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Julie on the Line
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One day, Julie heard voices threatening her. Doctors gave her electroshocks, marabouts tried to exorcise her, she ingested many medicines, drank a lot of potions, spent days in the hospital and long hours locked up at home trying to forget the past and imagine the future. From an administrative point of view, since her first hospitalization she is considered 80% mentally disabled. To me, she is a precious friend, a sensitive soul, a resistant who decided that she would not make "a career as a victim". I have been filming her for five years. Together, we dive into her past and discover the story of a heroine.
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Main credits
Ma, Mia (filmmaker)
Coulon, Florent (film producer)
Dieng, Julie Yaye Bigué (on-screen participant)
Other credits
Editing, Jeanette Oberson; cinematography, Mia Ma.
Distributor subjects
France,Healthcare,Medicine and Nursing,Mental Disorder,Mental Health - See Psychology and Mental HealthKeywords
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We can hear the wind in that one.
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We can hear everyone
in the building too.
We can hear the wind in that one.
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We can hear everyone
in the building too.
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It was like a channel
fired by my imagination, I think.
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When I concentrate, I can...
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I can understand why I had that feeling.
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The neighbours...
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Crazy, right?
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I could hear people whispering
on the other side.
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People whispering
on the other side of the tree,
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over 100 yards between here
and that tree over there.
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To the railway actually.
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Can you hear these sounds?
It goes pop...
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I always felt there was a rhythm
to those sounds.
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Especially when I spent 5 months
in the hospital.
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I began to really know the hospital.
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I thought they were sending signals
so I could understand they were there.
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It went like this...
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And that meant:
"You can't hear us,
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"but this is code to say
we're not going away."
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What's that?
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You can hear everything
with doors like that.
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So that did my head in
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and I was paranoid they were hiding
up there to watch me.
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I went like this...
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To hide some of the whispering.
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My heart was beating super fast.
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5 years earlier
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I've just woken up
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and I don't particularly feel
like smoking.
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I don't know why.
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We'll see how it goes.
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I hope you had a good night too.
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Let's speak later.
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I might fall into a coma again,
you know me.
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I'll keep you posted, lots of love.
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Hi Julie, Mia speaking.
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We got back last night.
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I know you're not into shooting
that film at the moment.
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I can understand.
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Call me back so we can catch up anyway.
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And call me anyway
cause you know me, I'll start worrying.
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Lots of love.
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Is that any good?
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Very good.
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Julie has been my friend
for 20 years now.
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She hears voices.
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5 years ago,
I was afraid I might lose her.
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Afraid she might die
of overmedication, too much smoking
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and loneliness.
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I thought a common project
would do us both good.
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So I took a camera.
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Do you wear lipstick?
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Hardly ever.
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Hardly ever?
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How long have you got with me?
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One hour? More.
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What time have you got to be back?
5 pm?
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- Cool!
- I can be with you till 5.
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That's cool!
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What have you been up to this week?
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I ate.
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I was careful wih what I ate,
but I put on weight anyway.
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I went to the dentist.
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To get my teeth cleaned.
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I went to the Ob-Gyn
and got a pap smear.
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I had a mammogram.
A lung scan.
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I had my lungs X-rayed.
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That was...
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at the cardiologist.
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I did tai chi.
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I did...
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psychomotricity.
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I did karaoke. I watched films.
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I took a bunch of pills.
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That's about it.
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And I spoke to my roommate.
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And I smoked and smoked...
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I'm a leftie Muslim girl.
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I drink wine. I eat cheese.
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That is allowed.
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I drink wine.
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I eat pork.
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But I do believe in God.
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I've been praying 14 times a day
for a year and a half now.
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Can we go to church?
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My head is up my ass.
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Say again?
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My head is up my ass.
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Take your time.
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It was my Mum's birthday
the day before yesterday.
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She was born on Bastille Day.
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She would have turned 68 this year.
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I miss my mother.
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I'm relapsing again anyway.
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I have been calm for a few days now,
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but the relapse has been here
for quite a while.
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I can't seem to get better.
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When you talk about relapse,
does that mean you hear voices again?
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Yep.
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Shall we have a break?
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No need.
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You can tell me, you know.
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I'll tell you when I've had enough.
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Hi my Mia, Julie speaking.
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Call me back please,
I'd like to talk. Love.
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That was you.
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What have you been doing all day
since you got here?
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Tidying up, getting lots of rest.
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Seeing how good I feel...
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On top form.
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I'm on top form.
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I allow myself to take care of myself.
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I do things I'd stopped doing,
I was letting myself go.
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My brother told me some home truths.
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Deep down, I know it's true,
but the way he said it was very brutal
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for me.
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He noticed I was letting myself go.
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I do my legs,
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do my nails.
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I force myself to take a daily shower,
which I find difficult.
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I had mentioned that before, hadn't I?
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It's a struggle to take a shower,
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make my bed in the morning,
have breakfast,
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I push myself.
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Moving back wasn't too difficult
for you in the end.
