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He was very disarming when she was
a little girl she was named mode

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Victoria McGrath She was named
after her grandmother mod and

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Queen Victoria in honor of the day because
she was born on the 24th of May and for

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the first five years she
taught the fireworks were for

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her and I think maybe
she was right after all

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The Council of Canadians led
by mod Marlow has launched

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a court case against Conrad Black\'s
takeover the Southern newspaper chain.

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This week Mr. Blank Black called The
Case a loser he also said of my Barlow

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I\'ve never met her but to
judge from Republic efforts

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it\'s hard not to impute to
her the motive of regret.

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With the southern papers may henceforth be

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less absolutely reliable and
predictable mouthpieces of

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her feminists socialists envious
anti-American views than they have been

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is the Council of Canadians right
there Conrad Black\'s and Hollinger

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have too much control over
Canadian newspapers Parker We\'re

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here today to launch a judicial
review of the closed door

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behind closed doors decision
of the competition bureau to

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grant the takeover by Southern
by Hollinger\'s without

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consideration of the Canadian people without
an opportunity for Canadians to have input.

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Without a consideration of the
lack of editorial diversity

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that this may result in And we
believe will result in we have

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a situation in Canada now we\'re

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three major corporations control
three-quarters almost three quarters of the

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daily sets up from one quarter in 1960

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and it was considered a concern
then had all Mr. Wheeler.

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I\'m calling back about
your proposition that mod

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comes from 12 until two o\'clock
On the 24th for now magazine

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Mayan Barlow is no stranger to media controversy
and outspoken social critic and head of

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Canada\'s largest citizens rights
group she\'s often in the public eye

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but for the last few days Barlow has been

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holed up in her office at
the Council of Canadians.

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Preparing to launch the court case against

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the federal government and
Conrad Black\'s Hollinger ink.

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When she\'s not consulting colleagues.

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She\'s talking to the press.

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Well I don\'t want to ruin
the chances of this thing

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going the way it\'s supposed to go
because we consider this to be probably

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the most important thing we\'ve ever
done it and one of the scariest so we

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want it to be done
properly if area Well it\'s

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big I mean potentially it
has huge ramifications for

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the country and for the future of
the press in this country if we\'re

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successful and it has
personal ramifications for

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our organization because we\'re a small non-profit
was No government or corporate funding

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and this is potentially a big legal
case and could go on a long time and

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also you know we\'re up against someone
who is known to be hosted the touches.

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Set a fair way to put
it varies not in Canada

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any intellectually presentable
conservative media outlet

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though I and others are determined
to make the Financial Post a

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candidate for such a distinction

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Canadian businessman Conrad Black
didn\'t always control the majority of

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Canada\'s newspapers at a
conservative think tank luncheon

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Eight years before the southern takeover.

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Mr. Black delivers his opinion of the
newspaper chain he\'ll eventually

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own cameras phrase the
proprietors it\'s south them and

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Thompson heavy in effect proclaim

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their own virtue and allowing professional
journalists unanswerable and not necessarily

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representative to
administer to this country

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a dreary and unimagined native

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soft left

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anesthetic

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lens

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better received here that when I give
it to the Canadian press annual dinner

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two weeks ago We

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are deliberating at heart here the right
of the public versus the private.

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Because Conrad Black says
well I have the money I

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can buy them they\'re mine I can
do what we want I want with

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them we say you through your newspapers
have access to the hearts and

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minds of the majority of
Canadians and nobody has

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the right to buy that that
has to be protected by law.

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So that there is a plurality
and a diversity of

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views fighting for social change has
always been a Barlow tradition.

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According to her sisters Pat and
Christy It was Maud who lead

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the way I think that to mod we

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knew from an early age was going to
be sort of a reformer feisty tough.

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We were talking the other day about grampa
yeah that was the first indication.

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We had a wonderful wonderful set of
grandparents I think I got along beautifully

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with grampa he was a contained Chris old
man he was wonderful I loved him dearly.

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But he had his views on life and I

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didn\'t challenge them I don\'t
know if you did or not Christine.

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But mod challenged them and you talk
about strong-willed grammar was

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strong-willed Modi was even more
so and they were completely at

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loggerheads They\'re about social
issues they would just go at

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it the other little story is
there\'s every single picture of

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modest attract and she has her mouth

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open it\'s true I am not kidding you
the three of us we\'d all be posing in

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a photographer\'s studio you
know and everything\'s very

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serious Amal has literally
mid-sentence mystery of

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not just little a little whisper aside so

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just Prize yet when I look at my life
I seem to follow very much although

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I never was conscious of it the
kind of work my father did

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my father always believed that
we had been given so much in

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our lives and that one
had to to give back And

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he particularly I think because
of what he saw in the war

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he saw five very terribly years
and he was often called to

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defend people who went awol
young guys who would go crazy

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in the war and they would end up being

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shot and he thought that was
just appalling So one of the

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one of the experiences that
he took back with him from

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the war was a desire to
work on the key issues of

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capitalist corporal punishment and the

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punitive way the prison system
worked in in our country it

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was very much put them in jail throw away the
keys and my dad was part of a revolution.

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One of my early memories
is seeing my father on

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television watch debating with the hanging
man who was always called Mr. Ellis

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They always had this pseudonym and he had

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a hood And my memory is that my dad was
smoking cigarette although he says

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that\'s not true but I read and standing up
for for what he so deeply believed in and

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of course in those days the feelings
around capital punishment were more like

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they are in the United States now that
was very very controversial issue.

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So it was very it was very
important I think to for me in

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my formative years to watch
somebody stand up and count be

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counted for something and
believe in something here to

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reconnect the ribbons that have
bound us across the country

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the history of our country was built
by institutions that understood To

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survive the moral nature father Barlow
takes a stand on controversial issues.

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Chief among them the Canada US free-trade

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deal for the last ten years she has marched
shoulder to shoulder with thousands

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of other Canadians who believed
that the deal is bad for

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Canada but Barlow also believes that free
trade is connected to something much bigger.

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Something she calls the rise of

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corporate rule we are

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living now under a system of corporate
rule we are no longer governed

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by governments they may
govern but they do not rule

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private capital has become so
powerful in our world that we\'ve

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transferred power out of the hands of
governments To the private sector and we are

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no longer operating under nation state
law of the world\'s largest economies

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51 are now corporations
only 49 are countries

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Walmart is bigger than a 161
countries including Poland is

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real and Greece Mitsubishi is larger
than the fourth most populous nation on

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earth Indonesia General Motors is
bigger than Denmark Ford is bigger than

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South Africa Philip Morris is larger
than New Zealand Toyota is bigger

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than Norway the top 200 with
the combined revenue of $7.1

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trillion have almost
twice the economic clout

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of the bottom four-fifths
of humanity I will

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repeat that the top 200 corporations in
this world have a combined economic clout.

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More than double the bottom
four-fifths of humanity and

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yet is inspite of that the wealth
and clout that they now hold

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they are of course net job
destroyers altogether they employ

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less than a third of 1 100th
of 1% of the world\'s people

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Scientists tell how we adapt to change

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negative changed and
particularly they talk about

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global warming by using the analogy
of when they put a frog in water

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they say that if they put it
in hot water to try to get

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out because it knows this isn\'t
good but if they put it in

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cold water and heat it up
slowly it will adapt and

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adapt fall asleep and die
and my worry is that we are

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the frog in the water right
now it\'s warm and we

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are adapting to something that\'s
poisonous for us and that we

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have to have the intelligence and
the courage to say this is no

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good we are In fact falling asleep or sleep

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walking to extinction the amount of

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money that corporations corporate CEOs
are earning compared to their workers.

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Is obscene.

