0001 00:00:19:13 00:00:22:05 32

I've committed so many murders...
So many.

0002 00:00:22:19 00:00:25:20 36

It doesn't matter how many,
one is already too many.

0003 00:00:26:00 00:00:29:14 43

I've committed so many...

0004 00:00:31:19 00:00:34:11 32

that I don't count them anymore.

0005 00:00:36:03 00:00:37:07 14

A lot of them.

0006 00:00:39:03 00:00:42:00 35

This past lies heavy on me.

0007 00:00:44:13 00:00:47:13 36

You know...

0008 00:00:47:18 00:00:51:12 45

We were real butchers.

0009 00:00:52:15 00:00:55:24 40

I get goosebumps
when I think about it.

0010 00:01:01:13 00:01:05:03 43

And all this
was done for Totò Riina.

0011 00:01:06:11 00:01:08:17 27

It's hard to believe.

0012 00:02:05:08 00:02:09:20 54

I didn't spend my childhood
with toys,

0013 00:02:10:17 00:02:13:02 29

but with guns.

0014 00:02:13:18 00:02:17:11 45

With bombs, with explosives
hidden in warehouses.

0015 00:02:28:00 00:02:31:14 43

My brother, my father, my uncle,

0016 00:02:31:19 00:02:34:06 30

were all part of Cosa Nostra.

0017 00:02:34:15 00:02:38:20 50

Even my grandfather,
my father's father,

0018 00:02:39:00 00:02:40:14 19

was part of Cosa Nostra.

0019 00:02:41:05 00:02:43:15 29

My father was a mafioso,

0020 00:02:43:20 00:02:46:12 32

the first member
of the Brusca family

0021 00:02:46:17 00:02:50:01 40

affiliated according to the rules
of Cosa Nostra.

0022 00:02:50:12 00:02:54:12 48

My grandfather was not
but he was very close to the mafia,

0023 00:02:54:17 00:02:56:12 22

and the mafia used him

0024 00:02:56:17 00:03:00:18 48

to commit some crimes
and murders.

0025 00:03:11:06 00:03:15:08 49

My mother and so many others
had a passive role

0026 00:03:15:13 00:03:18:21 40

as they saw, listened,

0027 00:03:19:01 00:03:22:11 41

but did not interfere
in this business.

0028 00:03:24:08 00:03:29:16 64

They saw the ones
who were participating,

0029 00:03:31:03 00:03:35:02 48

they helped to hide the husbands
wanted by the police,

0030 00:03:35:07 00:03:39:01 45

to conceal, to hide evidence.

0031 00:03:41:02 00:03:43:01 24

They were not
actively participating

0032 00:03:43:06 00:03:48:04 59

but they knew who the husband was
and what he was doing,

0033 00:03:48:09 00:03:50:14 26

and how to behave.

0034 00:03:51:13 00:03:56:12 60

On my mother's side, no one
has ever been part of Cosa Nostra.

0035 00:03:56:17 00:03:59:21 38

No one with a record,
everyone was clean.

0036 00:04:01:00 00:04:03:06 27

My father's family,
on the other hand,

0037 00:04:03:11 00:04:05:05 21

was part of Cosa Nostra.

0038 00:04:05:20 00:04:07:04 16

The Anzelmo "family".

0039 00:04:07:09 00:04:11:06 47

But my father wasn't part
of Cosa Nostra.

0040 00:04:21:11 00:04:24:18 39

I felt...
and I understood it later,

0041 00:04:24:23 00:04:28:20 47

resentment towards my mother.

0042 00:04:30:14 00:04:36:06 68

Because she was doing everything
to keep me away from my uncles.

0043 00:04:36:16 00:04:38:24 28

She couldn't say it openly

0044 00:04:39:04 00:04:42:15 41

but she was trying
to keep me away.

0045 00:04:42:20 00:04:47:08 54

So my mother
sent me to boarding school...

0046 00:04:50:02 00:04:54:04 49

so that I could study,
after my father died.

0047 00:04:55:11 00:04:58:02 32

As soon as my uncle
got out of prison,

0048 00:04:58:07 00:04:59:20 18

the first thing he did...

0049 00:05:00:00 00:05:01:17 20

He took me
out of the boarding school.

0050 00:05:01:22 00:05:03:07 17

I saw my uncle as a liberator

0051 00:05:03:12 00:05:05:13 24

and my mother
should not say anything.

0052 00:05:06:19 00:05:11:08 55

She had two sisters
in the United States

0053 00:05:11:13 00:05:13:15 25

and wanted to send me there.

0054 00:05:14:10 00:05:17:20 41

But my mother couldn't do anything
without my uncles' permission.

0055 00:05:18:00 00:05:20:19 33

When she told my uncle Rosario,

0056 00:05:20:24 00:05:24:06 39

whose favourite nephew I was,

0057 00:05:24:19 00:05:28:00 39

and he had a lot of them,
but I was his favourite,

0058 00:05:28:05 00:05:29:07 13

my uncle said,

0059 00:05:29:12 00:05:31:02 19

"My nephew will stay here,

0060 00:05:31:07 00:05:34:11 38

America for him will be here,
not there."

0061 00:05:54:19 00:05:59:16 59

Before I joined, I didn't know
what Cosa Nostra was.

0062 00:05:59:21 00:06:02:02 27

I didn't know it existed.

0063 00:06:02:07 00:06:06:08 48

What I saw was that my uncles

0064 00:06:06:13 00:06:10:23 53

were respected and that doors
opened wherever they went.

0065 00:06:11:03 00:06:14:19 44

They had no problems.

0066 00:06:16:11 00:06:20:01 43

At home we used to say,
and we still say that,

0067 00:06:20:06 00:06:23:15 40

even though it's been twenty years
I've been away,

0068 00:06:23:20 00:06:26:11 32

"He's a good person,
an influential person".

0069 00:06:26:16 00:06:29:21 38

The question
of the "influential person",

0070 00:06:30:01 00:06:33:24 47

I've understood it
since I was a kid.

0071 00:06:35:05 00:06:39:21 56

I remember my uncle Rosario,

0072 00:06:40:11 00:06:44:11 48

when I was little
and my father was still alive,

0073 00:06:45:23 00:06:47:01 13

used to ask me,

0074 00:06:47:06 00:06:50:02 34

"Do you want to be a cop
or a man of honour?"

0075 00:06:50:07 00:06:54:06 48

If I answered "cop",
he'd slap my face.

0076 00:06:54:11 00:06:58:04 45

If I answered "a man of honour",
he would give me five euros.

0077 00:07:14:08 00:07:17:10 37

Before I became a man of honour,

0078 00:07:19:24 00:07:22:03 26

I was put to the test.

0079 00:07:24:08 00:07:28:09 48

I had to commit a murder

0080 00:07:28:14 00:07:31:24 41

near Palermo,
in Belmonte Mezzagno.

0081 00:07:35:01 00:07:36:14 18

One evening...

0082 00:07:37:21 00:07:43:20 72

My uncle Rosario and his
brother-in-law Raffaele Ganci,

0083 00:07:44:00 00:07:47:16 44

told me to go
to a specific place

0084 00:07:48:07 00:07:52:01 45

where a certain Mario
had to pick me up.

0085 00:07:52:19 00:07:57:12 57

At the time, Mario was the alias
of Leoluca Bagarella,

0086 00:07:57:17 00:07:59:24 27

Totò Riina's brother-in-law.

