck of a pile by being in the woods.

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You learn things that by all
just and well educated people,

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I can tell them things that
they’ve never even heard of

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that I’ve seen in the woods.

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[sil.]

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When you’re getting them 60,
70 and up to 80 pounds,

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it’s not a coyote. They don’t
hunt like regular coyotes,

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where the regular coyotes usually
hunt one or two. These hunt in packs.

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They act like wolves.

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They travel like wolves. And it was tested.

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DNA was taken out of a
coyote from Nova Scotia,

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and they have the same DNA as the wolf from Northern Ontario,
they have the same DNA as the wolf from Northern Ontario.

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So they’re part wolf, and it be like a
hybrid type of coyote or a wolf, whatever.

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But whatever it is,
whatever you wanna call it,

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it’s dangerous. Weighed 74 pounds.

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Now, get an animal like that

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and a person walking in the
woods, if that comes from behind

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and attacks you, you don’t
have too much of a chance.

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Right now, in Nova Scotia,

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\"Living in Fear of Coyetes.\" I mean, it’s
pretty sad when you can’t go for a walk.

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The government considers a
bounty to stop the attacks.

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Good evening, everyone. The province said it wouldn’t
happen, but after three separate coyote attacks this week,

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a bounty is now back on the table. The
attacks happened all over the province

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on Digby Neck on Thursday, and yesterday
in Goldenville, Guysborough Country,

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and in South Maitland. It has Nova Scotians
nervous and politicians reconsidering

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how to handle a suddenly aggressive coyote population. I
don’t know whether I would go down the road of a bounty,

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but I’m actually thinking
I better investigate it,

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where, at one point in time, I would’ve
said, \"Look, we’re not going there.\"

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Hello, eagle, teach me to fly… The attacks
this week evoked memories of last October,

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when 19 year old Taylor Mitchell
was killed by two coyotes.

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It put a fear in everybody. People that used
to hike and walk, even on the main roads,

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everybody just quiet.

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Everyday, there’s people coming up
to me and asking, \"What can I do

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to be safer?\"

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The first thing you should do is not show fear, and I know that can
be difficult, but essentially stand your ground. And running away,

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for instance, would be a mistake.

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[music]

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A pretty justified fear,

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you know? Not much more than 100
years ago, it was only wolves that

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ran through Nova Scotia.

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People persecuted them. They
poisoned them, shot them,

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killed them every way they could,
and the wolf had to retreat.

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It’s kind of a

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really crazy twist of irony that when the
next dog comes back here to be a wild

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top predator in Nova Scotia, it’s
got a whole bunch of wolf genes.

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So now it’s like, \"Adapt

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and become a coywolf.\"

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Aim right at the top of his back,

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in about the center of him, and
then come down about 2 inches.

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I see him there now. There’s another one, Dad. Yeah,
you got him now? There’s two. Which one should I get?

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The big one on the right.

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Just take your time and breathe good.

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The big one is giving you the whole turn.

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You missed him, C. Mac Isaac. Where did
he go? He’s going across the field!

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[music]

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Good morning! What’s your question?
Yes, I was in the Bedford area,

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turning onto the Hammonds Plains Road one evening,
just at the foot of the Hammonds Plains Road.

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And it was just shortly after 11:00 at night,
when I spot a coyote crossing the street.

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And I wasn’t sure as to who
I could or should call.

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I’ll hang up while you give an answer.
If you have any coyote concerns,

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you’re supposed to contact your local Natural Resources office,
and they’ll put you in touch with either solutions to the problem

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or someone who can handle the problem.
Just seeing a coyote doing its own thing

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is not really a reason to call DNR, in my opinion.
I think you need to call only if you think

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there’s a problem, or that it’s
really too close to homes, whatever.

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But one of the main hypotheses that we’ve developed from
our work in Cape Breton is that if they lost their fear

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of humans fairly quickly within the last,
let’s say, 10, 15, 20 years, in principle,

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as quickly, you can reverse this. So we’re going to
try, we’re going to see, and we can talk in a few years

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and see if that worked or not. Simon
Gadbois, with Dalhousie University,

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is an animal behavior researcher.
Thank you, sir.

