Life 6 - The Unforgiven
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Across the world it's increasingly recognized that civil conflict is as big a barrier to development as illiteracy or illness. Once war-torn countries can struggle for decades with its legacy. Liberia is still struggling to establish law and order, establish security for its people and find roles for ex-combatants. But can countries like Liberia — until recently ravaged by fighting of unspeakable savagery — forgive and forget in the absence of a proper legal process to try those responsible for war crimes?
One man who believes that only God has the answer to this dilemma is evangelical pastor Joshua Milton Blahyi. He recently travelled to Kenya to help a peace and reconciliation process after the bloodshed which followed its disputed election. And Mr Blahyi should know. He was once known as General Butt Naked, a warlord who admits to some of troubled West Africa's most horrific war crimes.
The general submitted himself to Liberia's own Truth and Reconciliation process at the end of 2007. In his testimony to the TRC, he admits to responsibility for 20,000 murders and cannibalism. He says it's up to the discretion of the TRC to decide his fate (it's due to report later this year), but that God's already given him a second chance — he's changed his ways, and can now help guide other former ex-combatants to rebuild Liberia.
So can — and should — the general and other perpetrators of atrocities really be forgiven for cannibalism and child murder? Many, after all, are still celebrated as heroes and role models by large numbers of Liberians. And in a country where evangelical Christianity underpins a culture of impunity for those responsible for 14 years of vicious civil war, most people advocate (or are encouraged to advocate) forgiveness.
But if the general and others like him are forgiven, what can be the sanction for future warlords? If the so-called war criminals are punished and held to account, how far will Liberia need to go — when almost everyone was involved in the factions in one way or another? What's the best forward - do you name and shame, and potentially destroy the fabric of Liberian society, or forgive and forget, and allow the perpetrators to go on living in the community — unpunished and unchecked, and potentially ready for renewed fighting.
'The Unforgiven forcefully examines, through the lens of Liberia's civil war and the massive human rights abuses that were committed there, questions concerning forgiveness and forgetting. Through the perspectives of those who committed the abuses and those who suffered them, the movie explores the benefits and harm from not dealing with harm suffered by victims in a very intense manner. In the context of a post-conflict society wanting to move on, the tensions concerning forgiveness versus accountability are forcefully examined. This film is an essential watch for all those interested in issues concerning justice, truth and reconciliation in transitional societies.' Dr Jeremy Sarkin, Distinguished Visiting Professor of Law, Hofstra University Law School. Member, United Nations Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances
'Life 6 is a wonderfully educational series that presents the viewers with the dilemmas faced by specific individuals in the socio-historical and economic context of their communities in the midst of an increasingly globalized world. The tremendous value of this series is that, in the brief thirty minutes that each episode lasts, it captures the complexities of the lives of those in it as they face Western influence that force them to reassert, defend, or challenge their local and/or individual identities, cultures, governance, wealth distribution, and practices of achieving justice and reconciliation--to name a few...Life 6 represents these issues in an objective and analytical way that will--without question--lead into a discussion and debate about them by academics and lay audiences alike.' Aniuska Luna, African Peace and Conflict Network
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Main credits
Marlow, Emily (film producer)
Marlow, Emily (film director)
Malde, Smita (editor of moving image work)
Bradshaw, Steve (host)
Bradshaw, Steve (editor of moving image work)
Blahyi, Joshua Milton (on-screen participant)
Other credits
Editor, Smita Malde; series editor, Steve Bradshaw.
Distributor subjects
African Studies; Anthropology; Conflict Resolution; Developing World; Ethics; Geography; Globalization; Human Rights; Humanities; International Criminal Court; Law; Millennium Development Goals; Social Justice; Social Psychology; Sociology; United Nations; War and Peace; Women's StudiesKeywords
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Globalization is making the rich world,
even richer. But billions are locked out.
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They\'re living on the edge between the rich
world and the poor. They face tough choices,
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if they want to join the party.
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Civil war has a stranglehold on developments
that\'s tough to break even when peace breaks out.
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Countries like Liberia need to put
the horrors of the past behind them
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but what to do if the horror
seems too terrible to forgive.
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Half of its people fled during its bitter
civil war, hundreds of thousands died.
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There\'s peace now but
prosperity is a long way off.
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This is Liberia, the oldest independent state in Africa.