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They\'ll stat I saw the other day that
just stunned me was that the president of

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Ford in the United States makes
2003 times more money than

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his average workers and his Mexican plants
need and of course what\'s happening is that as

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corporations growth companies
were able to say to

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countries well if you don\'t
like us if you don\'t.

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If you don\'t bring down your
corporate taxes if you don\'t

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allow us to strip mine and clear
cut and if you don\'t bring

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your labor unions into line
and if you don\'t allow us to

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replace and despise your domestic
industry We\'re going to go

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where they don\'t give us a hard
time and that shift has happened in

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a in a in a profound way and I
don\'t think most of us yet have

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turned the lens of our telescope
to understand the depth of that

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I want to tell you a story it\'s
a story about American ship off

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the coast of Newfoundland in the fog
and the American captain picks up

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a Canadian radio signal and he identifies
the signal and he gets on his radio and

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says shift your course 15
degrees to the north to avoid

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collision The Canadian voice
comes back out of the fog.

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No you shift your course 15
degrees the American says this is

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an American warship I order you
to shift your course right

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now the Canadian voice very
reasonably says no captain.

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You shift your course might now
then the American says this is

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a large vessel and

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the Canadian voice comes back and says It\'s
your call captain but this is a lighthouse

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Now to my way of thinking
the Council of Canadians is

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that lighthouse that will force the
corporations to rethink their suicidal course

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that\'s the task of our organization and

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our members and I could complete the
men of metaphor by saying that mod is

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our shining light But
that in fact is not so

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we have 60 thousand more shining lights

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the volunteer energy of ordinary people
across the country is what keeps

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the council going at this year\'s
General Meeting there\'ll be discussing

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everything from world trade agreements to the
fate of Canada\'s social programs these are

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the kinds of concerns that first attracted
Barlow to the organization the most wonderful.

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Part of my adult life And aside from

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my kids and I adore my kids and and the work
with women\'s movement was wonderful but

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it felt like all of that was
getting me ready for for

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something else and that was the
assault on the integrity of

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this nation of its social and environmental
cultural saw that started to take place we

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call it free trade then but clearly
free trade was a tool and it is

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about a market ideology it\'s about a
clash of ideologies that it\'s global.

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It\'s affecting everybody in
the world that is creating

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a global elite everywhere and a
global underclass everywhere so that

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it\'s not just a North-South
division anymore

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I couldn\'t see all that then
but I could see parts of

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it This is a good deal for all
those in favor of the motion.

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Although the forward from

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St. Lawrence Hall in Toronto
we don\'t retrain debate.

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Especially addition internally with trauma

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from the debaters had been preparing for
weeks and now they say they\'re ready so

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here they are taking in
favor Peter loggies former

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premier of Alberta and Tom decanal
President of the Business Council Issues.

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Speaking against the critical reason

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why a Canadian autoworker here
now Ahmad Barbara head of

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the Council of generally and we did

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a very smart thing I think what we did
was they thought we were going to wrap

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ourselves and the flag me and women and
you know Canadian and Bob and workers

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and get all emotional the
first night so they would

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be technical hurdle they
would be emotional.

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To match it well of course they
were emotional but without

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any direction about the future of
this country and what it can do

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with trait as a trading
partner and their dream was

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these millions of training people
to trade with them we didn\'t we had

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our technical answers down
pat that night we were

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real tough and we flipped it
around let\'s be very clear

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about the facts Canada
initiated this deal for

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two reasons we said we wanted secure access
to the United States we wanted access to

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their markets and Mr. Law
heat says well we got

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that we did not get that we
did not get exempted from

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the American omnibus legislation and mismo

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Ronnie said if we didn\'t get exempted
we would have to pull out or

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he would pull out he did
not and we are still

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subject to American law if they
want to counter veil something they

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consider to be a subsidy on our side they
can still do it the Free Trade Agreement

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became a flash point of a
whole bunch of issues and we

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didn\'t understand it at the time but it
was the watershed change and then came

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the cuts to social programs and then came
the cuts to the national broadcasting

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and the National Film Board and And

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the national the national
cultural institutions

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then came the deregulation of our
environment I mean we didn\'t

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we said it but we didn\'t
understand that like we now

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understand it so that was the
watershed and being in on

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the ground floor and defining
the debate and the way we

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did was wonderful it was magic
I mean in the day I die I will

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think of that time in my life is
probably the most intense and the most

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exciting It continues the fate as part of

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an international watchdog team
that monitors the impact of

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new trade deals deals aimed at

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creating a single global economy
that could transform the world

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I just want to very quickly
tell you a little bit about

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the story of what happened to
Canada through the whole process of

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economic globalization I think
probably a lot of people in this room

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know how the process or parts of
what the process is has done to

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developing countries but perhaps
it\'s less well known that there are

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many so-called first-world countries that are
going through the exact same dismantling

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in actually very similar ways to
countries that have already gone

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through at 1015 years ago The
effects on Canada have been

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very very very powerful forests and in

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many ways some of us feel like we were
ghost from the future we we predicted this

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and are not happy to tell you that
the effects have been as we as we

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feared In the first five years

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of free trade over 6 thousand Canadian
companies worth a $140 billion.

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Were taken over by foreign
mostly American corporations.

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About one-quarter of all
manufacturing jobs were lost in

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the first five years four times the rate of

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the United States in that
recessionary period.

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Many of them from the manufacturing
heartlands of Ontario and Quebec.

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All of our transportation and
telecommunication systems have become

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North American and orientation
and public appearance

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Canadian national railway for instance

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is now c in North American the
Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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recently sold Of marketing rights of
their image to the Disney Corporation.

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Similarly the Canadian
government is dismantling

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its Environment and Natural Resource
ministries handing responsibility over to

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the provinces and the private sector

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Canada\'s forests are being plundered by
foreign-based transnational lumber companies.

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An acre of Canadian forest is clear cut

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every 12 seconds in Brazil it\'s one
every nine seconds so we are not

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doing very well at all
bankruptcies farm foreclosures

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and suicides in rural
Canada have skyrocketed.

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Our social programs have been
salvaged funding for public education

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and health has been slashed
across the board Drastic cuts

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have all have been to our
unemployment insurance

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where when Kant the Canada
US Free Trade Agreement was

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signed 87% of Canadians were eligible
for unemployment insurance now

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it is only about 40% of
us we are being told that

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this economic globalization is not an
ideology that ideology is dead it\'s

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been replaced by pragmatics
of the people who

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stand on this stage the people you\'re
going to hear this weekend are going to

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say that we absolutely
reject that we believe that

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the future is unwritten and the
pen is in our hands thank you

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very much in the past

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we\'ve had to endure the incessant
claims of the left to be the forces of

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history and the wave of the
future But now finally

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I think demonstrably the times are
on our side one country after

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another led by the United States
and Great Britain and including

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the Soviet Union and China is
emphasizing the private sector and

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indoctrinating or reacquainted
its citizens with the notion of

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the entitlement of each individual to
discretionary enjoyment of his own income with

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a minimum redistributive
impost from a government

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by the time he strolls into the
Toronto Stock Exchange to announce

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the southern takeover Conrad Black also
has the Canadian government on his side

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The competition Bureau has already
rubber stamped the deal with

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no public debate in
taking on corporate rule

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because we feel very strongly now
that we\'ve got to recognize that

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just bashing it governments when

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the power shift has been so
dramatic is no longer adequate.

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The Council of Canadians has
launched a very big fight

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for us around the whole issue of media
concentration Holland your inked and

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Hollinger International are rivaled
if at all only by finance in

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the Western world as the premier quality
newspaper company and our surpassed

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narrowly in circulation only
by Jeanette and News Corp

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Conrad black owns the third largest
newspaper corporation in the world.

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He owns holdings in England big
holdings Australia New Zealand

00:22:09.590 --> 00:22:15.843
Jerusalem he owns a 114 papers in the United
States and is buying whack more as we speak.