0087 00:08:00:20 00:08:03:07 30

I had to be at his disposal.

0088 00:08:03:12 00:08:08:16 62

I didn't know what I had to do,

0089 00:08:08:21 00:08:11:07 29

I just knew where to go,

0090 00:08:11:12 00:08:14:06 33

and that someone
had to come and get me.

0091 00:08:14:22 00:08:19:00 49

So I went there,
and he picked me up

0092 00:08:19:21 00:08:22:12 32

with Nino Marchese.

0093 00:08:24:23 00:08:26:19 22

I get in the car with them

0094 00:08:28:01 00:08:33:12 65

and we go to Belmonte Mezzagno.

0095 00:08:33:17 00:08:36:21 38

There were other people
I didn't know.

0096 00:08:39:03 00:08:41:07 26

They gave us guns.

0097 00:08:42:09 00:08:46:11 49

And Leoluca Bagarella says to me,
"You do what I do."

0098 00:08:47:24 00:08:49:15 20

I answered, "okay."

0099 00:08:50:11 00:08:56:09 71

We waited in the car
until we received the information

0100 00:08:56:18 00:09:01:17 60

that the person to be killed
was on the spot.

0101 00:09:02:22 00:09:05:08 29

So we went on foot.

0102 00:09:05:13 00:09:08:01 30

I remember it
like it was yesterday,

0103 00:09:08:06 00:09:11:03 35

we went into a bar,
it was in the evening.

0104 00:09:13:11 00:09:15:16 26

Mario pulled out his gun
and I did the same,

0105 00:09:15:21 00:09:17:17 22

he fired and I fired.

0106 00:09:19:07 00:09:20:21 19

And we took off.

0107 00:09:22:09 00:09:24:03 21

He took me home.

0108 00:09:25:00 00:09:27:04 26

Next morning...

0109 00:09:28:18 00:09:30:14 22

I'm going
to my uncle Rosario's house,

0110 00:09:30:19 00:09:32:12 21

and I read in the newspaper

0111 00:09:32:17 00:09:35:23 39

that instead of one person
being killed, two were killed.

0112 00:09:36:03 00:09:38:16 30

I remember it perfectly,

0113 00:09:38:21 00:09:42:20 48

at that time in Palermo, there was
a newspaper called "L'Ora"

0114 00:09:43:00 00:09:45:22 35

which ran the headline,
"The killer's hand trembles".

0115 00:09:47:20 00:09:49:10 19

Instead of one death,
there were two.

0116 00:09:49:15 00:09:53:04 43

I didn't know either of them,
I followed the orders.

0117 00:09:53:09 00:09:55:23 31

So I told my uncle,

0118 00:09:56:03 00:09:59:15 42

"Uncle, it was probably me
who made the mistake".

0119 00:09:59:20 00:10:04:01 51

He answered, "Don't worry,
it's one less cuckold."

0120 00:10:30:18 00:10:33:08 31

How was I inducted
into Cosa Nostra?

0121 00:10:33:13 00:10:37:20 51

The night before,
I was told that in the morning

0122 00:10:38:00 00:10:42:03 49

I had to go to a certain place.

0123 00:10:42:11 00:10:44:21 29

I have to admit...

0124 00:10:45:18 00:10:49:10 44

Being a teenager...
How can I put it...

0125 00:10:50:00 00:10:52:15 31

I was a bit of a rebel,

0126 00:10:53:13 00:10:56:01 30

I was afraid
I was going to be reprimanded

0127 00:10:56:06 00:10:58:17 29

for some misbehaviour.

0128 00:11:00:03 00:11:02:12 28

It was the head of the family,
Totò Scaglione

0129 00:11:02:17 00:11:03:24 15

who spoke to us,

0130 00:11:04:17 00:11:09:01 52

"We have gathered you here because

0131 00:11:09:06 00:11:12:14 40

"we would like to, if you agree,

0132 00:11:15:02 00:11:17:05 25

"for you to become

0133 00:11:19:00 00:11:21:03 25

"one of our brothers.

0134 00:11:22:01 00:11:25:02 36

"Here when there is a problem,
we help each other."

0135 00:11:25:07 00:11:27:05 23

He said it in a vague way

0136 00:11:27:10 00:11:31:10 48

he didn't talk about "Cosa Nostra"
or a specific "organisation".

0137 00:11:31:23 00:11:34:08 29

They put in our hands
a holy image and said,

0138 00:11:34:13 00:11:37:17 38

"We will burn this image

0139 00:11:38:16 00:11:42:24 52

"stained with drops of your blood.

0140 00:11:43:04 00:11:45:00 22

"You will pass it
from one hand to the other

0141 00:11:45:05 00:11:46:24 21

"repeating the formula."

0142 00:11:47:19 00:11:51:00 39

I don't remember it precisely,
it was more or less like this,

0143 00:11:51:05 00:11:55:12 51

"May my flesh burn
like this holy image

0144 00:11:55:17 00:11:58:10 33

"if I betray the organisation."

0145 00:11:59:08 00:12:02:19 41

And so I found myself
"man of honour".

0146 00:12:02:24 00:12:09:02 73

And a world opened up for me.
A new world.

0147 00:12:09:07 00:12:13:00 45

It is said of one
who is not man of honour

0148 00:12:13:05 00:12:14:15 17

"that he has his eyes closed",

0149 00:12:14:20 00:12:18:00 38

and the one who is,
"that he has eyes open".

0150 00:12:18:05 00:12:19:20 19

In the sense that

0151 00:12:20:17 00:12:24:20 49

you can't hide anything from him,

0152 00:12:25:00 00:12:26:16 20

he sees everything.

0153 00:12:27:09 00:12:32:04 58

I now considered myself
on the same level as my uncle.

0154 00:12:32:09 00:12:36:07 47

He had nothing more than me.

0155 00:12:36:12 00:12:38:20 28

He was a man of honour
and I was a man of honour.

0156 00:12:39:00 00:12:42:08 40

We had to respect each other.

0157 00:12:43:06 00:12:48:18 66

Whereas he could slap me before,
now he couldn't any more.

0158 00:12:50:09 00:12:53:13 38

One evening my father said to me,

0159 00:12:53:18 00:12:57:09 44

"Be available tomorrow,
you must come with me."

0160 00:12:57:17 00:13:00:10 33

I thought it was for a meal.

0161 00:13:01:00 00:13:02:19 21

Usually on these occasions,

0162 00:13:02:24 00:13:08:20 70

I was in charge of the barbecue,
that was my speciality.

0163 00:13:09:14 00:13:12:17 37

At some point,
Riina's brother-in-law, Bagarella,

0164 00:13:12:22 00:13:14:00 13

said to me,

0165 00:13:14:05 00:13:16:23 33

"Do you like being with us?"

0166 00:13:17:03 00:13:18:06 13

I told him, "Yes."

0167 00:13:18:11 00:13:20:18 27

"Do you like our business?"
"Yes."

0168 00:13:20:23 00:13:24:09 41

"Do you want to keep
killing people?"

0169 00:13:24:14 00:13:27:06 32

Since I had committed a murder
with him a few days before,

0170 00:13:27:11 00:13:31:00 43

I answered him,
"Yes, no problem."

0171 00:13:31:23 00:13:33:14 20

My father calls me and says,

0172 00:13:33:19 00:13:37:07 42

"Come.
My friend wants to talk to you."

0173 00:13:37:12 00:13:38:20 16

He meant Totò Riina.

