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America is in love with motors. In
this country, it\'s all about getting

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from point a to point b. Get me there
safely, comfortably, and fast.

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Automobiles have effectively changed
our relationship with nature.

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On a weekend, one can drive almost
anywhere, as a result, people believe

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they can and should squeeze as
much as possible into a trip.

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In some ways, the windshield has become a TV
screen with passing scenery just another show.

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Hand over the clicker, step on the gas,

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turn nature on, turn nature off.

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Despite the automobiles\' power and shaping our
cultural identity, it still has its limitations.

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America\'s back country and water ways
(inaudible) are inaccessible to many cars.

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As a solution, we\'ve invented
motorized toys to play with.

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The growth, and popularity, and sophistication of this machines
is a testament to ouer desire to explore anywhere and everywhere.

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To some, motorized recreation is viewed as the
logical combination of our national obsession

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for dominion over nature.

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There are three major classes of ORV\'s,

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Motorcycles, sport utility
vehicles, and snow mobiles.

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Percentage wise off road vehicles or ORV\'s
have consistently ranked well below

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non-motorized activities on America\'s
national land. Nonetheless,

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enthusiast number in millions, A average
ORV drives covers over 200 miles per month

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or 2,400 miles per year.

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The number of sport utility
vehicles sold in 1982 were 40,000.

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In 10 years, it has risen to 1.1 million.
Over a five year stretch

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in the early to mid 90\'s, ORV
sales increased dramatically.

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Snow mobile sale more than
double, from 78 to 168 thousand,

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when an average snow mobile
costing above $6,000.

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In this five year stretch, jet ski
sales nearly tripled to 191 thousand

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with price tags upto $9,000.

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ATV number has skyrocketed 150 thousand
to 300 thousand in a five year period.

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These machines can cost
between $ 3 and 7 thousand.

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From 1977 to 1993,

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the number of ORV users rose over
900%, reaching a total of 38 million.

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This rise in users has seen a course mining
presence on public lands and water ways.

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Many people support expanding trail
systems. Many more oppose such action.

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The result has become an all-out war for the
America\'s public lands the battleground.

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[sil.]

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Evaluating the equipment, it affects the value for fisheries,
what\'s happened up there, what\'s happen up on top.

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I\'m here and you say here today this isn\'t fit for anybody
to use or shall we close it to everybody down there with,

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where we are parked? What I\'m saying
is, just getting to the point.

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Now, don\'t be groaned. I mean, that\'s
what we are talking about, here.

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Yes, it is not even fit for foot travel, inclusive
foot travel, inclusive every kind of travel.

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So why are you groaning? I think…
I thought you we were saying

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all we talking about ATV\'s. Yes, It\'s always been talking about,
It\'s always been talking about. We are talking about process

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that includes all forms if travel. I hear
you accuse as I\'m talking only evaluating…

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We\'re out here, we\'re out here to talk about
ATV\'s that\'s why we are talking about ATV\'s.

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Well, there are some people
who aren\'t willing to share

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out back country areas. And, and,
you know, they will charge that.

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They don\'t approve off highway vehicle
used in the areas that they like to go to.

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I think, it\'s really important
to, to recognize that,

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we\'re not barring access to these areas.
People are welcome to come into these areas.

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It comes down to, this machine isn\'t allowed in this
area. So it\'s not about people, it\'s about machines.

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Well, there are nearly a hundred
million acres of wilderness,

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designated wilderness in this country.
And if those folks desire

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that type of non-motorized experience,
that\'s where they should go.

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The thing that distresses me about seeing
more and more use with ATV\'s and motorcycles

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is people are not willing to
put forth the physical effort

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to go into the back country and to
see the back country on its terms

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instead of their terms. It\'s a
good wholesome family recreation

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where a whole family can
recreate together on ATV\'s,

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or snow mobiles, or motorcycles, or Jeeps, you
know, four wheel drives. They run over our dogs

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and kill them. They destroy fields of corn and
soybeans. They do donuts in our front yards.

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They come up not going our door
in the middle of the winter,

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11:30 at night, wanting to use our phone because
they\'re stuck down here. They said they\'re gonna,

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they\'re gonna keep us from coming out here this
year. But they\'ve been saying that for a long time

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and we\'re still here. If they try to
block up again, we\'ll run it over.

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They say that they\'re endangered, and they say that they
belong here, but I\'ve never seen a cat in the water

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and thought it was nothing but water. I don\'t believe in Florida panther.
I think, this is just a mountain line that somebody brought down

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here from up north, and they say they\'re supposed
to belong here, but I ain\'t never seen them.

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All of the scenery and the people we meet
on the road coming up here is really great.