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He is he is the Hearse tick of Canada who

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believes in using his own the ownership of
this media to promote his political views.

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He doesn\'t like much And Canada
our politics our whether

00:22:41.929 --> 00:22:46.998
our our our values our history he does not

00:22:46.999 --> 00:22:50.763
believe in our national
social programs we became

00:22:50.764 --> 00:22:55.399
the only country in the
history of the world to

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entrench regional economic equality as

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a constitutional raison d\'etre of the country
this is ultimately an impossible concept.

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People must move to resources
not the other way round if

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Newfoundland wants the same
standard of living is L

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burden more new fund lenders
are going to have to move to

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Alberta Conrad lacks Holland

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your corporation now controls
60% of the Canadian dailies

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we have such poor legislation
competition legislation in this country

00:23:33.814 --> 00:23:37.518
that there is actually nothing to
stop him from controlling close to a

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100% below has just

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delivered the affidavit against

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the competition Bureau and
Hollinger ink to federal court.

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Now a judge will decide
if the case proceeds to

00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:58.469
trial matches tomorrow we have our press
conference than gone so you guys are great

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I think the thing for tomorrow too is

00:24:13.489 --> 00:24:17.148
the big cuts the CBC you\'re going to
be announcing announced the job cuts.

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Last week there were
saying 1400 nouns 3000s so

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as they said today in the paper 3
thousand up to three-halves appalling.

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What speed it\'s going to be the
end but I think for us not to

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get totally washed over with that
story but to raise that as a

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hooked what we\'re talking
about in terms of just at

00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.709
the same moment when we have increasing

00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:42.619
concentration of ownership
and private hands were

00:24:42.620 --> 00:24:46.414
abandoning any notion of public service
broadcaster The public sector.

00:24:46.415 --> 00:24:49.398
So if we do that then
we\'re not I don\'t want to

00:24:49.399 --> 00:24:52.428
compete the CPC stories enormously
important but we can say

00:24:52.429 --> 00:24:55.019
that there are two sides of the same coin

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the morning of the press conference
Barlow picks up lawyer Clayton Ruby.

00:25:03.035 --> 00:25:06.599
The man who lead the
council\'s court challenge

00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:12.708
right now I\'ll tell you what questions
were variables they\'re going to

00:25:12.709 --> 00:25:15.588
say you know isn\'t this I mean do you

00:25:15.589 --> 00:25:18.888
really expect to get anywhere and I
think the absolute answer is yes I mean

00:25:18.889 --> 00:25:21.304
I don\'t think we are promising
that we\'re going to win but

00:25:21.305 --> 00:25:24.109
we have to show that we\'re
serious numbers I\'m

00:25:24.110 --> 00:25:26.389
concerned we are zeros so but I just wanted

00:25:26.390 --> 00:25:30.274
to I think that\'ll be a question I think
the money part of it will be a question.

00:25:30.275 --> 00:25:33.049
So we\'re trying to think of
how to answer if they say how

00:25:33.050 --> 00:25:35.628
much is it going to cost
whether we should talk

00:25:35.629 --> 00:25:38.689
and dollar figures or we should
say we don\'t know yet a lot

00:25:38.690 --> 00:25:42.079
my general my general approach
to this is that the money stuff

00:25:42.080 --> 00:25:45.018
so real distraction for people
who lost out yeah and I\'m not

00:25:45.019 --> 00:25:48.829
the best way to handle it is simply to say
that we were putting together a fund.

00:25:48.830 --> 00:25:50.839
We\'re going to raise money
when you\'re taking on

00:25:50.840 --> 00:25:52.998
somebody to size of Poland
drunk on red black.

00:25:52.999 --> 00:25:55.279
You can never know how much
it\'s gonna cost but we\'re

00:25:55.280 --> 00:25:58.479
satisfied we\'ve got enough funds to
take us through the end Okay well I

00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.458
am so I don\'t think
detail is helpful if you

00:26:01.459 --> 00:26:04.623
just distracted distraction or how much
you get paid an hourly always ask.

00:26:04.624 --> 00:26:10.548
I never tell them good okay good
good good fine As this every time it

00:26:10.549 --> 00:26:13.669
goes when the pressure\'s
on everyone pitches

00:26:13.670 --> 00:26:17.223
in to help the counsel knows
the case was filed late.

00:26:17.224 --> 00:26:22.368
So it could be tossed out on a technicality
win or lose the goal is still the

00:26:22.369 --> 00:26:24.528
same to warn Canadians about

00:26:24.529 --> 00:26:28.773
media concentration and its potential
impact on freedom of expression.

00:26:28.774 --> 00:26:30.779
Actually

00:26:37.840 --> 00:26:40.189
curious about your connection

00:26:40.190 --> 00:26:43.654
between the constitutional
freedom of expression guarantee

00:26:43.655 --> 00:26:49.308
and how that translates into
a into a commercial DO like

00:26:49.309 --> 00:26:52.488
this Your question contains the the
very basis of what we\'re going to argue

00:26:52.489 --> 00:26:55.729
about if this is purely a
commercial deal if there\'s

00:26:55.730 --> 00:26:59.119
nothing more to buying a newspaper chain
on the wrist of buying a chain of

00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:03.949
glass repair depots or auto body
shops than you\'re absolutely right

00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:07.879
the Constitution has no place and the government
can do what it likes and the director

00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:12.694
active properly but if I\'m right.

00:27:12.695 --> 00:27:18.139
And buying a newspaper chain in
fact does divert does diminish

00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:21.198
editorial diversity and news
diversity the number of

00:27:21.199 --> 00:27:24.169
beats that get covered a number
of issues that get assessed.

00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:28.983
If that devolution is real in our view it
violates the freedom of expression guarantee.

00:27:28.984 --> 00:27:34.119
So that\'s the issue we say the
director had to examine He didn\'t.

00:27:34.120 --> 00:27:37.523
If we\'re writing law
that\'s unconstitutional.

00:27:37.524 --> 00:27:39.788
We do believe we need legislation in

00:27:39.789 --> 00:27:44.619
this country they can\'t commission
called for former royal commissions on

00:27:44.620 --> 00:27:47.528
concentration in the media have
said the two things we need to be

00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:51.368
protected from our foreign
ownership and concentration of

00:27:51.369 --> 00:27:54.069
ownership in Canada where
we have looked after one to

00:27:54.070 --> 00:27:56.858
some extent we have looked not
a tall after the other so

00:27:56.859 --> 00:28:01.118
this is a very serious issue for us of it\'s
about the fundamental issues of democracy in

00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:06.578
our country how much is the challenge
with constitutes we don\'t know.

00:28:06.579 --> 00:28:10.478
We\'re taking on two very large entities
the Government of Canada and Holland

00:28:10.479 --> 00:28:13.974
drink to a large extent.

00:28:13.975 --> 00:28:16.899
That\'ll be controlled by
them What we do hope is

00:28:16.900 --> 00:28:20.693
that we\'re here for the long haul and
that will make arrangements through

00:28:20.694 --> 00:28:23.738
raising funds and other methods
that will enable us to carry it

00:28:23.739 --> 00:28:28.268
through had critical times in
her life Barlow has always

00:28:28.269 --> 00:28:34.014
turned to the people closest to her for advice
and support people like her second husband

00:28:34.015 --> 00:28:40.343
Ottawa lawyer Andrew Davis and her lifelong
friend writer and storyteller Helen porter.

00:28:40.344 --> 00:28:42.324
Well when she was little.