0174 00:13:39:10 00:13:41:12 25

"He wants to talk to me?"
"Yes."

0175 00:13:42:10 00:13:43:17 15

It seemed weird to me,

0176 00:13:43:22 00:13:46:12 31

I was like a kid
in front of these characters.

0177 00:13:46:17 00:13:48:16 24

Without understanding, I entered.

0178 00:13:48:24 00:13:53:00 48

At a certain point, Totò Riina
takes out a knife and a gun,

0179 00:13:53:05 00:13:57:01 46

and puts them on the table
in the shape of a cross.

0180 00:13:57:06 00:13:59:09 25

Then he took a holy image

0181 00:13:59:14 00:14:01:14 24

and a needle,
and put them on the table.

0182 00:14:01:19 00:14:05:03 40

Before starting
the rite of affiliation,

0183 00:14:05:08 00:14:06:08 12

he said to me,

0184 00:14:06:13 00:14:10:17 50

"We are all brothers
and we belong to an association

0185 00:14:10:22 00:14:13:00 25

"that has rules

0186 00:14:14:08 00:14:18:22 55

"and if you don't respect them,

0187 00:14:19:02 00:14:21:04 25

"you risk your life."

0188 00:14:21:19 00:14:24:22 37

And I unconsciously...

0189 00:14:25:02 00:14:29:00 47

Oh, and he asked me
if I wanted to be part of it.

0190 00:14:29:11 00:14:32:05 33

And I unconsciously,
almost automatically, answered,

0191 00:14:32:10 00:14:36:03 45

"Yes, no problem,
I share your choices

0192 00:14:36:08 00:14:38:18 29

"and I want to be your friend."

0193 00:14:39:06 00:14:44:14 64

He takes my hand, pricks my finger,
squeezes out a drop of blood,

0194 00:14:44:19 00:14:48:10 44

which he drops on the holy image

0195 00:14:48:15 00:14:53:14 60

sets it on fire and passes it to me
from one hand to the other.

0196 00:14:54:11 00:14:56:05 21

From that moment on,

0197 00:14:56:14 00:14:58:23 28

he tells me
that I'm part of Cosa Nostra.

0198 00:14:59:03 00:15:02:20 44

They explain to me
how to introduce themselves,

0199 00:15:03:00 00:15:04:15 19

he calls my father

0200 00:15:04:20 00:15:07:14 33

and introduces me
with the formula "the same thing".

0201 00:15:07:19 00:15:09:02 16

Two members of Cosa Nostra

0202 00:15:09:07 00:15:11:14 27

can't introduce themselves
to each other,

0203 00:15:11:19 00:15:14:21 37

you need a third person
who knows them both

0204 00:15:15:01 00:15:16:21 22

to be able to connect them.

0205 00:15:17:01 00:15:20:09 40

For example, you and I
are part of Cosa Nostra,

0206 00:15:20:14 00:15:22:10 22

we both know it
but we can't introduce ourselves,

0207 00:15:22:15 00:15:28:08 69

a third person does it
with the formula "the same thing".

0208 00:15:47:12 00:15:49:23 29

Just after we took the oath

0209 00:15:50:14 00:15:56:13 72

we were explained some rules.

0210 00:15:57:18 00:16:02:18 60

That the family of Cosa Nostra
comes before the blood family,

0211 00:16:03:14 00:16:06:16 37

that one should not look at
the wife of another man of honour,

0212 00:16:06:21 00:16:08:23 25

or they will be killed.

0213 00:16:09:11 00:16:14:12 60

That one must not strike
another man of honour,

0214 00:16:14:17 00:16:16:00 16

or they will be killed.

0215 00:16:17:01 00:16:22:00 60

So we're told the rules to follow.

0216 00:16:22:08 00:16:24:08 24

In Cosa Nostra
every mistake is paid for,

0217 00:16:24:13 00:16:27:05 32

whether it be your brother,
your father, your mother, everyone!

0218 00:16:27:10 00:16:29:09 24

The one who commits a fault
in Cosa Nostra,

0219 00:16:29:14 00:16:31:12 23

against another man of honour,

0220 00:16:31:17 00:16:35:15 47

or who thinks he can get
on his high horse

0221 00:16:37:02 00:16:38:10 16

is killed.

0222 00:17:00:06 00:17:02:14 28

Our organisation
was like an octopus.

0223 00:17:02:19 00:17:05:06 30

Like a root that penetrates

0224 00:17:05:11 00:17:09:19 52

into all the cracks,

0225 00:17:09:24 00:17:12:04 26

into any activity.

0226 00:17:12:12 00:17:16:06 45

Everyone had their part
of the neighbourhood, his area.

0227 00:17:16:11 00:17:19:22 41

On the Corso dei Mille,
everything that moved,

0228 00:17:20:02 00:17:21:04 13

we knew about it.

0229 00:17:21:12 00:17:23:07 22

I remember that at that time,

0230 00:17:23:12 00:17:26:15 37

when there was purse snatching,

0231 00:17:28:07 00:17:31:16 40

we were the ones who intervened
to punish them,

0232 00:17:31:21 00:17:35:09 42

because we didn't want that
in our area.

0233 00:17:35:14 00:17:38:02 30

We controlled everything
in the neighbourhood.

0234 00:17:38:07 00:17:40:22 31

Everything,
from robberies to thefts.

0235 00:17:41:02 00:17:43:12 29

Not a single leaf was moving
without us knowing it.

0236 00:17:43:20 00:17:48:17 59

I've committed a lot of murders
without knowing the motive.

0237 00:17:49:00 00:17:54:20 70

I had seen the victim a minute
or a day before I killed him.

0238 00:17:55:08 00:18:00:16 64

Some suffered, some didn't,
some showed it, some didn't.

0239 00:18:01:11 00:18:05:23 54

Some were merciless, some were not,
some were colder than others.

0240 00:18:08:07 00:18:12:10 49

I, for example, had reached,

0241 00:18:12:15 00:18:13:24 16

and I apologise for that...

0242 00:18:14:04 00:18:15:24 22

a state of near indifference.

0243 00:18:16:04 00:18:20:21 56

In the sense that, at the time
of committing the murder,

0244 00:18:21:13 00:18:25:05 44

the decision had been made
after evaluation,

0245 00:18:25:10 00:18:27:12 25

so there was no need to discuss.

0246 00:18:27:17 00:18:30:24 39

I had to execute it
and that was it.

0247 00:18:31:07 00:18:33:21 31

It's a kind of school.

0248 00:18:35:11 00:18:39:16 50

A school
where you don't study with books,

0249 00:18:39:21 00:18:44:21 60

but where you begin
by observing,

0250 00:18:46:09 00:18:51:07 59

and learning how a mafioso moves,

0251 00:18:51:12 00:18:54:20 40

how he behaves, his attitude.

0252 00:18:55:00 00:18:56:01 12

And as they say,

0253 00:18:56:06 00:18:59:11 38

"You hang around with a lame,
you end up with a limp".

0254 00:18:59:24 00:19:05:10 65

We'd kill, and two minutes later
we didn't think about it anymore.

0255 00:19:05:15 00:19:08:05 31

We were told to kill, we'd do it
and go on to the next one.

0256 00:19:08:10 00:19:09:10 12

We didn't waste time.

0257 00:19:09:15 00:19:11:12 23

We didn't even want
to know the motive.

0258 00:19:11:17 00:19:12:20 13

We had to kill him and that was it.