If the country is fully to recover after the war
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it must decide whether
to forgive or to punish
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those who committed terrible atrocities.
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Far away in The Hague its former President Charles Taylor
is on trial for war crimes in neighboring Sierra Leone.
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But there been no decisions yet about whether
anyone will be brought to justice here in Liberia.
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In this deeply religious country this is causing
extraordinary political and personal dilemmas,
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on non more bizarre and compelling than the
question of what to do about general butt naked.
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Somebody could (inaudible) for Jesus.
Hallelujah… Hallelujah… Hallelujah… I want to…
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In a church in the capital Monrovia,
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evangelical preacher Joshua Milton
Blahyi is beginning his summon.
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I say you\'ll not be disappointed… I say
you\'ll not be disappointed. I want…
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In his congregation, some of the most
notorious fighters from the Civil War.
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I am convinced that these men
are able to change this nation,
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just how the devil use us to that negative.
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God is going to use these guys to the
positive. Can you please stand on your feet?
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Hallelujah.
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God bless you man (inaudible). The man standing
there is a the former general of the NPFL.
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He one time woned (ph) at the war
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of the most tactical (inaudible)
warrior for the NPFL.
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Today he is an evangelist,
evangelist Swah Debleigh
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This man was one of the
man that terrified people
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Swah Debleigh was the gang leader. His
name was even mentioned in the heck
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for the different atrocity he have caused or how
strategic he was in the hands of the devil…
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Joshua Milton Blahyi knows only
too well the mindset of these men
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and the extent of the atrocities they\'ve
committed. He too was once an infamous warlord.
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Humanly I have abused a lot of rights
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and I went fighting, killing a lot of people, destroying a
lot of people, people who were not even part of the problem.
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During the war Joshua Milton Blahyi
was the feared rebel commander
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known as general butt naked. He launched
into battle naked to scare the enemy
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and for spiritual protection.
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He has admitted responsibility for the deaths of
twenty thousand people and confessed to cannibalism.
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He says he was initiated as a
child in his tribes\' priesthood
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and later became an advisor to
murdered President Samuel Doe.
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Among his tribes traditions
he says, was human sacrifice.
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When I was a traditional priest to my tribe there was
certain ages that we accept that for sacrifices.
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Most of the time we ask them to bring
young people, certain age of people.
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General butt naked as he used to be
has another extraordinary story.
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One day he says he was involved in a
sacrifice when he had a divine revelation.
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When I am on a battlefront
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we do rituals uh… those rituals
includes human sacrifices
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especially with children and
after this usual sacrifice,
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I heard a voice behind me. I was
on a new bridge when I met Christ,
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in a dream one of my usual sacrifice.
When I look back to this voice
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I saw a man standing and this
guy was so bright, very bright,
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brighter than the sun that I could not look
at him twice. Lord immaterial like us,
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in brutal destroyal like us.
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Lord you have found us worthy
to bring for your holy work…
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The general now a preacher is committed
he says to doing God\'s work,
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trying to rehabilitate 50 hardened
criminals and ex combatants.
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You and I are men (inaudible).
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Many of them were from opposing factions in the
world. But do you feel like their father some times?
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Yes, yes, I am their father, not only feel
like their father, I am their father.
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I\'m actually their father, these ones
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they were very small and started fighting.
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After the war… after the war
their parent expected children
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but they were no more children, they
were adults. Yay, you\'all shut up…
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you\'ll shut up. So conflict came
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and that is how they left their communities, they
feel abandoned, they feel they are not (inaudible).
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So they became more enemy to the
society so nobody used to like them
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so I decided to come and bridge them and be
the bridge between they and the society.
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Given the wars horrors it\'s unlikely these
men stories of all wild (inaudible).
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I\'ve killed, I\'ve been killing even
those I killed I chopped them off.
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My mouth alone when I was
fighting the war was a weapon
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because I ordered to 50,000 people and told them to
kill, I never had a sense of forgiveness at that time.
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Can you imagine at that time I was very small I had no concept of
forgiveness, I just killed everyone, it was all about survival.
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[non-English narration] If you knew
me before you\'ll be afraid of me.
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I used to rip young girls, I used to
hijack them at night. As I see you,
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I will start telling you. Every where you went,
I will follow you until I got what I want.