00:28:42.325 --> 00:28:45.548
She was a lovely little
girl like very charming my

00:28:45.549 --> 00:28:49.178
mother when she first met mod e at an
open house in our classroom she came

00:28:49.179 --> 00:28:52.959
home and said that Modi McGrath
is a very charming Child

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:58.954
the most charming child I remember when
she graduated got her BA We were talking

00:28:58.955 --> 00:29:01.698
when we had an important
walk around Ottawa it was in

00:29:01.699 --> 00:29:05.418
the winter walked around the National Art
Center and Marty said I wonder what I

00:29:05.419 --> 00:29:07.518
could do I don\'t know what to do

00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:09.799
I just don\'t know what to do with
myself What do you think I could

00:29:09.800 --> 00:29:13.249
do the next thing I knew she was taking
assertiveness training she was into

00:29:13.250 --> 00:29:16.968
this consulting business and it
was unbelievable the changes

00:29:16.969 --> 00:29:22.969
that began to happen well I was married very
young 19 and actually got it and are still

00:29:22.970 --> 00:29:26.119
really good friends he and his
wife and Andrew and I are

00:29:26.120 --> 00:29:29.913
actually good friends which is
really important to me we\'re just.

00:29:29.914 --> 00:29:34.084
Probably too young and got it
started off on on you know playing

00:29:34.085 --> 00:29:39.543
Ozzie and Harriet and it just You know

00:29:39.544 --> 00:29:44.119
people part but the early years
with my little boys I did stay home

00:29:44.120 --> 00:29:48.559
I was I was a real Mum were
wonderful the kids got me up

00:29:48.560 --> 00:29:51.978
in the morning and the
kids for my life and just

00:29:51.979 --> 00:29:56.418
knowing just watching these two little people
and how they became who they became we

00:29:56.419 --> 00:29:59.299
kinda grew up together because
I was so young so that

00:29:59.300 --> 00:30:02.358
was very special and
then went back to school

00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:06.679
and then started to started
to see though that I had

00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:12.273
been raised with a wonderful family but
in a very traditional way but what became

00:30:12.274 --> 00:30:16.294
what punched me in the face in the
in the early 19070s was discovering

00:30:16.295 --> 00:30:21.933
feminism Was Andrea Dworkin woman hating
or Germaine Greer seminal work so

00:30:21.934 --> 00:30:25.669
I just read all of the early
works when they came out

00:30:25.670 --> 00:30:29.388
as they came out and at that time
I wasn\'t a part of anything I

00:30:29.389 --> 00:30:34.158
was a mom at home very young with two
young children and reading and digesting

00:30:34.159 --> 00:30:39.243
him by day it was almost like I would
just check how I use Jekyll and Hyde.

00:30:39.244 --> 00:30:40.668
By day I was I

00:30:40.669 --> 00:30:43.188
was the sweet little housewife
by night I was reading

00:30:43.189 --> 00:30:46.459
this stuff and transforming and I
remember going into this dinner party

00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:51.604
with my my very lovely husband and
and people were talking dismissing

00:30:51.605 --> 00:30:54.889
feminist concerns and so angry almost fit

00:30:54.890 --> 00:30:58.218
my piece across the table and he looked at
me and they looked at me and I thought.

00:30:58.219 --> 00:31:06.219
Oh Mountains in there something\'s really
bursting in there when the Dan finally broke

00:31:08.345 --> 00:31:12.604
Barlow joined the fight for
women\'s rights within a few years

00:31:12.605 --> 00:31:17.149
she was advising corporations like the
CBC on affirmative action programs for

00:31:17.150 --> 00:31:20.989
women and lecturing veteran police
officers on how to deal with

00:31:20.990 --> 00:31:24.948
victims of rape and wife assault
and it was very difficult

00:31:24.949 --> 00:31:26.838
those first few classes because these were

00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.978
senior police officers from all over the
country and as one of them said it\'s

00:31:30.979 --> 00:31:33.139
my job to protect you and here you

00:31:33.140 --> 00:31:35.478
are standing here as a figure of
authority and I don\'t know how

00:31:35.479 --> 00:31:37.518
to deal with So they would really try to

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.369
unsettled me They came in and
they put playboy and Pintos

00:31:40.370 --> 00:31:43.969
pin-ups all around the paper the
wall I said Well now you\'ve spent

00:31:43.970 --> 00:31:47.658
all your loads in one place if
you just had to find a way of

00:31:47.659 --> 00:31:51.528
dealing with it where you didn\'t
give into it but at the same time

00:31:51.529 --> 00:31:55.999
you had some sense of humor
about it or whatever

00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:01.188
follows knack for handling people was
an asset in her next job as director of

00:32:01.189 --> 00:32:07.954
Equal Opportunity for the city of Ottawa it
also came in handy for her next major battle.

00:32:07.955 --> 00:32:11.358
Joining with thousands of
Canadian women to form

00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:14.809
the National Coalition against
Media pornography Barlow

00:32:14.810 --> 00:32:16.669
made headlines across the country in

00:32:16.670 --> 00:32:19.229
her first national debate

00:32:19.300 --> 00:32:25.518
More headlines followed when women for
justice launched a groundbreaking lawsuit.

00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.309
Using the Human Rights Act.

00:32:28.310 --> 00:32:35.149
They argued that women prisoners were entitled
to better living conditions and one by

00:32:35.150 --> 00:32:39.589
1983 even the prime minister knew
that Barlow was a force to be

00:32:39.590 --> 00:32:45.153
reckoned with when she got the Trudeau
job working with Pierre Trudeau as his.

00:32:45.154 --> 00:32:49.219
Looking over his business
with women\'s affairs.

00:32:49.220 --> 00:32:53.389
I remember being But then I\'d

00:32:53.390 --> 00:32:57.618
seen her talk you know about pornography
on the television and she\'d done

00:32:57.619 --> 00:33:00.798
extremely well I saw it
was just getting used to

00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.068
this power that was starting
to really come out I said yes

00:33:04.069 --> 00:33:07.338
because the opportunity
to have influence at

00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:11.029
that level was just absolutely i
mean when you were immersed in

00:33:11.030 --> 00:33:14.958
women\'s issues the way I was going to
be offered this kind of opportunity

00:33:14.959 --> 00:33:19.203
to shape the government the entire
government platform was wonderful.

00:33:19.204 --> 00:33:24.408
A few months after her appointment Trudeau
resigned and Barlow never got the chance to

00:33:24.409 --> 00:33:30.093
put her plans into action but she did make
important contacts in the Liberal Party.

00:33:30.094 --> 00:33:35.418
By the time the 1988 election rolled
around Barlow was a staunch supporter of

00:33:35.419 --> 00:33:37.939
liberal leader John Turner\'s stand against

00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:43.069
free trade and she decided to seek the
party nomination in her home riding.

00:33:43.070 --> 00:33:46.683
Despite her popularity anti Turner liberals

00:33:46.684 --> 00:33:50.719
challenged her nomination
and Barlow face defeat.

00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.234
What I learned about
myself from this is that

00:33:55.235 --> 00:34:00.498
nobody is safe from being
co-opted including me what I

00:34:00.499 --> 00:34:03.348
fear about myself is
what I would have done I

00:34:03.349 --> 00:34:06.439
have been swept up what I have
stopped listening to the people

00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:09.438
that I have lost connection
with the people that you

00:34:09.439 --> 00:34:12.739
most must represent whether in
your and my type of politics and I

00:34:12.740 --> 00:34:15.889
think I am in politics or when
or when you\'re in that kind of

00:34:15.890 --> 00:34:19.458
scenario and I I like to think I would have

00:34:19.459 --> 00:34:21.844
stepped away from it I like to
think I would have walked away

00:34:21.845 --> 00:34:24.978
particularly when the party
passed nafta I\'m quite

00:34:24.979 --> 00:34:29.058
sure that would have been my
Waterloo but you know who knows in

00:34:29.059 --> 00:34:33.408
the deepest part of the night if
they would Things that go bump in

00:34:33.409 --> 00:34:36.559
the night would I have and
I\'m just glad I don\'t I

00:34:36.560 --> 00:34:39.979
didn\'t have to even make that horrible
decision that I\'m out here now

00:34:39.980 --> 00:34:42.528
and I would never go into that
process again I\'m sure of

00:34:42.529 --> 00:34:50.529
it After leaving mainstream politics Barlow
was elected head of the Council of Canadians.