0259 00:19:13:15 00:19:18:14 60

At the time, doing this
was like taking a walk.

0260 00:19:19:04 00:19:20:20 20

I was happy.

0261 00:19:21:19 00:19:25:22 49

I was held in high regard
by the organisation.

0262 00:19:26:20 00:19:30:07 42

When I was picked up for a mission,
I was happy.

0263 00:19:30:12 00:19:36:10 71

It meant
that I was esteemed in my field.

0264 00:19:37:11 00:19:41:05 45

In Cosa Nostra,
I was well especially appreciated

0265 00:19:41:10 00:19:43:13 25

because I didn't ask questions.

0266 00:19:44:09 00:19:45:16 15

I was executing.

0267 00:19:47:12 00:19:49:13 24

I was a man of action.

0268 00:19:52:18 00:19:55:05 30

The things I did,
I kept to myself.

0269 00:19:57:16 00:20:02:04 54

When we did something,
we would tell each other,

0270 00:20:02:16 00:20:04:12 22

"Tenitillo a purteddu"

0271 00:20:05:05 00:20:10:04 60

which means,
"Don't tell a soul".

0272 00:20:10:14 00:20:13:09 34

"Hey, don't forget,
don't tell a soul."

0273 00:20:37:20 00:20:41:15 46

On the other hand,
I found it cruel and harsh

0274 00:20:41:20 00:20:44:07 30

when I had to strangle someone.

0275 00:20:44:12 00:20:45:22 17

When you strangle,

0276 00:20:46:02 00:20:50:03 48

you touch your victim with
your hands, you see how they die,

0277 00:20:50:08 00:20:55:04 58

those terrible minutes
until the subject

0278 00:20:57:07 00:20:59:24 32

ceases to live.

0279 00:21:00:12 00:21:03:24 42

Some people were asking you why,

0280 00:21:04:04 00:21:07:01 35

others remained silent.

0281 00:21:08:13 00:21:13:09 58

Those instants,
those moments, those minutes...

0282 00:21:14:07 00:21:18:21 55

between the moment when you hold
the victim by the arms

0283 00:21:19:01 00:21:21:15 31

and the moment when you pass
the rope around his neck,

0284 00:21:21:20 00:21:25:22 49

were terrible because they
understood they were going to die,

0285 00:21:26:02 00:21:30:18 56

when we had just eaten together.

0286 00:21:31:01 00:21:33:00 24

Another particular moment

0287 00:21:33:05 00:21:36:06 36

was when the victim
was being undressed.

0288 00:21:36:11 00:21:38:02 20

It was necessary...

0289 00:21:40:24 00:21:45:02 49

to take off all their clothes

0290 00:21:45:07 00:21:49:02 46

and make them disappear
by putting them

0291 00:21:49:07 00:21:51:23 32

in the acid barrel.

0292 00:21:52:03 00:21:55:22 45

And then wait two, three hours
for the body to dissolve.

0293 00:21:56:02 00:22:00:08 51

In the end...

0294 00:22:01:14 00:22:05:20 51

the only things left were the teeth
that had not dissolved.

0295 00:22:07:21 00:22:09:08 18

The teeth, or an object...

0296 00:22:09:13 00:22:12:07 33

Or what strangely did not dissolve

0297 00:22:12:12 00:22:17:06 57

like the sacrum, surprisingly.
There was always some left.

0298 00:22:17:19 00:22:22:06 54

The decision to kill
by strangulation was made

0299 00:22:22:18 00:22:24:10 20

to leave no signs.

0300 00:22:24:15 00:22:27:00 29

The victim simply disappeared.

0301 00:22:27:17 00:22:31:20 49

If there is no corpse,
there is no crime.

0302 00:22:36:16 00:22:38:18 25

We've always done it this way.

0303 00:22:38:23 00:22:45:09 77

I've heard that we may have used
pigs that devoured everything.

0304 00:22:45:14 00:22:50:02 54

But we only used the acid system.

0305 00:22:54:09 00:22:57:17 40

We undressed the strangled person,

0306 00:22:58:07 00:23:00:18 29

and put them in the barrel.

0307 00:23:02:02 00:23:03:08 15

Head first.

0308 00:23:04:09 00:23:07:16 39

We filled
the barrel with acid.

0309 00:23:09:01 00:23:12:20 45

The acid started to bubble

0310 00:23:13:00 00:23:16:01 36

and the person dissolved.

0311 00:23:20:05 00:23:22:00 22

Then we emptied the barrel.

0312 00:23:25:01 00:23:26:24 23

How do you sleep afterwards?

0313 00:23:27:23 00:23:29:05 15

That....

0314 00:23:31:03 00:23:32:16 18

After...

0315 00:23:33:03 00:23:35:16 30

We sleep...

0316 00:23:36:16 00:23:40:24 52

It becomes a routine.

0317 00:23:43:08 00:23:44:22 19

It's brutal.

0318 00:23:45:22 00:23:51:16 69

That's what we did for a living,
drug dealing, killing people,

0319 00:23:53:12 00:23:55:16 26

protecting Totò Riina,

0320 00:23:57:14 00:24:00:04 31

and stirring up constant trouble.

0321 00:24:01:06 00:24:02:06 12

It was all there.

0322 00:24:23:24 00:24:27:11 42

For us, Totò Riina
has always been...

0323 00:24:31:02 00:24:33:23 34

the diamond of Cosa Nostra.

0324 00:24:34:03 00:24:38:16 54

We were like drooling dogs
when we talked about him.

0325 00:24:39:06 00:24:45:01 70

Being one of those close to him
made me feel important.

0326 00:24:47:19 00:24:52:04 53

It was like
being next to the President.

0327 00:24:53:08 00:24:56:19 41

Everywhere I went,
I found open doors.

0328 00:24:57:02 00:25:01:12 53

Riina was the number one,
the "dominus" of all.

0329 00:25:02:14 00:25:04:13 24

If I remember correctly,

0330 00:25:04:18 00:25:07:03 29

in Palermo,
there were fifteen "families".

0331 00:25:07:08 00:25:10:23 43

The heads of the families
used to get together

0332 00:25:11:03 00:25:15:22 57

and decided on the proper
functioning of the organisation.

0333 00:25:16:16 00:25:21:05 55

They decided who to vote for
in the elections,

0334 00:25:21:23 00:25:23:17 21

who to support.

0335 00:25:23:22 00:25:30:06 76

They decided how to settle
conflicts between families.

0336 00:25:31:16 00:25:35:10 45

If it was a conflict
over territory,

0337 00:25:35:15 00:25:39:19 50

the Commission would decide.

0338 00:25:39:24 00:25:45:22 71

To make sure things
would not get out of hand.

0339 00:25:46:24 00:25:52:21 71

The Commission decided
the elimination of men of honour

0340 00:25:53:01 00:25:55:24 35

and the assassinations
of men of the institutions.

0341 00:26:21:01 00:26:23:20 33

General Dalla Chiesa
had defeated terrorism,

0342 00:26:24:00 00:26:27:12 42

he had managed to convince
terrorists to collaborate,

0343 00:26:27:17 00:26:29:18 24

he had created
high-security prisons,

0344 00:26:29:23 00:26:32:20 35

he had a lot of freedom of action
within the prisons.

0345 00:26:33:00 00:26:36:20 46

It was mainly an act of prevention

0346 00:26:37:00 00:26:39:10 29

because he was causing us harm.