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[music] I mean, I spent
a lot of my childhood

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in the woods of Quebec 8 hours
in a row and 8 years old.

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My mother wouldn’t even know where I was. And I didn’t see
coyotes. Were they less dangerous back then than they are now?

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I don’t think so.

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We’re living a little bit with this coyote syndrome right now,
and basically what’s going on is that we’ve replaced the wolf

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with the coyote. \"The wolf
is an evil thing,\" etcetera,

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and I think now the coyote is
unfortunately getting that reputation,

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as well, and it’s the new wolf, basically.

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[music]

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We know that people feed the coyotes in
the Cape Breton Highlands National Park,

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and now they realize that the
human is the source of food

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and the means to food. It’s like your rat in the
Skinner box pressing the lever to get a pellet.

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That’s exactly what happens here. Actually,
change that. I’ll start in a minute.

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And what you need to do, basically,

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is break that association
that’s been created

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and that can be really, really hard.

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[music]

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[sil.]

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Did they sound to you like they were
coming from down the valley or on top?

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Down in the valley. Okay, that’s what I
thought too. Okay, look, I think we got it,

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so I’ll just move to your location, and
then you can move on after, yes? Okay.

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We are literally walking into this…

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this new culture now that we think that,
you know, if you go in the woods,

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it… it should be like, I think, having
a walk in the park, and it’s not,

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and it never was, there always a danger.

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[music]

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To me, there’s that constant, little rally

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that has to go on where humans can have
an opportunity to stand up and say,

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\"Coyotes, we are humans, and
you should not trespass ever.\"

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[sil.]

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We’re gonna have to adapt just
like this animal has adapted.

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That’s one

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of the first things I thought when
I heard about Taylor Mitchell.

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It’s strange, and it’s new

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and it’s… It’s very, very, very real.

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.999
[music]

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I think there’s still a part of me that’s
kind of like, \"Did this really happen?\"

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It’s really difficult

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to get to that point where you say, \"Yes, I do
need to move on and make a life for myself.\"

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I believe there was a message

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in what happened to her, and I
think that that message is that we

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have to relearn how to
coexist with wildlife.

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There should be a mutual respect
between animals and humans,

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and I know that Taylor
felt exactly the same way.

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She really had a love of… of… of wildlife.

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Instead of looking at them as
these bloodthirsty animals

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that are sneaky or whatever, I have to… to
figure out how I really feel deep down,

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and I have to work on that.

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I wanna see them as they really are,

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so I have to learn about
them, so that I can,

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I guess, in a sense, forgive, forgive them.

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And since we started in August, I have to say
that there’s not much evidence for me that

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there is a current real problem,

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or, you know, that it’s widespread, anyway.
Right. And unfortunately, the media

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uh… tend to feed on speculation. Umm… Yes.
And then, we got into what I call

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.999
this coyote syndrome, where, you
know, people would well, did,

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actually call, you know, if they…
they would see a coyote half…

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half a kilometer away. And well, they had
the media on the speed dial, and DNR

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and Parks Canada. And, you know, it’s… it’s… it’s
sad that we’re at the point where we want to

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change coyote behavior, when, actually, I think, really,
the solution is trying to change human behavior.

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The CBC’s Elizabeth Chiu

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is live in our newsroom tonight
with our top story. Elizabeth?

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Tom, three incidents in one week. DNR
is taking some serious action now.

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It’s called in the trapper to try to stop
these aggressive coyotes in their tracks.

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There is some evidence that leg-hold traps

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will cause behavioral change in the
animals left in the population

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that will make them more wary of people. And
in particular, I’m worried about children,

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and I’m putting people ahead
of coyotes in this regard.

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This neurobiologist studies coyote
behavior. He told the minister

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the bounty could actually boost their numbers. It’s science that says
it doesn’t work. In fact, science even suggests that it can get worse,

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because if you clear the
top of the food chain

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from important predators, then the preys are
on the increase. This means, basically, that

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uh… uh…there’s more food available for the
pups the next season, so the survival rate

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of the pups is higher. You know, the shame of it is I
keep hearing scientists say, \"Well, if you kill coyotes,

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they have larger litters.\" Well, to me,
that’s beyond any level of… of intelligence.

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There’s just no common sense to that
statement. Dead coyotes don’t have anything.