00:34:51.025 --> 00:34:55.809
There she began a careful study
of Canada\'s past what she

00:34:55.810 --> 00:34:57.218
found was the history of

00:34:57.219 --> 00:35:01.973
a passionate people who had fought for
a different kind of social vision.

00:35:01.974 --> 00:35:04.868
It was during the twin crucibles of

00:35:04.869 --> 00:35:09.009
the Depression and the Second World War
that it became clear that capitalism

00:35:09.010 --> 00:35:12.429
was not working In fact in
the 1939 capitalism was

00:35:12.430 --> 00:35:17.210
put on trial by the people in this
country and it came from the bottom up

00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:23.139
came from the minds and the and
the fishing communities and

00:35:23.140 --> 00:35:27.959
the farms and out of the kitchens and
out of the factories it came from

00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.278
The bottom up that people said
the system is not working for

00:35:31.279 --> 00:35:34.788
the majority there is a small
elite that\'s doing very well

00:35:34.789 --> 00:35:42.394
thank you very much but it\'s not working
faced with economic devastation.

00:35:42.395 --> 00:35:45.888
Thousands of ordinary Canadians
hit the streets to protest in the

00:35:45.889 --> 00:35:49.608
1939 even though the
government was spending money

00:35:49.609 --> 00:35:57.199
on relief protesters felt that the money
wasn\'t being spent the right way what people

00:35:57.200 --> 00:36:00.108
don\'t know is that the federal
government in the 130s spent

00:36:00.109 --> 00:36:05.044
more money on social relief it wasn\'t
called social programs just on relief.

00:36:05.045 --> 00:36:09.048
Then it would as a percentage of total
government spending again until the end of

00:36:09.049 --> 00:36:14.749
the 19 sixties But they gave it to the
municipalities to do with what they wanted.

00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:20.088
So a lot of the municipalities used it
for to send inspectors into homes to

00:36:20.089 --> 00:36:25.723
see if you were hiding food or to hire extra
police to get the vagrants out of downtown.

00:36:25.724 --> 00:36:28.878
Money was used to put men and
boot camps or work camps to put

00:36:28.879 --> 00:36:34.170
prison uniforms on these are unemployed
people that\'s a whole they\'d done

00:36:43.870 --> 00:36:48.169
so in other words because
there was no such notion as

00:36:48.170 --> 00:36:53.179
universal rights or national Programs
or rights that you had from one end

00:36:53.180 --> 00:36:57.109
to the country to the other
that were for us all that money

00:36:57.110 --> 00:37:01.714
ended up being blown away
in a patchwork of of of

00:37:01.715 --> 00:37:05.478
terrible programs and
punitive programs and so

00:37:05.479 --> 00:37:10.008
that experience that Canadians went
through Said taught taught us that we

00:37:10.009 --> 00:37:13.339
fundamentally had to look at something
different and the whole notion of

00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:18.108
universality than was was the
predominant ideology that we

00:37:18.109 --> 00:37:23.929
turn to we build what I

00:37:23.930 --> 00:37:25.788
call ribbons of interdependence through

00:37:25.789 --> 00:37:30.094
these social programs because we
saw that any of us could get sick.

00:37:30.095 --> 00:37:36.769
Any of us could lose a job In our lives
all of us need this social structure.

00:37:36.770 --> 00:37:40.669
Those are our social
rights as citizens and i

00:37:40.670 --> 00:37:44.389
believe that that\'s the same thing
in a family fundamentally different

00:37:44.390 --> 00:37:50.223
than the way the right talks about family
which is all you are is an individual unit

00:37:50.224 --> 00:37:53.178
you are responsible for your
children you\'re responsible for

00:37:53.179 --> 00:37:54.648
your old people you\'re responsible for

00:37:54.649 --> 00:37:57.078
your own poverty if you don\'t
have a job it\'s your fault.

00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.379
So the family is an
individual unit as opposed to

00:38:00.380 --> 00:38:03.979
the way I look at it which is a
collection of connections and never

00:38:03.980 --> 00:38:06.750
ending rolling of connections

00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:17.224
Want social programs just to help the poor.

00:38:17.225 --> 00:38:23.553
We actually wanted them to be used to narrow
the gap between rich and poor TB used as

00:38:23.554 --> 00:38:26.269
equalizers in our society and so they

00:38:26.270 --> 00:38:30.363
60s is when the great social programs
that are now being dismantled.

00:38:30.364 --> 00:38:36.408
Were brought together healthcare
pensions spammy allowance. All right.

00:38:36.409 --> 00:38:38.538
I\'m derived the angles and I\'m from things

00:38:38.539 --> 00:38:41.524
on the first question we
need to address is what will

00:38:41.525 --> 00:38:46.893
be abandonment of national standards
mean to our conception of one nation.

00:38:46.894 --> 00:38:49.279
I think a lot of people
and I would I would even

00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.948
include a lot of activists across
the country have given up on

00:38:51.949 --> 00:38:54.528
the notion of universality that it

00:38:54.529 --> 00:38:59.629
was That we feel that it\'s gone
it\'s too late and that we\'ve

00:38:59.630 --> 00:39:03.198
got to shift now to a concept of
what can we save from what we

00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:08.088
had as opposed to saying we\'ve got to hold
the line on the notion of universality.

00:39:08.089 --> 00:39:11.509
And I think that we need
to name that and this

00:39:11.510 --> 00:39:15.259
workshop because we\'ve
lost it in pensions we\'ve

00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:17.704
lost it on social
assistance we\'ve lost it on

00:39:17.705 --> 00:39:22.699
post-secondary education and we\'ve
lost it on on family allowance.

00:39:22.700 --> 00:39:25.623
If we end universality than the wealthy.

00:39:25.624 --> 00:39:28.878
Say to themselves very quickly
why should I be paying taxes for

00:39:28.879 --> 00:39:32.239
other people\'s Medicare I pay for
my own in the broadest perspective

00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:35.779
what we\'re about here is
demanding of the elite That

00:39:35.780 --> 00:39:41.539
they resign the Social Contract was
shocked doesn\'t come when the cuts are

00:39:41.540 --> 00:39:46.099
made the shock comes when you go
to go to your hospital and it\'s

00:39:46.100 --> 00:39:48.288
no longer there you know when
you\'re when you\'re gonna

00:39:48.289 --> 00:39:51.123
have an asthmatic attack and you\'re
being rushed to the hospital.

00:39:51.124 --> 00:39:55.158
You don\'t think to law be the
administrators you\'re going in you\'re

00:39:55.159 --> 00:40:00.319
unable Those are the least likely
people to be able to take up

00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.229
any activist kind of work
but and there have been

00:40:03.230 --> 00:40:07.173
some dramatic stories coming out
of Albert I mean people losing

00:40:07.174 --> 00:40:08.569
livable. People

00:40:08.570 --> 00:40:16.570
have died Weaning

00:40:17.720 --> 00:40:20.599
our government\'s away from
excessive social spending will be

00:40:20.600 --> 00:40:26.299
an excruciating process but it is in my
judgment and inevitable one but task of

00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:28.833
Canadian conservatives is to apply

00:40:28.834 --> 00:40:33.439
a responsible pressures to assist this
process to make it as painless and

00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:41.238
uncontroversial as possible it is not true
that conservatives don\'t care they often care.

00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:45.499
Far more than those who would
addict the disadvantage to

00:40:45.500 --> 00:40:50.958
welfare and confide the allocation
of prosperity to the state.