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I used to put people on a knife
point and take their belongings
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but now I\'m happy because I receive Jesus Christ through Joshua
Milton Blahyi. Because I allow people to call me butt naked….
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Like his protégés, the
preacher now faces a dilemma
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make more acute by his
Christian conversion.
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Should he be forgiven since he has repented
or should he be held to account and if so
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what about the former soldiers and his flock?
It\'s a dilemma that can\'t easily be solved.
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Liberia\'s civil war was one of the
most bloody in West African history.
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Establishing a Truth and Reconciliation
Commission, the TRC was a central plank
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of the peace agreement made between Liberia\'s war
in factions (ph). The TRC began its work in 2005,
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documenting abuses and identifying
the perpetrators and their victims.
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It\'ll make recommendations to the
government on how to heal the country.
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But the TRC is facing a dilemma of its own,
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if it tries to hold all the perpetrators
to account it could rekindle the fighting
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but it also wants to encourage
people to speak out.
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It\'s the delicate balance that TRC has
to provide. How do you pursue the peace?
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How do you sustain the peace and
how do you promote reconciliation?
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You don\'t want to aggressively pursue one
approach and then create another problem.
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It is natural that people
traumatized, will be afraid that
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their victimizers are still around
and we have security concerns
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and will be reluctant to come forward.
And so the one thing we do have in TRC
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is trying to break a quarter (ph) of
silence in this country about crimes.
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[non-English narration]
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The fighting in Liberia
lasted over fourteen years
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but in 2003 the largest United Nations
peacekeeping mission in the world stepped in
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to demobilize and demilitarized
the fighting factions.
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Once they\'ve handed in their weapons, the thousands
of ex combatants was sent to a camp for five days
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given money and sent on their way,
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often with nowhere to go and nothing to do.
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After the war most of the people who commit crimes are
ex combatants, how can he (inaudible) man in five days?
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Can you change a man in five days?
That\'s what they did in Liberia,
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I felt rejected by the people who gave me arms
after these armaments. The money they gave me
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I made no use of the money, I used the money
for drugs after smoking the money was used up.
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I had no hope, no where to get money from. So the
only way I knew to find money was to commit crime.
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Two years after demobilization,
in November 2005 Liberia held
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democratic elections and
renewal began in earnest.
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It\'s a huge undertaking to rebuild
all of the destroyed infrastructure
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and to restore the Liberian
people\'s faith in state authority.
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Liberia\'s president knows that
providing a future for ex combatants
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is one of Liberia\'s most urgent priorities.
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Finding the jobs for our
thousands and thousands of
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young people uh… who were
either victims of the war
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or ex combatants and giving them skills
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to enable them to become a viable citizens.
That\'s our biggest challenge
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because they\'re unemployed and that
means that they\'re very vulnerable
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to being recruited for other things.
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I know what I have placed in some of them, how I have trained
them and what I saw them doing what they are capable of doing.
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So I\'m telling the government,
telling the international community
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that if they don\'t do something about these guys
the worse that will happen is that somebody
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who also wants to get into leadership like
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many other African leaders and is not
competent of coming into leadership
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maybe by the rule of law, by
election could use these guys
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just an announcement to them say look \"you guys
are suffering and blah, blah, this is them,
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let\'s go to fight\". They
all will go in a thousand.
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Lack of jobs is just one of many
challenges the government faces
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after years of lawlessness the justice
system in Liberia is badly broken.
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Few judges are trained,
prison facilities are limited
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and there\'s no public faith in the state judicial system. Right
now the few criminals who are actually arrested and imprisoned
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can face years without trial.
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I\'ve been here for one year. One year? Yes.
Been to court? No. Haven\'t been to court yet?
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Yes, no indictment or nothing.
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They have not tried me yet.
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United Nations is working with the government to strengthen
the rule of law and build up legal institutions.
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In central Liberia in Bong county, Izatta
Nagbe is monitoring prison conditions.
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That was 75%. The criminals
are never arrested
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because the police lack the (inaudible)
or… or power to (inaudible)
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who after them if they arrest,
the police is not well equipped.
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In Bong county police have only one vehicle,
the issue of fuel for vehicle is our problem.
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So usually these perpetrators
are out there and
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at some times you may go to perpetrator (inaudible) Issue of mob
violence or mob choices is very privileged in the… in the county
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and they fight the country as whole.