0347 00:26:41:20 00:26:45:22 49

So there was nothing to explain

0348 00:26:46:02 00:26:49:00 35

to us in particular,

0349 00:26:49:05 00:26:54:20 67

we were given an order,
and asked to carry it out.

0350 00:26:55:15 00:26:59:08 45

When I knew that I had to
participate in the assassination...

0351 00:27:01:07 00:27:06:15 64

I knew that General Dalla Chiesa
was an influential person,

0352 00:27:07:07 00:27:08:19 18

I didn't worry about it

0353 00:27:08:24 00:27:12:11 42

because my bosses
ordered me to do it.

0354 00:27:12:24 00:27:18:01 61

I was relaxed,
it was legal, so to speak.

0355 00:27:18:10 00:27:21:08 35

I was mandated to do it.

0356 00:27:23:00 00:27:26:15 43

It wasn't me who took an initiative
that could harm the organisation.

0357 00:27:26:20 00:27:29:18 35

It was the organisation
that decided so.

0358 00:27:30:21 00:27:34:20 48

So it was right,
and it had to be done.

0359 00:27:35:20 00:27:41:01 63

And at the time,
we're talking about the '80s,

0360 00:27:41:06 00:27:44:01 34

to participate
in the murder of Dalla Chiesa...

0361 00:27:44:21 00:27:47:15 33

it was almost flattering.

0362 00:27:48:15 00:27:51:07 32

It wasn't just anyone,

0363 00:27:51:12 00:27:54:23 41

it was General Dalla Chiesa
the Carabinieri leader.

0364 00:27:57:11 00:28:02:08 59

We felt important
to be part of that death squad.

0365 00:28:14:20 00:28:16:08 18

We tried to do it twice.

0366 00:28:16:13 00:28:20:13 48

The first time
he took a different route,

0367 00:28:20:18 00:28:23:22 38

but the second time
we succeeded,

0368 00:28:25:01 00:28:28:05 38

because he took his usual route.

0369 00:28:29:07 00:28:34:22 67

We had two cars.
One was driven by Calogero Ganci,

0370 00:28:35:02 00:28:38:00 35

and the other by Nino Marchese,
which I was in.

0371 00:28:38:08 00:28:40:17 28

On the bike
were Peppuccio Lucchese

0372 00:28:40:22 00:28:42:15 21

and Pino Greco,
alias "Little Feet".

0373 00:28:42:20 00:28:45:21 36

When the General's car passed by,

0374 00:28:47:05 00:28:48:22 20

we fired,

0375 00:28:49:09 00:28:52:10 36

and the General Dalla Chiesa died.

0376 00:28:53:04 00:28:56:17 42

We went back to the starting point,

0377 00:28:57:12 00:28:59:12 24

and everyone went home.

0378 00:29:00:17 00:29:05:16 60

It may sound absurd, but it was
the easiest thing in the world.

0379 00:29:05:21 00:29:08:01 26

Especially since he was alone
with his wife in his car,

0380 00:29:08:06 00:29:11:04 35

and his bodyguard, who also died,
was in the second car.

0381 00:29:13:24 00:29:16:13 31

The street was ours.

0382 00:29:19:03 00:29:20:09 15

Nobody was talking.

0383 00:29:20:14 00:29:22:24 29

Even if they saw something.

0384 00:29:23:07 00:29:27:04 47

MAFIA MURDERS
DELLA CHIESA AND HIS WIFE

0385 00:29:27:09 00:29:30:07 35

THE WAS IS ON!

0386 00:29:33:18 00:29:37:09 44

For me
it was not a war against the state.

0387 00:29:37:14 00:29:41:08 45

It was targeted objectives.

0388 00:29:41:16 00:29:44:05 31

There were so many
magistrates and policemen,

0389 00:29:44:10 00:29:46:05 22

we couldn't kill them all.

0390 00:29:46:10 00:29:51:08 59

We targeted the people
who were in our way,

0391 00:29:51:13 00:29:55:08 46

the people
who knew things about us,

0392 00:29:55:13 00:30:00:21 64

who did not fear us,
who had integrity,

0393 00:30:01:01 00:30:05:00 48

the people we couldn't corrupt,

0394 00:30:05:05 00:30:07:15 29

the ones we couldn't convince.

0395 00:30:07:20 00:30:12:02 51

The only way out was to kill them.

0396 00:30:12:07 00:30:15:04 35

So we were told, "get organised

0397 00:30:15:09 00:30:17:15 27

"and kill
the head of the police Cassarà."

0398 00:30:17:20 00:30:19:16 22

And we did it.

0399 00:30:19:21 00:30:24:22 60

"Get organised and kill
General Dalla Chiesa..."

0400 00:30:25:14 00:30:30:18 62

We didn't commit these
assassinations at the same time.

0401 00:30:31:04 00:30:32:17 18

They were staggered over time.

0402 00:31:23:10 00:31:27:09 48

After each murder, I went to church
to confess to God

0403 00:31:27:14 00:31:30:03 31

because I could not confess
to anyone else.

0404 00:31:31:05 00:31:33:16 29

I asked God for forgiveness
for what I had done.

0405 00:31:33:21 00:31:37:20 48

I don't know how to explain it,
it's nonsense...

0406 00:31:38:08 00:31:44:05 71

But when I went to church,
I felt lighter.

0407 00:31:44:10 00:31:46:03 21

I felt more...

0408 00:31:47:11 00:31:50:11 36

How can I explain...

0409 00:31:51:10 00:31:53:01 20

Like I didn't kill.

0410 00:31:53:06 00:31:57:22 56

As long as I went to pray
and talked with God,

0411 00:31:58:02 00:32:00:22 34

because I was talking to him
in my head,

0412 00:32:02:19 00:32:08:09 67

I had the feeling that the murder
I had committed was right,

0413 00:32:08:14 00:32:11:00 29

because the victim deserved to die.

0414 00:32:13:22 00:32:16:16 33

I don't know
how to explain it otherwise,

0415 00:32:16:21 00:32:20:00 38

I killed
and then I went to church.

0416 00:32:20:08 00:32:25:06 59

All of us from Cosa Nostra, when
we were committing these horrors,

0417 00:32:25:11 00:32:27:12 24

we were psychologically convinced

0418 00:32:27:17 00:32:29:16 24

that we were doing good
for the community,

0419 00:32:29:21 00:32:31:24 25

and we had a clear conscience.

0420 00:32:32:10 00:32:36:14 50

We went to church,
some more than others,

0421 00:32:36:19 00:32:40:23 50

we gave gifts to the priests
for their needs.

0422 00:32:41:03 00:32:43:03 24

We had a good relationship
with the church.

0423 00:32:43:08 00:32:45:24 32

The church
even did us some favours.

0424 00:32:47:13 00:32:52:03 55

For example, fixing our trials,
getting us favours.

0425 00:32:55:08 00:32:59:10 49

Those who have
on their conscience

0426 00:32:59:15 00:33:01:17 25

so many victims

0427 00:33:02:08 00:33:03:20 18

must understand,

0428 00:33:04:17 00:33:05:24 15

must know

0429 00:33:06:19 00:33:09:16 35

that they don't have
the right do kill

0430 00:33:10:19 00:33:12:02 16

innocent people.

0431 00:33:13:16 00:33:15:08 20

God said,

0432 00:33:16:03 00:33:17:11 16

"Thou shalt not kill".