00:40:50.959 --> 00:40:54.379
What happened in Canada and this has

00:40:54.380 --> 00:40:57.588
been this has been mirrored in
pretty well every country in

00:40:57.589 --> 00:41:04.854
the world Is that as soon as this notion of
social rights was established a backlash.

00:41:04.855 --> 00:41:09.458
But a really organized backlash
to place two things happen one is

00:41:09.459 --> 00:41:14.828
that big business came together to form
a powerful corporate lobby group in

00:41:14.829 --> 00:41:18.158
the United States it was called the
Business Roundtable in candidates

00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.998
the Business Council and national
issues there the a 160 most

00:41:21.999 --> 00:41:24.668
powerful corporations in
the country they knew

00:41:24.669 --> 00:41:27.608
they had to set up their think
tanks and get themselves into

00:41:27.609 --> 00:41:31.179
newspapers and into the media
and start to establish

00:41:31.180 --> 00:41:35.870
and their priorities back into the
consciousness of the Canadian people

00:41:49.650 --> 00:41:55.598
What\'s most distressing I guess is
how governments including ours and I

00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.773
really would say in some cases especially
ours Canada has especially capitulated.

00:42:00.774 --> 00:42:05.389
Have just said Uncle depending on

00:42:14.610 --> 00:42:18.788
the question you\'re asking is the
most crucial one that\'s being debated

00:42:18.789 --> 00:42:22.119
in our country today because of
course like most countries we

00:42:22.120 --> 00:42:24.319
are living with a very serious Debt and

00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.829
a very serious deficit and so the
crucial argument that has been

00:42:27.830 --> 00:42:30.768
used and of course free trade
has been the principal tool to

00:42:30.769 --> 00:42:34.563
force it is that we can\'t afford
the social programs anymore.

00:42:34.564 --> 00:42:37.383
We\'ve simply become
bankrupt and there is not

00:42:37.384 --> 00:42:40.699
a study anywhere in our country and
I\'ve yet to see one anywhere in

00:42:40.700 --> 00:42:44.208
the world that can show the
social programs public education

00:42:44.209 --> 00:42:47.959
public health have been in any way
responsible for the debt and deficit

00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.949
in fact a major Canadian study
done by the government and then

00:42:51.950 --> 00:42:55.908
it was attempted to hide it by
the former government who first

00:42:55.909 --> 00:42:58.548
brought us the free trade
agreement found very very

00:42:58.549 --> 00:43:01.339
clearly that our debt and deficit
are due to three things one is

00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:04.308
structural unemployment Which
is delivered unemployment which

00:43:04.309 --> 00:43:07.309
is the policy by the way of the
Walmarts of the world the second is

00:43:07.310 --> 00:43:10.219
high interest rate policies had
the third and most important and

00:43:10.220 --> 00:43:13.384
this comes from the finance
department in the Canadian government

00:43:13.385 --> 00:43:18.900
is that corporations are no longer paying
their fair share of taxes 20 years ago

00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:24.303
corporations Canadian
corporations accounted for

00:43:24.304 --> 00:43:26.839
about an equal amount of income tax taken

00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:30.229
in 5050 with citizens last year
in our country they accounted

00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:34.099
for only 7.5% of all money\'s taken

00:43:34.100 --> 00:43:37.998
in there is enough money in this world to
pay for every school and hospital that we

00:43:37.999 --> 00:43:42.079
need if we had the guts to go after it
and that\'s the decisions we have to

00:43:42.080 --> 00:43:50.080
make We have got to deal with
this debt and deficit myth.

00:43:51.949 --> 00:43:55.279
Because what has happened is
that it has been carried by

00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:59.224
this infrastructure that
we\'ve been talking about

00:43:59.225 --> 00:44:03.229
with the Business Council and
the business lobby groups with

00:44:03.230 --> 00:44:09.264
the think tanks through the corporate controlled
media through business schools and in

00:44:09.265 --> 00:44:13.009
universities and so on through
political language and through

00:44:13.010 --> 00:44:17.689
political parties so that most Canadians
now have bought this and it\'s

00:44:17.690 --> 00:44:22.113
very hard to get the facts
back out to them that having

00:44:22.114 --> 00:44:27.064
the right to have decent social
programs and education and health

00:44:27.065 --> 00:44:30.229
Not only is not the cost of
debt and deficit that is one of

00:44:30.230 --> 00:44:33.499
the only hopes for a nation or
for the peoples of the world

00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:36.468
to pull themselves up
collectively out of poverty it\'s

00:44:36.469 --> 00:44:39.918
enormously important to
deal with it it seems to me

00:44:39.919 --> 00:44:47.148
that with all due respect globalization
is a reality and with that reality we get

00:44:47.149 --> 00:44:49.984
some good things and we
get some bad things the

00:44:49.985 --> 00:44:54.889
anxiety that comes from
globalization or from trade.

00:44:54.890 --> 00:45:02.284
I think has generated a great deal by change
in change That faces people who are not

00:45:02.285 --> 00:45:10.203
equipped to deal with change first of
all globalization is not inevitable.

00:45:10.204 --> 00:45:14.268
It\'s not like the earth
there for us to deal

00:45:14.269 --> 00:45:18.648
with it has been negotiated
with a lot of problems.

00:45:18.649 --> 00:45:22.969
Now the figures given for India according
to get assessments are that we would

00:45:22.970 --> 00:45:27.318
have a $2 billion increase
in trade annually.

00:45:27.319 --> 00:45:31.058
It turns out that just because
we have cattle that pull

00:45:31.059 --> 00:45:35.479
cuts and plows we are
avoiding a billion dollars of

00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.929
imports in oil that is half of

00:45:38.930 --> 00:45:44.784
all the promise growth out of gas What
I\'m curious about in India and Canada.

00:45:44.785 --> 00:45:48.833
If there\'s so many complaints about the
situation why do they why did they

00:45:48.834 --> 00:45:53.619
the Prime Ministers of 33
prime ministers since nafta

00:45:53.620 --> 00:45:56.918
all had been in favor of
it I think I\'m talking

00:45:56.919 --> 00:46:00.159
to the minority people here they have a
right to speak and they have a right to

00:46:00.160 --> 00:46:02.798
their point of view but I
would point out they lost in

00:46:02.799 --> 00:46:05.919
our country why did we get another
government that supported nafta

00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.274
that\'s a very important
question for us because

00:46:08.275 --> 00:46:11.318
the government that we throw out the
government that brought us nafta

00:46:11.319 --> 00:46:14.018
and the Canada US free trade
agreement they they\'re down to

00:46:14.019 --> 00:46:17.439
two members in the House of Commons
now we elected a government that

00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.799
promised like Clinton promised
Clinton said he never pass

00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:27.108
Bush\'s nafta Zhang Christiana said he would
never pass Brian Maronties nafta and they

00:46:27.109 --> 00:46:30.739
were not in power even several

00:46:30.740 --> 00:46:35.193
weeks before they said We have no
choice and they were almost openly in

00:46:35.194 --> 00:46:37.158
expressing the fact that
they had been told by

00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.318
the international financial
community that this

00:46:39.319 --> 00:46:41.719
was a done deal that there was
absolutely no way to get out of

00:46:41.720 --> 00:46:45.199
it and they broke their promises
within a month of being elected to

00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:48.888
office and they now openly say it so it has

00:46:48.889 --> 00:46:51.438
left profound questions about the nature of

00:46:51.439 --> 00:46:55.084
democracy in our country the hearts and
minds of canadians never accepted it

00:46:55.085 --> 00:46:58.129
the great majority of us
rejected it at the time

00:46:58.130 --> 00:47:01.429
and the great majority and polls still
say that it\'s been a failure for

00:47:01.430 --> 00:47:05.959
Canadian so it raises some very serious questions
about the whole nature of democracy for

00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:13.960
us Is it the case

00:47:15.259 --> 00:47:18.768
that the other team believes that

00:47:18.769 --> 00:47:24.990
the world that the economic process of the
world essentially are driven by a conspiracy.