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You thought it'd be hard
to move back in here.
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You've been feeling fine so far.
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Did you mother decorate this flat?
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Sometimes, I wish things...
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happened in my life, but they don't.
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I even convince myself I'm pregnant,
but that can't be.
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Jules said I was born to be a mother.
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"Don't you worry."
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Beautiful, right?
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Jules only says beautiful things.
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One day,
he'd said another beautiful thing:
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"It's never too late
to have a happy childhood."
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Jules,
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my twin brother.
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It's nice in the sun, isn't it?
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Julie?
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- Have you had your coffee yet?
- Yes.
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Have you had your coffee?
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Aren't you sinking in?
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No, just a bit, like you.
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Hi my Mia, Julie here.
I hope you're well.
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I got your text yesterday.
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Yes, I'm getting better.
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Things are looking up for me.
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There you go.
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I think I can see the light
at the end of the tunnel.
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For the rest, we'll catch up
over the phone later.
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Have a nice day.
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A nice afternoon, I mean.
It's past noon. Bye for now.
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Is that any better?
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I can hear you, it's distorting.
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Go ahead.
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- Is that any better?
- Yes, it is.
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Go on.
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Better?
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Better, yes. Go ahead.
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Is that good?
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That's good, yeah.
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- There's a bit of a background.
- Delete.
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I realised I didn't want
to be out of it anymore.
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If I was going to suffer with the meds,
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I'd rather suffer without them.
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That's the choice I made.
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I had a really bad time.
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For over a month,
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I was puking non-stop,
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I was trembling, feeling dizzy,
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I had skin rash.
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Diarrhea.
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It was just like
when you try to get clean.
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When you quit drugs.
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What is it?
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What do the shrinks say?
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My shrimps?
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Your shrinks!
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About going from 20 to 2 pills a day.
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It was mayhem, it was crazy.
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the worry.
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You can't just quit medication.
Not only with mental issues...
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You don't just quit.
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Your body doesn't get it.
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I was well aware of this,
I'd quit medication before.
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What else do they say?
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They were worried.
They said treatment interruption
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could mean that for a while,
nothing special would happen,
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but there was bound to be a backlash
and usually a relapse.
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And you're going to feel much worse
than when you stopped.
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I took the risk.
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You're beautiful.
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You let me wear that skirt
and you said nothing.
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What skirt?
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The white one I wore
at Lorenzo's wedding 10 years ago.
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So?
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Remember that amazing white skirt
that turns into a dress.
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I put it on and I was huge.
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Huge.
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You said I was beautiful,
you even lent me a bow tie.
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Sorry if I thought you were beautiful.
If I said it, I meant it.
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What can I do?
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When I look back at those photos,
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I freak out.
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I looked at one of them recently
and it made me cry
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when I saw the pain in my eyes.
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Those eyes were totally empty.
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A blank stare.
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Like that.
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Eyes wide open like this.
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Groggy from the pain meds.
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Like that, you know.
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It made me cry.
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Would you rather I said you were ugly?
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I'd rather nothing,
but I do ask myself questions.
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I can't imagine how you thought
I was beautiful back then.
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Hi my Mia, it's Julie.
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I hope you are well.
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I sent a little heads up yesterday,
I'm not sure you got it.
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When you get that message,
give me a call back please.
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Did you have a nice weekend?
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An eventful one.
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I went to a party.
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It'd been a while
since I mingled with strangers.
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I'd told myself,
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if I have a drink,
I'll only have a couple.
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That's what I've doing for a few weeks.
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And...
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things got out of hand.
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I feel rather at peace at the moment.
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I don't need
to get away from those voices,
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get away from my demons.
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I feel fine at the moment.
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Why do I do it?
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Why do I have to do it?
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I've had these addictions for ages now.
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If you don't blame yourself,
you can't move forward.
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There's always a point
when you're gonna blame yourself anyway.
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You can't keep apologizing.
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There's a when you can't...
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At some point, you're the one to blame.
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You can't just...
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You can't always blame everything else.
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That's the problem.
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But it's hard to always blame yourself.
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I can't miss out on my life.
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Do you feel like
you're missing out on your life?
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Hi Julie.
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It's me again.
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I can't get hold of you.
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You didn't make it to Alice's do
on Saturday like you promised.
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You cancelled our meeting yesterday
and I don't quite know why.
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I can understand
you don't feel like meeting up,
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but can you at least call me back
just to reassure me?
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That'd be nice.
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Lots of love.
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You were a bit down last week.
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I was.
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I had to hang in there.
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My fight was to get better.
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Once you get better,
what's the next step?
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What's the story?
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You feel lost.
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Since I don't really know
the right thing to do,
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I don't necessarily find
the right answers either.
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And I was also upset
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because...
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Are you OK?
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When you start hearing voices,
it's virtually non-stop.
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You can never experience silence.
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It's exhausting.
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It's exhausting, it's like torture
never to experience silence.
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Can you see this view
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with small trees and all?
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It used to be "the inner circle".