0433 00:33:18:14 00:33:21:07 33

No man, whatsoever,

0434 00:33:22:05 00:33:26:19 55

no human organisation,
or Mafia

0435 00:33:27:10 00:33:31:06 46

can trample on

0436 00:33:31:19 00:33:34:22 37

God's sacred right.

0437 00:33:45:19 00:33:50:02 52

The Sicilian people

0438 00:33:51:13 00:33:54:04 32

so attached to life,

0439 00:33:54:14 00:33:56:16 25

who love life so much,

0440 00:33:57:01 00:33:58:09 16

who give life,

0441 00:33:59:00 00:34:01:05 26

these people cannot live

0442 00:34:02:04 00:34:05:00 34

forever under the yoke

0443 00:34:05:11 00:34:09:13 49

of a negative civilisation,
a civilisation of death.

0444 00:34:10:20 00:34:15:01 51

I say to their bosses,

0445 00:34:15:06 00:34:20:19 66

convert yourselves, because
you'll face God's Judgement.

0446 00:34:21:02 00:34:23:14 30

The speech of John-Paul II

0447 00:34:25:01 00:34:27:00 24

annoyed us,

0448 00:34:28:03 00:34:32:00 47

me, and I think all of us.

0449 00:34:32:05 00:34:34:18 30

Personally,
I reacted thinking...

0450 00:34:36:04 00:34:37:17 18

"Who are you,
to excommunicate me ?"

0451 00:34:37:22 00:34:42:23 60

"If God forgives,
how can you excommunicate

0452 00:34:43:03 00:34:45:17 31

"someone whose motivations
you don't know?"

0453 00:34:45:22 00:34:49:23 48

I was reasoning
with the state of mind

0454 00:34:50:03 00:34:52:02 24

I mentioned before.

0455 00:34:52:10 00:34:54:05 22

I didn't give a shit
about his excommunication,

0456 00:34:54:10 00:34:57:20 41

because each one of us
had his local priest.

0457 00:35:11:23 00:35:16:24 60

My life at that time was
totally dedicated to Cosa Nostra.

0458 00:35:17:04 00:35:18:16 18

I had no other perspective,

0459 00:35:18:21 00:35:20:20 24

other than...

0460 00:35:22:09 00:35:25:09 36

committing murders,
carrying out missions,

0461 00:35:25:14 00:35:28:09 34

"curating" as we said,

0462 00:35:28:14 00:35:31:23 40

and executing
Totò Riina's orders.

0463 00:35:32:03 00:35:37:01 59

For two years, I did nothing else.

0464 00:35:37:15 00:35:39:23 28

I didn't do anything else.

0465 00:35:40:03 00:35:43:06 37

I would get up in the morning,
go and see Totò Riina

0466 00:35:43:11 00:35:45:05 21

find out what I had to do,

0467 00:35:45:10 00:35:48:04 33

if there were murders
to be committed,

0468 00:35:48:09 00:35:50:20 29

if there were orders to be given...

0469 00:35:51:23 00:35:54:11 30

I was only dedicated to that.

0470 00:35:54:19 00:35:56:21 25

Despite that...

0471 00:35:58:17 00:36:02:01 40

I carried on with my life normally,

0472 00:36:03:21 00:36:08:13 56

and I managed to split myself
into two or three different people.

0473 00:36:08:18 00:36:10:11 21

One belonged to Cosa Nostra,

0474 00:36:10:16 00:36:13:04 30

was involved in murder,
in business,

0475 00:36:13:09 00:36:15:22 30

everything that had to do
with our activity.

0476 00:36:16:17 00:36:18:14 23

One was a regular person,

0477 00:36:19:18 00:36:24:04 53

the youngster I was,
going out with his friends.

0478 00:36:24:09 00:36:27:11 37

Unfortunately
I was running out of time to do it,

0479 00:36:27:16 00:36:30:01 29

and that was upsetting.

0480 00:36:30:06 00:36:33:03 35

I loved to see my childhood
friends, or from the bar,

0481 00:36:33:08 00:36:36:02 33

who had nothing to do
with Cosa Nostra.

0482 00:36:36:20 00:36:40:05 41

And for that, I had to escape...

0483 00:36:40:10 00:36:41:24 19

An example among others,

0484 00:36:42:04 00:36:47:19 67

to escape from Cosa Nostra
and go see my friends,

0485 00:36:47:24 00:36:50:17 33

I was hiding my car

0486 00:36:51:04 00:36:53:04 24

so that I couldn't be found,

0487 00:36:53:09 00:36:56:16 39

because I needed to be free,

0488 00:36:56:21 00:36:59:16 34

and escape from Cosa Nostra's hold.

0489 00:37:00:00 00:37:05:12 66

And then I was also a contractor,
indirectly linked to Cosa Nostra,

0490 00:37:05:17 00:37:09:10 45

it was thanks to Cosa Nostra that
I could do my business more easily.

0491 00:37:09:15 00:37:13:02 42

For that work,

0492 00:37:13:07 00:37:16:08 36

I didn't have to present documents
like the others.

0493 00:37:16:13 00:37:19:23 41

I got the contracts first
thanks to Cosa Nostra.

0494 00:37:20:12 00:37:24:04 44

We all had a job.
We had to work.

0495 00:37:24:22 00:37:27:13 32

Otherwise what would we have done?

0496 00:37:27:18 00:37:30:04 29

Hang around in the streets?

0497 00:37:30:16 00:37:35:02 53

Each of us had his own life,
his lawful life,

0498 00:37:35:07 00:37:40:10 61

and then another life, where
he did things for Cosa Nostra.

0499 00:37:41:08 00:37:42:08 12

I would get up in the morning

0500 00:37:42:13 00:37:47:06 57

and go to the warehouse
where I had my tools.

0501 00:37:48:10 00:37:52:09 48

I organised the workers' schedule,

0502 00:37:52:14 00:37:56:00 41

I would go home
and take my children to school

0503 00:37:56:05 00:37:59:18 42

and then I would go back
to the building site to work,

0504 00:37:59:23 00:38:03:21 47

until 1 p.m., and then I would go
pick up my kids at school,

0505 00:38:04:01 00:38:05:23 23

go home and eat,

0506 00:38:07:01 00:38:09:21 34

and at 3 p.m.,
I would go back to work.

0507 00:38:10:17 00:38:14:04 42

And there were the days
when I didn't go to work,

0508 00:38:14:09 00:38:19:07 59

because I was in charge
of committing a crime.

0509 00:38:19:12 00:38:21:18 27

So I wasn't going to work.

0510 00:38:21:23 00:38:26:03 50

The work was done
by my workers.

0511 00:38:26:23 00:38:29:08 29

The mission for Cosa Nostra
accomplished,

0512 00:38:29:13 00:38:31:05 20

I would go back to work.

0513 00:38:31:24 00:38:33:11 18

That was my life.

0514 00:38:36:01 00:38:39:01 36

We were closed 15 days
during the summer

0515 00:38:39:06 00:38:42:01 34

and I was going on a trip
with my wife.

0516 00:38:42:24 00:38:45:15 32

It was a normal life,

0517 00:38:45:20 00:38:50:14 57

without luxury and without fuss.
A normal life.

0518 00:39:25:11 00:39:28:09 35

At this point
we had to slow down

0519 00:39:28:14 00:39:30:21 27

because of the increasing number
of justice collaborators

0520 00:39:31:01 00:39:35:08 51

that were in our midst.

0521 00:39:36:09 00:39:38:07 23

So we had to send a message,

0522 00:39:38:12 00:39:42:11 48

and we targeted the son
of the collaborator Di Matteo.