00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:31.578
That\'s my question do you believe that
because I disagree with that idea I

00:47:31.579 --> 00:47:36.379
think that in fact the economic processes
of the world are incredibly decentralized.

00:47:36.380 --> 00:47:39.798
I have a broader a larger
definition of democracy than you

00:47:39.799 --> 00:47:43.248
have your definition includes
people sitting and discussing

00:47:43.249 --> 00:47:45.873
and voting and making their rules and I

00:47:45.874 --> 00:47:49.128
applaud that and I agree with that
too but My definition is also larger

00:47:49.129 --> 00:47:51.903
include something else it
includes the ability of

00:47:51.904 --> 00:47:56.388
each family to Hannah a freedom of
choice of what it wants to buy and

00:47:56.389 --> 00:47:59.988
where it wants to buy it from and
if the small group that\'s voting

00:47:59.989 --> 00:48:03.918
says no this family is going to
be forbidden to buy what they

00:48:03.919 --> 00:48:07.758
want to buy from where they want to buy
it that seems to me of repression that I

00:48:07.759 --> 00:48:12.870
oppose rather than think that it\'s a
conspiracy I would call it organized greed.

00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.374
When you talk about it
not being centralized

00:48:20.375 --> 00:48:23.044
system not being centralized I
want to remind you that about

00:48:23.045 --> 00:48:26.778
a 136 countries in the
world are smaller than

00:48:26.779 --> 00:48:32.718
the 50 largest corporations in this
world This is not my statistic this is

00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.859
a fact and when I am challenged
on this conspiracy theory

00:48:36.860 --> 00:48:42.754
I am reminded of the two cows
on a hillside in one says

00:48:42.755 --> 00:48:45.108
oh you and your conspiracy
theories while the others

00:48:45.109 --> 00:48:48.840
reading of a pamphlet about
where beef really comes from

00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:56.688
my friend Mr. Freeman worked
long and hard to open

00:48:56.689 --> 00:49:01.799
the doors for American Express
around the world there is a lobby

00:49:06.670 --> 00:49:12.318
the notion of of of the Economic rights and

00:49:12.319 --> 00:49:17.238
particularly corporate economic rights now
being more fundamental than democracy and

00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:20.854
impact the Fraser Institute says
that that they would curtail

00:49:20.855 --> 00:49:23.599
democratic rights in order
to promote what they

00:49:23.600 --> 00:49:27.244
call economic freedom they
actually go that far.

00:49:27.245 --> 00:49:31.638
That whole ideology requires
a change in the way

00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.288
people see themselves and their
rights and so we no longer think of

00:49:36.289 --> 00:49:40.054
government delivering social
programs but rather producing

00:49:40.055 --> 00:49:46.143
a product and people seeking health
care or education are consumers

00:49:46.144 --> 00:49:50.388
now where does this stop
well we\'re talking in

00:49:50.389 --> 00:49:54.469
this country about privatizing
prisons Privatizing roads

00:49:54.470 --> 00:49:59.238
privatizing schools privatizing
parts of our huge parts of

00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:04.519
our health care system I think that it\'s
clear that there will come a time when

00:50:04.520 --> 00:50:08.238
we\'ll be talking about private
police and security and we

00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:11.959
will have people who live in
communities probably gated where

00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:17.269
they pay for security at the
front and surveillance and

00:50:17.270 --> 00:50:20.433
superior healthcare and superior schools

00:50:20.434 --> 00:50:23.689
and they will leave those who
cannot afford that dream.

00:50:23.690 --> 00:50:31.690
Outside and I get this image of walled
wealth And masses of of of poor

00:50:33.979 --> 00:50:37.668
and if Canadians think that for some
reason this isn\'t going to happen to

00:50:37.669 --> 00:50:41.013
them I just I just beg us to wake up

00:50:41.014 --> 00:50:44.749
I mean what makes us think we\'re
so special are so different that

00:50:44.750 --> 00:50:50.400
the gated communities of Mexico will
not exist in Toronto and Vancouver.

00:50:52.560 --> 00:50:55.978
The Council of Canadians
has lost its bid to have

00:50:55.979 --> 00:50:59.588
Conrad Black\'s purchase of the
seldom newspaper group overturned.

00:50:59.589 --> 00:51:03.543
Justice but column of the Federal Court
of Canada ruled that the group missed

00:51:03.544 --> 00:51:06.408
a 30-day period to appeal
the takeover approval

00:51:06.409 --> 00:51:09.318
last May The takeover left black Collinger

00:51:09.319 --> 00:51:11.388
incorporated in control
of more than a half of

00:51:11.389 --> 00:51:13.548
the country\'s daily newspapers

00:51:13.549 --> 00:51:19.129
the decision was partly on the
30 days arguing that we didn\'t

00:51:19.130 --> 00:51:25.698
have just reason for the delay but the
more interesting part of the decision

00:51:25.699 --> 00:51:28.849
was was the argument around standing
and saying that we actually had

00:51:28.850 --> 00:51:33.499
no right to be before the court to take
this case before the court because

00:51:33.500 --> 00:51:36.769
according to the judge
we weren\'t commercially

00:51:36.770 --> 00:51:40.924
affected if we were a corporation
say that was a major advertiser

00:51:40.925 --> 00:51:43.129
they probably would have said yeah
you are commercially affected

00:51:43.130 --> 00:51:45.319
therefore you have standing
or the right to stand before

00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.229
the coordinate it\'s so appalling
about this decision is that they\'re

00:51:48.230 --> 00:51:51.409
basically saying that
Only those who have money

00:51:51.410 --> 00:51:55.249
have to be heard at the
competition Bureau and and that

00:51:55.250 --> 00:52:00.349
the Competition Act is not there to protect
the rights of ordinary citizens but only to

00:52:00.350 --> 00:52:02.178
some sort of narrow understanding of

00:52:02.179 --> 00:52:05.479
what advertising revenues might\'ve been
affected I even think they\'re wrong on that of

00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:09.468
course is that I mean it\'s not totally
unprecedented but because the case we are

00:52:09.469 --> 00:52:14.029
bringing forward concern and freedom
of expression and free speech.

00:52:14.030 --> 00:52:18.019
What they\'ve done is they\'ve interpreted those
things again as in previous religion in

00:52:18.020 --> 00:52:21.078
very narrow commercial sense as
we argue this isn\'t they\'re not

00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:25.018
widgets newspapers aren\'t witches
newspapers so they are cheaper.

00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:33.019
That\'s lovely After the first round
the council launches and appeal loses

00:52:34.460 --> 00:52:38.118
a second time and is forced to pay
Hollinger a thousand dollars in

00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:46.119
court costs but the battle isn\'t over yet.

00:52:46.445 --> 00:52:49.968
Outside the Toronto Stock
Exchange Council members

00:52:49.969 --> 00:52:53.208
get ready to confront Hollinger\'s
shareholders as they arrive for

00:52:53.209 --> 00:53:00.198
their annual general meeting Barlow
takes every opportunity to warn people

00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:01.518
about the implications of

00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:08.133
the court\'s decision the person she
really wants to talk to is Conrad Black.

00:53:08.134 --> 00:53:11.099
She\'s gotta check to deliver

00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:23.378
In the end Barlow has to settle for
a chat with Holland your president

00:53:23.379 --> 00:53:27.934
David Radler blacks business
partner for more than 20 years.

00:53:27.935 --> 00:53:31.999
Mr. Radler has a few words of
advice on how to solve the problem

00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.840
of media concentration
newspapers that\'s all

00:53:40.210 --> 00:53:46.259
that\'s all hard work

00:53:48.460 --> 00:53:54.333
when news arrives that black has appeared
at the meeting Barlow heads inside.