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Just the challenge of this Jeep, doing what it can
do. It\'s old Army issue, stock military stuff,

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and that\'s one hell of a vehicle. It
was like a man getting back to nature

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and as (inaudible) mechanically back to nature in the hell
(inaudible). Like you said, meeting people and seeing nature

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is getting away from town. It\'s good to get
away from electricity it all start up.

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It comes with a fewer parts every time, as long as we have an
engine, and transmission, and tires, I guess, we\'ll keep coming.

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We\'ve got about all 7,000 members,

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right now. Many are organizations
who have many, many more members.

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For example that we have the Motorcyclist
Association as one of our members.

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They have 250 thousand of their own
members. So we feel that we influence

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a half a million to six hundred
thousand recreationists.

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We are proposing a back
country recreation area,

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designation as an
alternative to wilderness.

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Designation wilderness is not a user
friendly designation. It prohibits outright,

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all types of motorized recreation,
all types of mechanized recreation,

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all types of improvements to
better accommodate recreation.

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How could these people represent recreationist? How they
didn\'t represent recreationist when they wrote their comments

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on the Rocky Mountain Front.
Prime recreation area,

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loved by Montanan\'s. And they write comments
there, a carbon copy of (inaudible).

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See, see their comments in the
Rocky Mountain gas association,

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which by the way funded them.

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So the Blue smoke Coalition is
exactly there. So it starts

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with a distorting the whole concept of what a trail is.
If you look at Webster\'s, it\'ll say, \"A trail is gap

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made by the passage of people and animals.
That\'s what most people understand trail to be

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expect with gap with passage
of people and animals.

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Well, as you distort that definition, it\'s the offered
vehicle for this rally dungeon for obvious reasons.

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You say, well, it\'s no longer just for people and
animals, now, it\'s going to be for vehicles,

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you know, trucks, and
ATV\'s, and motorcycles

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as well as people and animals, we all share the trails. What
happens is that the trail takes on the characteristics of a road.

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And pretty soon, it is a road.

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[sil.]

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There are new toys being created that we haven\'t
even seen yet. Things like personal driver copters,

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it\'s pretty light weight, low cost
helicopters that are now available

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and are looking for places to fly.
Through the recreation coalition

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is working to make sure that
places have a place to go.

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And that\'s not the only toy there is, there are
things, like inline skates with pneumatic tires

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that are used to go on the back country.
And those companies are looking

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to make sure that their users are gonna feel the rider skates.
Now, right now, they\'re not allowed in the wilderness.

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But a lot of trails are going to need to
be groomed so you can ride your off road

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in line skates on them. Every
time a new toy get\'s introduced,

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you gotta find a place for it.
And the back country

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and the woods are going to be
totally filled with these new toys.

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Beginning in, I think, late 1996,
the Park Service was reviewing

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its boating regulations and recognized that
they may have to address personal watercraft

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separately then boats. I think, that\'s
important because they\'re recognizing that

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these things have a greater impact on the
park resources than conventional boats.

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We\'ve have boats in park, parks,
probably since the beginning, 100 years

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and personal watercraft has now been on the scene
in park managers are correctly recognizing

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that these need to have special regulations. Personal
watercraft or motorized recreation can change the way you

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appreciate these, these, will not appreciate these
resources. In industry, it\'s playing on that.

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Now this one, basically says, if you look down here,
it\'s got two people racing across the water on their

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jet skis and it\'s the powerful Daytonas.
See those blurred colors streaming by,

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that is called scenery.

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Now in this text box here, the first
words say sceneries for Saps.

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And then later, it says, so
if you\'re considering a ride

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on a Daytona, forget about the scenery you
should concentrate on more important things

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like holding on. The Organic Act of the National
Park Service which created the National Park Service

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and the National Park
System, first words are

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the primary mission of the national
park system is to conserve the scenery.

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These people haven\'t even read the national, the
Organic Act and wouldn\'t understand it if they did.

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Almost all PWC\'s on the market today
are powered by two stroke engines.

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And the way two stroke
functions, gasoline comes in

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and at the same moment, exhaust is being expelled
out the back, which means that sun on burn gas

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in oil goes out with the exhaust in
the Environmental Protection Agency

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has estimated that up to 30% of
the fuel that is used in PWC

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goes out the tail by abundant.

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Typical gallons per hour
for PWC is around 14.

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12-14 Deming\'s, up to may
be three to four gallons

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per every tank that is in a PWC goes right into
the waterways. The California resources board

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just released a report that
says, a two hour (inaudible)

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on a typical personal lot of jet ski
releases the same amount of hydrocarbon

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as driving a 1998 passenger
vehicle, 139 thousand miles.