0523 00:39:42:19 00:39:46:01 39

The strategy was to abduct him.

0524 00:39:46:06 00:39:49:24 45

At that time, I swear to God
and to everybody,

0525 00:39:50:04 00:39:53:12 40

there was no intention
of killing him.

0526 00:39:55:03 00:40:00:06 61

It was only a strategy
to put pressure on the father

0527 00:40:00:11 00:40:01:20 16

to get him to withdraw,

0528 00:40:02:00 00:40:06:05 50

and also to dissuade those

0529 00:40:06:19 00:40:09:00 27

who were also considering
collaborating.

0530 00:40:09:05 00:40:11:19 31

This was a message
to all the members of Cosa Nostra.

0531 00:40:12:02 00:40:16:07 50

I was the one who made the decision
to kidnap Di Matteo's son

0532 00:40:16:12 00:40:19:19 39

as head of the "family"
of San Giuseppe Jato

0533 00:40:19:24 00:40:22:00 24

to which his father belonged.

0534 00:40:24:10 00:40:26:01 20

The agony of Di Matteo's son

0535 00:40:26:06 00:40:29:03 35

lasted more
than two and a half years.

0536 00:40:32:01 00:40:33:08 15

I don't know exactly how long.

0537 00:40:33:13 00:40:36:17 38

The public prosecutor's office
has documents with the exact dates.

0538 00:40:36:22 00:40:40:11 43

He was about 14 years old
when he was abducted,

0539 00:40:42:22 00:40:46:10 42

13 years and eight, nine months...

0540 00:40:46:15 00:40:49:10 34

We were sure
that he was 14 years old.

0541 00:40:50:07 00:40:53:15 40

I was watching on TV

0542 00:40:54:15 00:40:57:12 35

the outcome
of the Ignazio Salvo trial,

0543 00:40:57:17 00:41:02:02 53

in which me and others were
sentenced to life imprisonment,

0544 00:41:02:07 00:41:05:22 43

partly because of the collaborator
Di Matteo's statement.

0545 00:41:07:20 00:41:12:08 54

At that point, I was already
at the end of the rope

0546 00:41:13:01 00:41:17:11 53

because of the statements
of another collaborator

0547 00:41:17:24 00:41:22:15 56

and unfortunately for me,
I got angry,

0548 00:41:22:20 00:41:26:04 40

"That's enough,
let's get it over with!"

0549 00:41:26:23 00:41:29:12 31

How was he killed? He was killed...

0550 00:41:30:06 00:41:32:19 30

like any man of honour,

0551 00:41:33:14 00:41:35:07 21

that's one way to put it.

0552 00:41:35:12 00:41:40:08 58

"We" took him and "we"
strangled him, like the others.

0553 00:41:41:23 00:41:43:18 22

Then we dissolved him in acid

0554 00:41:43:23 00:41:48:15 56

to make the corpse disappear,

0555 00:41:49:06 00:41:54:20 67

as we had always done
in Cosa Nostra's history.

0556 00:41:55:12 00:41:57:22 29

The rule is the rule.
And that was the rule!

0557 00:41:58:02 00:42:00:23 34

I totally believed in it.

0558 00:42:01:03 00:42:06:10 63

I would have given my life
to protect our members

0559 00:42:06:15 00:42:08:04 19

in the trials they were facing.

0560 00:42:08:09 00:42:13:01 56

Defeating the state by forcing
Di Matteo to withdraw

0561 00:42:13:06 00:42:16:00 33

would have been a huge success
for us.

0562 00:42:17:22 00:42:19:14 20

I can't be reduced to...

0563 00:42:19:19 00:42:21:21 25

"He killed Giuseppe Di Matteo."

0564 00:42:22:01 00:42:24:17 32

You have to look at the context.

0565 00:42:24:22 00:42:29:12 55

Giuseppe Di Matteo was not only
the son of a repentant man.

0566 00:42:30:16 00:42:35:03 54

Giuseppe Di Matteo
was a signal to everyone.

0567 00:42:37:19 00:42:42:06 54

Moreover,
our prisoners, our affiliates,

0568 00:42:42:22 00:42:44:19 23

were aware
that we were doing something,

0569 00:42:44:24 00:42:49:00 48

that we were not staying passive

0570 00:42:49:05 00:42:51:05 24

in front of the state's
legal attacks.

0571 00:42:51:19 00:42:56:19 60

At this point in time, I wasn't
the leader of all the chiefs,

0572 00:42:56:24 00:43:00:17 45

but let's say I had
an important role nonetheless.

0573 00:43:00:22 00:43:05:06 52

I inherited a large part
of Totò Riina's legacy.

0574 00:43:05:11 00:43:07:15 26

And I was acting exactly
as he would have done,

0575 00:43:07:20 00:43:09:20 24

nothing more and nothing less.

0576 00:43:28:10 00:43:31:08 35

In the name of Cosa Nostra,
I have done so many things.

0577 00:43:32:00 00:43:35:09 40

I've committed
so many horrible things.

0578 00:43:35:18 00:43:39:17 48

And among these horrible things...

0579 00:43:40:24 00:43:44:21 47

I murdered
my father's two brothers.

0580 00:43:47:00 00:43:49:03 25

Vincenzo and Salvatore.

0581 00:43:51:02 00:43:52:03 12

I couldn't do otherwise.

0582 00:43:52:08 00:43:55:24 44

Because "they" had decided
that Vincenzo Anzelmo had to die...

0583 00:43:59:08 00:44:04:14 63

They invented a false pretext
to accuse my uncle.

0584 00:44:04:19 00:44:08:03 40

They said he had a relationship
with a girl...

0585 00:44:09:04 00:44:13:08 50

It was the only way
to eliminate him.

0586 00:44:13:23 00:44:19:04 63

And when I was told,
I couldn't get out of it.

0587 00:44:20:16 00:44:24:12 46

Because if it was true,

0588 00:44:25:07 00:44:26:18 17

it was fair that he died.

0589 00:44:26:23 00:44:32:15 68

The rules were clear
and explicit from the beginning.

0590 00:44:34:21 00:44:38:24 49

And it wasn't true,
but I didn't have the evidence,

0591 00:44:40:04 00:44:43:09 38

so I couldn't question
the decision.

0592 00:44:44:10 00:44:48:17 51

So I had to put on a brave face.

0593 00:44:50:00 00:44:51:21 22

And I obeyed.

0594 00:44:53:09 00:44:56:04 34

I tried to meet Totò Riina.

0595 00:44:58:04 00:45:00:18 31

I asked
if I could shoot my uncle myself,

0596 00:45:00:23 00:45:03:03 26

but they wouldn't let me.

0597 00:45:03:08 00:45:07:15 51

They had decided to take him away
and make him disappear.

0598 00:45:08:08 00:45:11:18 41

I knew the difference

0599 00:45:13:06 00:45:15:23 32

between death by strangulation
and death by shooting.

0600 00:45:16:03 00:45:18:23 34

Death by shooting
is a thousand times better

0601 00:45:19:03 00:45:20:12 16

than dying by strangulation.

0602 00:45:21:13 00:45:23:21 28

A bullet
kills you in three seconds.

0603 00:45:26:13 00:45:30:15 49

Dying by strangulation
is long and cruel.

0604 00:45:30:20 00:45:32:10 19

It's brutal.