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[sil.]

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You know, I can never see this enough.
Wile E. Coyote.

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Let’s finish right here. Oh, yeah, this is
gonna be perfect. You know what’s nice?

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How cold it was. Look at this. It’s the
steam when you’re breathing. Okay, so Drew,

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find that footage where Candace shoots that
big one. All right. There’s the clip I want.

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These aren’t the 25 pounders that are out
west. This is more like an Eastern wolf.

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Yeah, this is an awesome clip right here.

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One less coyote in Nova Scotia,
a lot of happy sheep farmers.

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Man, you know my policy. Oh, yes!
I kill them all.

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The truth is I could go and shoot coyotes, and
shoot them and shoot them and shoot them,

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and every time one came into my field,
then I could get quite trigger-happy

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and keep a tally about how many coyotes I got
versus how many lambs and calves they’ve got.

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But in the end, I’d just be
doing it for time immemorial,

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I think.

00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.999
[music]

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When a coyote comes and
threatens the sheep flock,

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the llama will usually be the first one to notice it,
because they’re really observant, and the donkey will

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usually be the more aggressive one to chase
it out, kicking and biting all the way.

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So this is my attempt

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.999
to try to coexist with coyotes instead

00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.999
of just shoot them all.
Because of the bounty,

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people are not gonna go out there and
shoot every coyote that’s in the country.

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It’s just, it makes incentive, because
people won’t go in the woods hunting them,

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but if one of them comes
out in their backyard,

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the aggressive ones that are around houses, those are the
ones that could be taken out, which would be a great thing.

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I feel really badly that

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there was a call called and they
tried to use Taylor’s name.

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And I was very upset about that, because I knew
that Taylor would be devastated about that.

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If you want to do it, if you feel
that that’s what you have to do,

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but don’t use my daughter’s name.

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It breaks my heart that, you know, that
these people live in this beautiful,

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beautiful country, and they’re
scared to go out their back door.

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[music]

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I was in the woods, recently, at one point,
and I remember, and it was getting dark.

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And I remember at one one point,
I heard some noises behind me.

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And I have to tell you that for
the first time ever in my life

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as a scientist, I actually stopped
for a second, and I thought,

00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.999
\"Could this be a coyote or
coyotes?\" I feel almost ashamed

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of thinking that way, but, you know, the
reality is, when you hear a story like that,

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.999
it strikes the imagination.
Fear is this weird thing.

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It’s really difficult to beat.

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[sil.]

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Just when he was chewing on the snare!

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Gradually, he would’ve chewed his way out of it, because
this is cable, and this is the way he had it all

00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.999
tangled up. And that’s

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.999
what… that’s the name of the game.
We want to take some of these out,

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because there’s a house here maybe about,
what, uh… 100 yards of south from here.

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And in this direction, there’s two more houses,
which they were around. There’s a family up here

00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.999
that has children, 4 and 6 years old, and he told me
himself he was scared to let the children outside,

00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.999
because the coyotes were right outside around
the house. So this is what I’m here for,

00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.999
to take them out.

00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:28.000
[music]

00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:39.999
Yes, sir. And one!

00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.999
[sil.]

00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.999
And two. Number two.

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So, how you faring out? Uh… I got one done.
I’m working on my second one now.

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Oh, well, that’s great. Yeah.
That’s all right.

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A lot of people don’t realize
what they are, so this is it.

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:09.999
We have to try to get everybody
to understand what this is about.

00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.999
There’s too many. We can
take the population down

00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.999
to a right level, like any other animal.

00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.999
We’re not gonna have no
problems for coyotes.

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I’m glad I got a few young people
with me, helping me out to do this.

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There he is. His nose is right over.
Okay, good.

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.999
I know there’s a lot of people who just can’t
take it, because especially the coyotes,

00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.999
they sure don’t smell good, but
we need somebody to do it.

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:53.000
[music]

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If you live in

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.999
rural Nova Scotia (inaudible)
it is incumbent on you

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.999
to get a firearm and learn how to use it, and you’re the
ultimate person who can protect yourself from a coyote.

00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.999
And the bottom line is

00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.999
the policies, currently, that are
in place are designed to protect

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.999
you from aggressive coyotes, the problem
being is there’s no way to tell which one.