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So in effect what they\'re saying is
that over the entire life of your car,

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the pollution you release will be equivalent
to what is released in two hours of agency.

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[sil.]

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In the early 90\'s, the use of PWC\'s
exploded in the San Juan Islands

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off the coast of Washington. Marian Anderson and
Friday Harbor saw this increase as an invasion

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to the way of life in the islands and a petition was
turned into the county commissioner asking for a ban.

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An ordinance passed to study effects of PWC\'s
in an ineffective moratorium went into place.

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The county was immediately sued by
the Marine Manufacturers Association

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on behalf of the industry. The ordinance was overturned
that after an appeal to the state Supreme Court

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it was determined that the county\'s
jurisdiction superseded that of the states

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after three long years of
struggle, the ban became law.

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And they said to president and that we have the right
to protect what is important for our community,

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not only it\'s important for an industry.
One of the

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industry attorneys said in horror
at the Supreme Court hearing,

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well, if you allow Salmon
County to ban Jet Skis,

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what\'s going to stop other
counties from banning jet skis.

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We just can\'t have that. And, Of
course, that was their biggest fear

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is that it would be a domino effect.
No one likes David-Goliath

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story when they\'re not David.

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When I started fighting against it, I found
out that the, the users also in industry,

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especially they\'re very entrenched in their crusade
to go out and basically use these things anywhere

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they want it. I also found out
that they were fairly aggressive.

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And the pursuit of their
trails, the point where they,

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they would resort to character
assassination. Actually, on away

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after I developed broader shoulders
and realize how activism works,

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and how when you\'re really started to make a
difference, you can tell it by the backlash.

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And the more I was attacked, the more
I felt I was making a difference.

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That also be who,

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us who work for this cause
can always remain simple,

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can always stick to the issue.
And the people that attacked us

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revealed their own characters for
what they were. And oddly enough,

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the, their, their character
in (inaudible), or in public,

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sort of a pity my eyes their character
on their machines. I guess,

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I\'d say that is a curious way
of seeing nature on a basically

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straddling on high decibel crotch rocket
on becoming a fairly crowded planet,

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those days of having fun
is (inaudible) is done.

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There\' s rules and regulations regarding all kinds of
human activity and all kinds of manufactured goods.

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And the common sense says
that there\'s a place

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and a time for most things. And if I had
a dirt bike and started spinning donuts

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next to this guy\'s house all day and
night, I think he\'d take exception.

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But it\'s funny the people that are
doing the exploiting and the impacting

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always seem to have some right to do it.
But they never really consider

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the rights of the people that are
impacted or the responsibility

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we have for the environment that\'s impacting.
It\'s always got to be their selfish interests,

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and basically to hell with
everybody and everything else.

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Near the banks of the Ohio River in the
Shawnee national forest of Illinois,

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a 13 year old battle has been fought.
Formed in 1986 to fight excessive logging,

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the regional association for concerned
environmentalist or race has turned much of its focus

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towards fighting ATV\'s. Mark
Donnamus fought tirelessly

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to persuade the Forest Service to enforce its own laws
which prohibit use of the machines on forest lands.

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During this time, his wife Christy Hansen has
catalogued dozens of photos over the past decade,

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which document cases of abuse inflicted upon the force
as well as their house, which has been vandalized

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by motorized supporters. Shelves of materials are
a testament to numerous court cases and orders,

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which have yet to be complied with by the
Forest Service. In terms of trying to get them

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out here when we observed
blatant violations of the law,

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it\'s been very difficult.
They, they really don\'t want

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to do anything for us.

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Well, throughout the years, the Forest Service has
issued different closure orders for the shiny.

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And every single one of them is
very misleading. It sounds like,

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if you stand the forest about roads,

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which is really just dirt trails and you
don\'t go after those, it\'s okay to ride.

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I mean, that wording is no ATV
use of forest development roads,

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but they don\'t tell anybody which
are the roads which are trails.

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So, you know, if, if I was ATV rider,
and I came up to one of these trails,

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and I saw that sign, I
think, I could ride on this,

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this whatever it is, trail, road, travel way,
you know, as long as I don\'t get off it,

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it\'s okay. There\'s nothing. No blocking, you know,
it\'s like a clear shot. You can just go right in.

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And, you know, if you.

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Enforcement officer would happen to give
somebody a ticket for that and they go to court,

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the judge would say, \"Well, you know, there\'s
no clear Information here for a rider.\"

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And throw it out.

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And the Forest Service seems to me that they
really don\'t want people to be using the trails.