00:53:54.334 --> 00:54:00.288
She doesn\'t own stock in the company so she
can\'t speak but proxy shareholder Gail m

00:54:00.289 --> 00:54:06.378
can Mr. Black on Gail Lamb and I\'m here also
with mod Barlow of the Council of Canadians.

00:54:06.379 --> 00:54:08.719
With whom as you know
we have been working in

00:54:08.720 --> 00:54:12.559
the campaign for Cress and broadcasts
and freedom on the issue of

00:54:12.560 --> 00:54:17.149
media concentration and
we\'re not reassured by

00:54:17.150 --> 00:54:22.128
your comments you know newspapers are not
just word factories and they\'re more

00:54:22.129 --> 00:54:26.478
than just profit machines
there The Press has

00:54:26.479 --> 00:54:31.909
an integral role to play in democracy
and you\'re increasing ownership of

00:54:31.910 --> 00:54:33.288
the media in this country is

00:54:33.289 --> 00:54:36.799
a dangerous development And I think
that your comments today and

00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:40.399
particularly your comments on Quebec
really showed that and what you\'re

00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.284
really doing is buying power and influence.

00:54:44.285 --> 00:54:46.233
When you purchase these newspapers.

00:54:46.234 --> 00:54:50.178
Instead of running for election and
if you want that kind of power and

00:54:50.179 --> 00:54:54.589
influence you should respect
the democratic process And run

00:54:54.590 --> 00:54:58.639
for election and let the newspapers
play the role of they really need to

00:54:58.640 --> 00:55:03.168
play in this country that that
that social role that is far

00:55:03.169 --> 00:55:07.909
more than just making money yet these
visitations from representatives

00:55:07.910 --> 00:55:12.888
of organized labor supplemented by
the so-called Council of Canadians

00:55:12.889 --> 00:55:16.909
today are really getting a
little tiresome they are quite

00:55:16.910 --> 00:55:20.958
obviously to all of you who going through

00:55:20.959 --> 00:55:28.959
this sequence with us publicity seeking methods
for putting forth the idea that we are

00:55:30.620 --> 00:55:33.499
a menace to diversity and does
the speaker has just said to

00:55:33.500 --> 00:55:38.058
democracy She is quite right not to be

00:55:38.059 --> 00:55:42.528
reassured by what we have done
if I were in her position with

00:55:42.529 --> 00:55:45.589
her perspective advocating
what she advocates

00:55:45.590 --> 00:55:49.023
I wouldn\'t find the performance of
this company very reassuring either.

00:55:49.024 --> 00:55:52.999
And what Muslim and her
colleagues are asking us to do

00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:56.899
is ignore the desire of the
readers ignore the interests of

00:55:56.900 --> 00:56:00.199
the shareholders savage that commercial
interest of the company missing

00:56:00.200 --> 00:56:04.054
form the public and run propaganda
sheets for their benefit

00:56:04.055 --> 00:56:07.668
unrepresentative as they are if
that is what you want you\'re not

00:56:07.669 --> 00:56:11.954
gonna get it from us but you\'re perfectly
free to set up your own newspapers.

00:56:11.955 --> 00:56:14.160
Thank you

00:56:23.260 --> 00:56:24.678
No one

00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.469
at the Council has plans
to start a newspaper.

00:56:27.470 --> 00:56:31.729
But they do plan to continue the
battle against media concentration.

00:56:31.730 --> 00:56:37.489
Black may have won this round but the council
has emerged with another kind of victory.

00:56:37.490 --> 00:56:41.419
Since launching the campaign
council membership has almost

00:56:41.420 --> 00:56:45.199
doubled to more than 100
thousand for Barlow.

00:56:45.200 --> 00:56:49.188
It\'s an important when in a
much larger struggle and I\'ll

00:56:49.189 --> 00:56:53.298
just tell you a personal story of my own
parents my mother and father celebrated

00:56:53.299 --> 00:56:56.779
their 50th wedding anniversary
in June and it was one of

00:56:56.780 --> 00:57:00.498
the loveliest things I\'ve ever been
part of this at my house and it

00:57:00.499 --> 00:57:03.048
was just wonderful and I got thinking about

00:57:03.049 --> 00:57:06.588
stories that my mom used to tell me
about how they met my mother was

00:57:06.589 --> 00:57:09.378
20 years old and I\'m
married to a boy who was

00:57:09.379 --> 00:57:13.218
20 years old and he went off to join
the RAF they\'d only been married

00:57:13.219 --> 00:57:16.579
six weeks and he said at the
airport I won\'t be home

00:57:16.580 --> 00:57:20.478
so have a good life and I but I
won\'t I know I won\'t be home

00:57:20.479 --> 00:57:24.049
and he wasn\'t he was shot down
over the English Channel and

00:57:24.050 --> 00:57:28.089
meanwhile my own dad from the same
community was often the war he was command

00:57:28.090 --> 00:57:30.439
over five years now she
held emits very sweet

00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.488
he had a date with the young woman that
live next door to my grandmother\'s

00:57:34.489 --> 00:57:37.548
than he was then and is now
absent minded and came up

00:57:37.549 --> 00:57:44.448
the wrong stairs My my my
my my grandmother said

00:57:44.449 --> 00:57:47.658
here comes Billy McGrath and
she had a big grin she always

00:57:47.659 --> 00:57:50.929
had her eye on him even though
he was Irish and Scottish

00:57:50.930 --> 00:57:53.838
which meant a lot to me maybe like
that right but she forgave him

00:57:53.839 --> 00:57:56.868
for that uniform upbeat was coming up

00:57:56.869 --> 00:57:58.758
the stairs and my grandmother
turned around she

00:57:58.759 --> 00:58:01.129
said you listened to me Florey
building regress coming up

00:58:01.130 --> 00:58:03.439
those stairs coming in this
house he\'s going to marry

00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.288
you and she said if you can\'t do
it get in the kitchen all look

00:58:06.289 --> 00:58:10.309
after them and he came up the stairs and he

00:58:10.310 --> 00:58:15.359
said to my grandma Do I have the right
house she said You sure do billing McGrath

00:58:16.630 --> 00:58:20.868
and they were in fact Mary
free monthly than I tell

00:58:20.869 --> 00:58:24.289
you this because my dad said We
didn\'t go away I didn\'t lose

00:58:24.290 --> 00:58:27.498
my best friend and your mother
didn\'t lose her first house bill for

00:58:27.499 --> 00:58:31.908
you guys to let everything we
fight for Google and I think if

00:58:31.909 --> 00:58:35.509
they forgive what they gave How
dare we give this up without

00:58:35.510 --> 00:58:41.789
a fight so I would I say to you I

00:58:41.790 --> 00:58:45.858
say to you that every write
reseed that they fought

00:58:45.859 --> 00:58:50.899
for is a way of dishonoring them
and I won\'t do it and every time

00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:54.093
we see a right that belongs to our children

00:58:54.094 --> 00:58:59.238
that diminishes their future shame on
us there are people in this country

00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.189
and not just people who
went to war people who

00:59:01.190 --> 00:59:03.589
fought for labor rights and
women\'s rights and for

00:59:03.590 --> 00:59:06.409
decent social conditions
in this country who

00:59:06.410 --> 00:59:10.324
lived and fought and went to
prison and some cases died.

00:59:10.325 --> 00:59:14.839
So that we could have what we have and I
tell you it will probably take the rest of

00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.179
our lives even to turn this
start to turn this around

00:59:17.180 --> 00:59:20.029
but then what else have we got to do.

00:59:20.030 --> 00:59:21.959
Thank you

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.309
Wait

01:00:07.270 --> 01:00:09.599
Yes