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If people are not getting justice, the
accusers are… are not being heard,
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definitely they are going to take situation in
their own hands and avenge their perpetrators.
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The Minister of Justice says
he\'s aware of the danger
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the answer he says is a credible justice
system and restoring faith in the rule of law.
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We want for our people to have
trust in our system again
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that was part of our problem of the (inaudible).
If people feel that they cannot get justice
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uh… they may be motivated to take the laws into their
own hands and that\'s something we want to avoid.
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People need to know of the arrests that we are
making of people involved in criminal activities.
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They need to know of the
prosecution that\'s underway.
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Now we are seeing 3,500
police officers trained,
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we have in training another 500 in a
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latest response unit. Now
we are building up a unit
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to deal with sexual violence in the
country, well why can\'t we ensure
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that they have better judges. Those are the kinds of
things I\'m saying we need to… to let the public know
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so that the public would
then feel more comfortable
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and know that we are making the efforts uh…
in ensuring that their expectations are met.
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There\'s another issue
besides law and order.
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There\'s also the question of
what signals the state sends
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about what\'s acceptable
in a lawful society.
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There may be two dimensions to this issue of how quiet we need to deal
with criminals and criminality. One thing is that people need to see
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that the people doing the
wrong thing is punished,
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one thing for their satisfaction but also as a… as a signal
from the state that we do not accept this type of behavior
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and if the state wants to build up
a society, it needs to make sure
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that laws are respected but their whole
society and the state is being built up.
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The Truth and Reconciliation Commission
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is not just dealing with a few individual
cases, as a Western court might.
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When Joshua Milton Blahyi gave his testimony, the commission
knew there were countless others they could hear from.
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General butt naked as he used
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to be called appeared before
TRC, his testimony is public.
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He is just one witness,
we talking about hundreds
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and probably hundreds of thousands, up to one
hundred thousand ex combatants (inaudible)
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That is a situation we
have to be punctilious of.
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First of all I\'m appealing
uh… because I know that
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the lot of things I can help to undo,
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the lot of things I can undo especially most of
the things that I have done or see people do
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when I was in the hands of authority.
I pick them to the bureau communities
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to ask for forgiveness and that\'s not all,
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you want to build your house. They
are learning carpentry admitting it
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so it\'s mean of appealing
and making restitution.
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The ex combatants that Joshua Milton Blahyi is working with
are also throwing themselves on the mercy of the commission.
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[non-English narration] We gave testimonies,
we ask god, we ask people to forgive us.
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We also went to the TRC and said the truth.
And that\'s how people start to forgive us.
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I did it necessary when TRC came about
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to use that TRC process as a means
of appealing to entire nation
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about the acts done by me and so in
appealing I must first submit what I did.
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But it\'s not just about being
forgiven by the state,
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it\'s also about being forgiven by their victims
and that can include friends and family.
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Nana we want to say uh… we
love you, we wanna say uh…
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Nana is going home to be reconciled with
his uncle, who he once tried to kill…
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Us being rejected, pray in Jesus name…
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[sil.]
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Nana was a little boy, Nana was like this
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just doing war.
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War started going on and
peer pressure had him.
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We observed that his attitude
changed, also many occasions
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he tried even to kill us.
All of us to go somewhere
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that this country would be a (inaudible). Somebody must be
willing to forgive those wrongs that our brothers and sisters,
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Our daughters, our sons have done. Amen
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Amen. Uh… Kneel down before your uncle.
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And uh…
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aha we uh… that is a sigh of forgiveness
as the uncle put his back on him
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so Nana is now forgiven.
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What the war and the… the disturbance
of Liberia placed inside of him
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gone, has completely deliver him out of it.
Thank god for that.
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I want you to know that this is not a commander and a soldier
relationship. He is not your boss, he is your father
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so you will live and
respect him as a father.
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Uh… I think god has restored him. Nana,
what do you think? What do I think?
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You think your mind is been, you think you had too many
drugs to be normal or you think you\'re… you\'ve recovered?
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I\'ve recovered.
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My mind is not like before.
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If it was I couldn\'t be here.
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I don\'t think nobody should
be here responsible for war,
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nobody. If there should be somebody to
be here responsible would be the devil.
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The devil is to be here responsible.
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Religion affects many
aspects of life in Liberia.