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They don\'t want hikers and people that really
care. The trails are at sign, there\'s no maps,

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they\'re in terrible shape. The Forest
Service never comes out, you know,

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unless it\'s really high recreation area, which
there are a few, where it\'s big canyons and stuff.

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But the majority of the forest
is just totally neglected.

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One of the statements has been, that has been
made to me by ORB riders, organize groups

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says that Where are we supposed to
ride if you don\'t let us ride here.

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It\'s not fair to allow someone else to have access to
the forest. To me, a taxpayer not having access to it.

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Or, First off, we\'re not telling
them they can\'t have access to it.

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They can hike, they can hurt, they can fish, they can ride
bikes, they ride horses, they have access to the forest.

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What they want is to do the destructive
activity of riding their ORV\'s.

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And my interest to them is, \"If
you\'re, just because you go out

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and pay $ 6-10000 for an ORV,

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does not obligate the government to provide you
with a place to ride it. It\'s a form of welfare.

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And if you\'re going to ban it, then I would
suggest that you also, well, buy yourself

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a piece of private land to ride your
ORV on, and not expect the public

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to give up the public land
for your own purposes.

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Usually, which amounts to the
destruction of that public land.

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We are in land between the lakes in western
Kentucky, in an area called Turkey Bay.

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And it\'s about two to three thousand
acres of a sacrifice zone for

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all terrain vehicles, dune
buggies, dirt bikes, jeeps,

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and TBA just lets them run wild, and
this is the result of that activity.

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The shiny, presently has
no designated trails.

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ATV\'s are illegal although they,
they say, they do ride illegally.

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The Forest Service is planning on
designating some of the shiny for ATV\'s,

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and we are convinced that
this will be the result.

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It\'s, it\'s really. Hard to describe

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what it\'s like being in the center of this.

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It does show that,

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that the best plans of any agency
to control, regulate, or enforce

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this type of use of land

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is very difficult if not impossible.
And don\'t the lack of regulation

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and enforcement is what, what
causes this type of damage.

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And this is damage that will never be here.

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The think to that, another agency, like the
Forest Service would want to designate areas

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for ATV\'s is just, it\'s
really frightening to think

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that this could happen to our forest.

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They\'re having difficulty especially for families they\'ve
been here for three, four generations things like that.

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They\'re used to the fact that, and I sympathize with
them. That, you know, when they lived here in the 50\'s,

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there wasn\'t anybody here. I mean, if they took a
jeep out across sand flats, and they are off road,

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who cared? It might have been the only
jeep that went that way all year.

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But unfortunately, now with the annual
visitation here is approaching three million,

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well, there\'s not going to be one jeep going away, there\'s
going to be two thousand jeeps it\'ll go that way.

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And it\'s not really the local
thought that happened,

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but they\'re going to be under same
regulation as anyone else who visits here.

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There are, if we had only the motorcycles there
were operating out in the days of the 1940\'s,

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operating out here, today, we
wouldn\'t have made major problem.

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Because (inaudible) so dispersed. But you have to
remember that Los Angeles started with one house.

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And the off roader started
with one motorcycle.

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And that does it. And they\'ve expanded
to numbers so large and hundreds.

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Uh…And on a weekend,

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uh…all over the desert, they\'d be
thousands of people out there.

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With motor cycle, or typical motorcycle
impacting an acre of land and 20 miles

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than the typical four wheelie doing
it in six miles, eight miles,

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(inaudible) an ATV doing
it in four miles, then you

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can appreciate the
magnitude of this impact.

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It\'s grown into a significant problem.
The principle of the fact of,

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for the vehicles are the natural man
surface is that vegetation is stripped,

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in sort of that was compacted.
And when soil is compacted

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that means it doesn\'t absorb
water that the rain water

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that falls on it as readily as the natural
soil. So you\'ve increased the amount of water

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that runs off the surface. The
amount of water is proportional

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to the amount of dilation that takes place. And
sometimes it trails themselves on the road.

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And quite often, if you just
look at the effect how you feel,

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you\'ll see that the water\'s running off
the trails and there\'s actually a roading

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a portion of the landscape that wasn\'t impact
by the vehicles, so that\'s an offside effect.

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What\'s the soil\'s compacted
and that also retards

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the re-vegetation, re-occupancy
of those areas by vegetation.

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The concept in management is that offers
vehicles areas or sacrifice their own city,

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We\'ve got to accommodate this
use, so we\'ll give them that area

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and let them do whatever they want to or the
problem with. The problem with that notion is

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that you cannot modify a
spark of the natural system

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without the rest of that system adjusting
to it. And I give an example of you,

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you do stuff, you strip the land
with some off road vehicle trails,

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and you start to go. Look
it all doesn\'t just gully

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the areas that was stripped,
it routes headword.