0605 00:45:32:18 00:45:37:23 62

After my uncle disappeared,
his brother found out about it.

0606 00:45:39:11 00:45:42:06 34

It was my other uncle, Salvatore.

0607 00:45:45:19 00:45:48:09 31

My uncle Vincenzo
disappeared in October

0608 00:45:50:13 00:45:55:09 58

and I am informed in November,
and the only one to know,

0609 00:45:55:14 00:45:59:02 42

that my uncle Salvatore
is collaborating with the police.

0610 00:46:02:13 00:46:04:15 25

And they ask me,
"What does he deserve?

0611 00:46:05:18 00:46:06:22 14

"Death!"

0612 00:46:08:00 00:46:11:17 44

I replied, "I'll take care of it.
Consider it done."

0613 00:46:13:01 00:46:15:16 31

I went to his house and in front
of his wife and his children,

0614 00:46:15:21 00:46:17:16 22

I shot him and left.

0615 00:46:19:00 00:46:20:19 21

I couldn't go against Totò Riina.

0616 00:46:20:24 00:46:24:15 44

He was God on Earth in Palermo,

0617 00:46:25:07 00:46:27:04 23

that's what he was.

0618 00:46:28:20 00:46:31:12 32

Whoever got on his bad side
was finished, done.

0619 00:46:32:03 00:46:36:19 56

It's as if we were...
completely blind.

0620 00:46:38:23 00:46:41:09 29

If Cosa Nostra's commission,

0621 00:46:41:14 00:46:44:17 37

in the context of the eighties

0622 00:46:44:22 00:46:48:03 39

when I was tied
to that organisation,

0623 00:46:48:08 00:46:51:06 35

if Cosa Nostra's commission
had ordered me

0624 00:46:51:24 00:46:56:06 51

to kill my father...
I would have done it.

0625 00:46:58:20 00:47:00:23 25

We had been told
from the very beginning,

0626 00:47:01:03 00:47:04:01 35

"Cosa Nostra
comes before your family."

0627 00:47:05:20 00:47:10:19 60

"First comes Cosa Nostra",
it's like a brain washing.

0628 00:47:12:01 00:47:15:23 47

"First comes Cosa Nostra
and then, everything else."

0629 00:47:28:02 00:47:30:11 28

I found my childhood again,

0630 00:47:30:16 00:47:34:10 45

I started to live again
as a human being,

0631 00:47:35:06 00:47:39:07 48

like a normal being,
when I started to collaborate.

0632 00:47:41:04 00:47:43:20 32

I was able to take classes,

0633 00:47:44:10 00:47:46:09 24

thanks to those
who were close to me,

0634 00:47:46:14 00:47:48:14 24

learn...

0635 00:47:48:19 00:47:50:19 24

I got the certificate
of secondary education.

0636 00:47:51:15 00:47:54:09 33

I took a computer studies course.

0637 00:47:55:07 00:47:57:05 23

I did different things

0638 00:47:57:21 00:48:01:20 48

that opened my eyes on what
I had lost when I was young,

0639 00:48:02:18 00:48:05:07 31

being in contact
with normal people.

0640 00:48:16:24 00:48:21:22 59

Listen, I committed...
or rather I didn't do...

0641 00:48:22:11 00:48:28:04 69

I don't want to shirk
my responsibilities.

0642 00:48:28:09 00:48:31:10 36

I am responsible for about
a hundred murders.

0643 00:48:31:15 00:48:35:19 50

But I didn't commit 100 murders
or more... I never counted them.

0644 00:48:35:24 00:48:40:03 50

I ordered them
as head of the "family".

0645 00:48:40:08 00:48:44:06 47

Everything that happened in my area
was under my responsibility.

0646 00:48:44:11 00:48:48:10 48

But honestly,
even if I committed 100,

0647 00:48:49:18 00:48:54:02 52

these murders have to be considered
in the context of Cosa Nostra.

0648 00:48:54:07 00:48:57:16 40

I thought I was powerful,
that I was above...

0649 00:48:57:21 00:48:59:03 15

all suspicion.

0650 00:48:59:08 00:49:03:12 50

I thought I was
an ultra-powerful god,

0651 00:49:03:17 00:49:06:04 30

with no one above me,

0652 00:49:06:09 00:49:09:21 42

until I realised

0653 00:49:10:01 00:49:13:08 39

that I was going to be a victim
of my own organisation.

0654 00:49:14:01 00:49:16:02 24

I found out through the revelations

0655 00:49:16:07 00:49:18:13 27

of the collaborator
Salvatore Cancemi

0656 00:49:18:18 00:49:22:18 48

that Totò Riina had decided

0657 00:49:22:23 00:49:26:11 42

to kill me with Salvuccio Madonia.

0658 00:49:27:11 00:49:29:09 23

There, I wondered,

0659 00:49:29:14 00:49:33:24 53

"I've done all this pandemonium,
and for what?

0660 00:49:34:11 00:49:35:19 16

"On what motive?"

0661 00:49:35:24 00:49:37:21 23

Today, I don't know.

0662 00:49:39:05 00:49:40:22 20

Today, I still don't know.

0663 00:49:52:18 00:49:57:06 54

I started to collaborate in 1996
after four years in prison,

0664 00:49:57:22 00:50:00:18 34

because I was worried about my son.

0665 00:50:00:23 00:50:04:05 39

I saw that my son was growing up.
He was becoming an adult,

0666 00:50:04:10 00:50:07:05 34

and I didn't want him
to go down the same road.

0667 00:50:07:18 00:50:11:17 48

Then there was the kidnapping
of Di Matteo's kid,

0668 00:50:12:20 00:50:13:24 14

it disturbed me

0669 00:50:14:04 00:50:19:03 60

because this kid had suffered.
First he was kidnapped,

0670 00:50:19:08 00:50:22:00 32

then strangled
and dissolved in acid.

0671 00:50:22:24 00:50:27:16 56

Then I started thinking and...

0672 00:50:27:21 00:50:31:18 47

And that led me to collaborate

0673 00:50:31:23 00:50:34:22 36

and to cut myself off permanently
from Cosa Nostra.

0674 00:50:37:10 00:50:40:08 35

Today I am free
after being incarcerated

0675 00:50:40:13 00:50:45:16 61

25 years, 11 months and 10 days
in prison and under house arrest.

0676 00:50:47:24 00:50:49:17 21

That said...

0677 00:50:50:20 00:50:52:16 22

by a sort of
professional deformation

0678 00:50:52:21 00:50:55:03 27

I always look around...

0679 00:50:55:20 00:50:59:01 39

I'm not scared of anything,
I am not afraid.

0680 00:50:59:06 00:51:03:10 50

I don't worry
about myself any more,

0681 00:51:03:15 00:51:06:17 37

I'm untroubled
from that point of view.

0682 00:51:07:18 00:51:10:08 31

Yes, I'm looking over to see if
some people who would recognise me.

0683 00:51:10:13 00:51:14:15 49

It's something
that will never leave me,

0684 00:51:14:20 00:51:18:24 50

watching my back
is part of my nature.

0685 00:51:20:08 00:51:25:23 67

I feel lighter
despite the burden of my past.

0686 00:51:27:13 00:51:32:11 59

What I have done, I have done it
and I can't erase it.

0687 00:51:34:03 00:51:39:08 62

And so for the people where I live,
I'm a normal person.

0688 00:51:39:13 00:51:40:20 15

One of many.

0689 00:51:42:24 00:51:44:13 19

An emigrant.