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.999
The aggressive ones don’t wear a
flashing neon sign that says,

00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:39.999
\"You know, there’s six of us here, but I’m the aggressive one.\" So,
unfortunately, for the coyotes, which are an invasive species,

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:44.999
uh… the best solution for them and I’ll say it over and
over again, dead coyotes don’t cause problems for anybody.

00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.999
Live ones always do, because they
always get old, they become infirm.

00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:54.999
If you’re a coyote and you can’t hunt like you
used to, all of a sudden, your diet will change.

00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.999
And my prediction is, in Nova Scotia
one day on that diet will be a kid.

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Hey, Zyla! Hey, Zyla!

00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.999
Let’s go. As a parent, I
have to say it’s… it’s…

00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.999
it totally affects how you think
about, you know, letting your

00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.999
kids go in the woods and spend time there without
supervision or with supervision, whatever.

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.999
But I will certainly teach them about safety in the woods,
no doubt about it, probably more so now than before.

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And it’s not just coyotes. It’s
moose during the breeding season.

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It’s black bear. I mean, there’s a
lot of, you know, dangers out there,

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if you really want to focus on the dangers.
You have more chances

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to be killed or injured by your own dog.

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[non-English narration]

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I think it’s not a coincidence that a lot
of the incidents have happened in suburbia,

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where I think there is a bit of an
attitude there where, you know,

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’I have a home, I have a back yard. I shouldn’t see
wildlife in that backyard. Oh, maybe the cute red squirrel

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and the chickadees, but anything more than
that, no, please.\" And I think, unfortunately,

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that’s a cultural thing. That’s the thing that we need
to change. You know, if… if… if you don’t live downtown,

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you go in suburbia or in the country, you go in suburbia
or in the country, I mean, there is some wildlife,

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and they’re doing their best to survive.

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[music]

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Sheep, sheep, sheep!

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So, say you’re a sheep farmer,
too, and you’re just, like,

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a young kid sheep farmer down playing with the
sheep, and then I come along as a coyote.

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Okay. Okay? And, like, you’re
just looking at the sheep,

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and you don’t even see me down
here like this. And you’re just,

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like, looking at your sheep. Like this?
Yeah. You’re just looking at your sheep.

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Look at your sheep. And then…

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[sil.]

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Can I do another one? Yeah, go ahead. Okay.

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That’s good.

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[music]

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My brain won’t really let
me go to the attack,

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because I realize that the
attack itself is not something

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I need to be concerned with, because it
happened, and she died from her injuries,

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and that’s cold hard truth, and I need to move forward,
and I know that Taylor would want me to do that.

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[music]

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I came here so that I could
go up to the Skyline Trail

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and be there on the second
anniversary of Taylor’s passing…

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with the RCMP constable,

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Pierre Rompré, who was one of the
very first on the… the scene.

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And I met him before. There was
a real connection with him.

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[music]

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I can’t get out of my seatbelt! Not easy,
how are you? Hello. You’re finally here?

00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.999
Yes. It’s been a long time. Yeah.

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You ready to hike the Skyline? Yeah.

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It’s funny how the emotion
starts to come back,

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you know? When you’re on-site. Yeah.
I can remember everything.

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Yeah? It seems that it’s been yesterday.
It’s weird. I know. It is, isn’t it?

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Yeah. Yeah. There’s not a day
I don’t think about it. Yeah.

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Yeah. So? Hopefully one day, we’ll all get to the
point where we don’t think about it every day.

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The day after it happened, I
talked to Constable Pierre Rompré,

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and he was devastated.

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I was trying to talk to him, and I was saying, you
know, \"Have you seen the pictures of her on TV?

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You need to look at those pictures, this vibrant,
beautiful girl who was living every moment of her life.\"

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You can see a little bit over there.
Oh, yeah?

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I came back to Toronto, and he called me,

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and he had been debriefed by then, and he was sounding
much better, and now he was trying to help me.

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He was asking me how I was doing.
And it was really amazing

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the way it worked, that I was able to help
him, and then he was able to help me.

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[music]

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We both felt that Taylor was
there, and just to know that

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her spirit is very much
there, but it’s peaceful,

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and that was really nice.

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[music]