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People who drive ORV\'s, that, they
don\'t know the damage they do.

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Here\'s an example, The (inaudible) dunes
is largest dune system in North America

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they feel is a roar around the dunes that
night the wind blows the sand put back

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they\'ve done no damage. Yet
to drive on the highway

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that separates the north and the south.
(inaudible) dunes.

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On the north their plan. Their critters.
On South.

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There is only sand. This to nudity.

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And if you look you could see it but if
you don\'t like to look you don\'t see it

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We are discovering even new
species of vertebrates.

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In the California desert.
And to say nothing of

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the tremendous. Unknown factors

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with respect to the (inaudible)
the insects and others.

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And some of the dunes we feel sure
have many and endemic insects.

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Is from new rules and the differing from dune
to dune because you\'re like a (inaudible).

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Uh… So When the ORV. has
come there first and may

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pretty much trash any
chance for science leaders

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to Understand the dune not
live in a system it\'s not wise

00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.999
to say oh we can get along without this
animal and this plant but it\'s incremental

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if you keep chopping away production
the whole thing begins to unravel.

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If we have areas that are
Tension Grizzly Bear have

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and we have areas that are being
utilized in the month of April

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and snow pack it\'s hardest dunes most
exciting for snowmobiling community

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and we have a time period that\'s can be fluctuate
with the Bears coming out of the dunes.

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So we have a wildlife conflict
but it\'s the same time

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it would be the same circumstance in
the earlier months with Alic or dear

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to me and wintering never getting driven
away. Because loud noise beautiful

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and using up all their energy that they
really need to truly serve winners

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straight across the board on a
motorized used facts wildlife

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and it\'s pretty well proven and a lot
information (inaudible) prove that point

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People often assume that logging, mining,
Water Development and. livestock race

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you know the principal causes for the decline
of federally threatened endangered species

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Well they are partially right water
development projects are number one

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that\'s the leading cause for the decline of federally
threaten endangered species but surprisingly

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outdoor recreation the second outdoor
recreation his more of a threat

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to the nation\'s natural heritage and on
public lands than is logging, mining

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.999
and livestock racing this study
looked at the different aspects

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of outdoor recreation of.
(inaudible) Recreational boating

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motorized outdoor recreation turned out that
motorized outdoor recreation was the principal

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form of outdoor recreation
resulting in population declines.

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The R.V. groups are organizing
the counties are organizing

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they so far have a lot of money and they have inside track
politically on a lot of the power to that be here in the west.

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So if. if people who are concerned
about the protection nationally

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don\'t organize is going to be vacuum there
and it\'s going to be felt by the R.V groups.

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And the agencies tend to lean in their direction
anyway. So protection is up to people

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who are willing to stand up
organize and do something about it.

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For the world is that because we want all of
are see the back country here it is designated

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as wilderness they want them for their
own exclusive use or for no use at all.

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And we think that with nearly
a hundred million acres

00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.999
of wilderness in this country that\'s enough. Yes
We have wilderness and everybody points all

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you know there\'s plenty of wilderness well that wilderness
is rock and ice wilderness the most of what we have up

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there is not the most productive
biologically and we need lower elevation

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and we need higher elevation habitat Mount Wanaka is
actually it\'s part of the Scientific of the crystal range

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highway vehicle folks fill in as
one of the most challenging roads

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to a high Alpine area. You know
one of the questions we have is

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.999
should motorized reclamation be an
Alpine country. A alpine areas are

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very fragile ecosystems you know
along with desert communities

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I mean there are probably those two areas I
think are the most fragile it takes a long time

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for things to regenerate you don\'t have the growing
season so it takes a hundred years or more

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to regenerate in (inaudible) A
modernize folks will say well you know

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it\'s only one road it\'s not
you know but it is the amount

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that we have you know when you
look at how many areas are

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two three four miles away from road you don\'t
know you know this there\'s hardly any areas

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even in Colorado which is supposed to be a very
you know people think of this as a real wild.

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So you know a lot of wild country around here well
that\'s not really true when you look at the maps

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and look at how much road
less area we really have

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when the off road vehicle (inaudible)and
will share the trails (inaudible)

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You could share the trail
but you won\'t want to

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because the very things that came with
the natural for us to enjoy appreciate

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.999
song a herd of thrush or a crick.
You the Sound of a bell near

00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.999
you going down the trail of the
tradition the quiet the natural quiet

00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.999
that\'s rarer and rarer in our world.
Let\'s exactly what to take away.

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And instead of that experience
(inaudible) just no place to drive.

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The world\'s coolest try drive.

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