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And many say it\'s religious belief
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which should determine
the course of justice.
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Amen, put your hands together for Jesus You think you should be punished
for your rapes? Yeah I should be punished. What kind of punishment?
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If the government will
arrest me for this time,
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they can\'t give me any punishment but at
least I\'m happy that god changed my life
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so if God can punish me for what I\'ve done
I will accept my punishment from God.
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Religion in Liberia is something
nice, its… it\'s really used
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to change the minds of people. They are also…
also use in many, many ways as a cover up
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but at the same time as a strong belief that is
(inaudible) who is responsible for their being.
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So want do ordinary Liberians choose,
punishment for the perpetrators or forgiveness?
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My grandfather\'s head was chopped off
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but I\'m not going to take revenge because of that you
understand so I just want to ask everyone to forgive.
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If they have a court here, that can bring people to justice
they should be punished for the crime they\'ve commit.
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If you have to punish one,
you have to punish all
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and if you have to punish all they
would not be healthy for Liberia.
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That\'s the dilemma we find ourselves. Which
way to go, whether to unite ourselves
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and face the reality of what happened to us
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or to what (inaudible)
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and leave that as we go in our own way
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we are at that junction.
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But our country has a history of infinity
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where people didn\'t at all feel uh…
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accountable for their actions and
what TRC is attempting to do is what
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Liberians have not only for account
for the past, documented past
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and the fundamental mandatory of TRC is to
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uproot the root causes of the conflict
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and the recommendations on what
matters and this statute(ph) provides
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that the government shall
implement the recommendations.
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Victims or victors uh… we must get
them together with one interest
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to keep Liberia safe for all and to have
equal opportunity and justice for all.
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We must find a way uh… to reconcile
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without compromising justice
where but that is necessary
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and… and this company is committed to that.
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The government\'s dilemma is how to achieve the
delicate balance between reconciliation and security.
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Former warlords like butt naked, can\'t
yet be sure they\'ll escape punishment.
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The TRC is due to present
its recommendations by 2009
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and there\'s still a possibility of
a Liberian war crimes tribunal.
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You think that the innocent victims
in Liberia can or should forgive you
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because you have been partly responsible for
these guys some of them with your force.
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Exactly so I asking them to forgive
me but I\'m not forcing them,
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it is not compulsory. I\'m not… I\'m… I\'m
wanted to happen by themselves, that is why
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I\'m trying to do a lot of good
to appeal for their forgiveness.
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There are people who uh… have said that
we should just proceed and forgave
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what\'s happened in the past and in
some instances that may be appropriate
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but in others we think it would indicate the wrong
signals. And there are others in our community
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and I was one of those who subscribe
to it and I thought that uh…
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some of the atrocities committed
(inaudible) magnitude
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that it will require us addressing them beyond
the Truth and Reconciliation Commission
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and the individuals who have proposed
is setting up of a war crimes tribunal.
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While waiting to know what fate the
legal system has in store for him
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the man once known as general butt naked
is contemplating his own dilemmas.
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How did god allow me
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to get in to such a horrible past one, two
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or a generals, or a perpetrators
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or a evil doers like myself
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were elected into government
offices, as senators,
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as representatives getting money from
the government international community
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and they are doing nothing
and I am doing everything
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to repair the past.
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As the government waits to hear the truth and
reconciliation commissions recommendations,
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Joshua Milton Blahyi has court on the edge of
justice. He can see the argument for punishing him
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he can also see the case for forgiveness.
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Definitely, uh… I deserve punishment.
What kind of punishment?
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Whatever, whatever if it is
uh… if the punishment deserve
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according to law and for the future history of
this country is death, fine if it is to be hanged,
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fine if it is to be life imprisonment
fine if it is some time in prison fine.
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If they can pardon me, fine also.
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The last time I gave the government
and the whole nation two options,
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I said that they should
collect every one of us,
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dig one big hole, put us there and cover us
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to die or they consider us
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and work with us to give us some
discipline and use us as (inaudible).
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[non-English narration]
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So can Joshua Milton Blahyi and
those like him be forgiven,
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once pardoned they could help rebuild
the country and Christian forgiveness
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would triumph over revenge.
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And yet forgiving them could be a signal that law
doesn\'t matter even for the most terrible crimes.
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Nobody that we met no even the general
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is sure of the answer. hallelujah!