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When I started getting ill,
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during the first 5 years,
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if I wasn't in hospital, I was here.
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When I went in my psychosis,
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I could hear voices.
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Male voices.
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I could see
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kinds of moving shadows.
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They were people sent to watch me
and hurt me.
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These people were hidden
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by the railway.
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I can remember some nights
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when I would stand at the window
and scream.
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I was insulting them actually.
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I was really in pain too.
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And I was brave because I thought
there were 6 or 7 of them
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trying to hurt me.
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My imagination ran wild,
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thinking of all the things
they could do to me.
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The whole thing was brutal.
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I mean the threats I would hear
in those voices.
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Look at this.
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Today, for example, you see...
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I can hear the air, the wind blowing,
the birds singing.
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The bustle of the city, the traffic.
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The bustle, I mean.
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That process took several years.
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When I go neurotic on the street,
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I hear voices,
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and there's movement,
there are people around,
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I try to lip read.
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Everything gets confused.
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It's a frantic jumble of noise.
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Things swirl around.
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You get overwhelmed
when you hear voices.
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You get lost, it's a mess.
All of a sudden, it gets complicated.
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That's what I call an episode.
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When all my senses are strained,
it's weird.
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I'll see a sign on the street, a board,
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a billboard,
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I'll zone in right away
and focus on it.
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So that my brain can switch off.
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It allows me to focus back on myself.
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I'm sorry I forgot to wish you
a happy birthday earlier on.
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I know you don't actually care
but I'm really upset about it.
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I'll try and call you back.
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She says I'll start on March 1.
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I sent her a message a few days
after I spoke to her on the phone:
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"I come back to you as I have
no information concerning my start date.
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"Please get in touch ASAP via email
so I can get organised.
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"Best regards."
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She got back to me in the afternoon:
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"Dear Julie,
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"I do not know what stage they are at,
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"but if you have not heard from them,
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"that means you are not hired."
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I don't think that's respectful.
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You can't treat people like that.
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If they say no, they say no.
End of story.
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But they can't have you hanging on
for 3 months
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whilst giving you a start date
and asking how much you want,
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and finally saying
"Not my fault, regards."
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It's not because you suffer
from mental illness
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that they have to put you
on an assembly line.
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As in, you're a moron,
that's all you can do.
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If I can do a massage like I do today,
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that's because I had hallucinations,
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because I couldn't trust my senses.
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My sense of touch has never let me down.
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It brings me back to the real world.
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That's how I became a masseuse.
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At least, in that, I could trust myself.
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I can see how much progress
you're making.
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And I must...
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I must thank you too.
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You're moving forward
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and there's something exceptional
in you.
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With what you went through in life,
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what you give people,
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to me there's something extraordinary.
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And it's such a beautiful thing,
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I think you deserve
to be surrounded with people
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who have real respect for you.
38:40.540 --> 38:46.600
You told me that now,
you don't tell your story to everyone.
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But people will be watching this film.
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It's not the same thing.
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I see what you mean,
but it's not the same.
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I'm telling you, not them.
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When I speak here anyway,
in this living room at Thiély's...
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it's a different matter.
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Don't you think?
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At Thiély's, not your place?
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This flat is still your Mum's.
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My Mum's place and Patsow,
Wally and Jules' Mum's place.
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It's home.
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It's not my place, it's our place.
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No, I wanna stay with Auntie.
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I wanna stay with you too
but you'll be back soon.
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No!
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Carry me on your back then!
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- Hurry!
- Cool!
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What a pain.
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You're a pain too.
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You're a real pain.
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I am
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with
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Mia.
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We're filming.
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You sent him a video?
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I wish you a lovely day.
Thinking of you. Love.
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Let's speak later.
41:34.650 --> 41:36.300
"Let's speak later."
41:37.250 --> 41:38.200
"Bye now."
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Shame on me!
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The things I do sometimes.
41:50.850 --> 41:55.100
Hi honey, Julie on line,
I hope you're well.
41:55.300 --> 41:58.150
Call me back if you can.
Lots of love.
42:44.740 --> 42:47.250
That was the Mazurka just now.
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- Did you hear it?
- Of course I did.
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You like Chopin as much as I do.
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Thanks to who, do you think?
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Thanks to you.
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I may have had a small part in it.
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I didn't really know it
before I met you.
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Yes.
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I didn't think it'd move me so much.
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I played a lot of Chopin in my life.
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Before you made me discover it properly,
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I didn't think I could
43:30.500 --> 43:32.000
have appreciated it.
44:39.000 --> 44:40.850
Hi my Mia, it's Julie.
44:41.040 --> 44:44.850
I didn't find the time
to get back to you.
44:45.840 --> 44:50.150
Will we manage to speak in the end?
It's crazy!
44:50.350 --> 44:52.100
Call me back, love.
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I saw you called.
45:04.200 --> 45:05.600
Call me back.
45:05.990 --> 45:08.050
I'll call you again anyway.
45:08.240 --> 45:14.000
If you can't get hold of me,
I'll be calling you later.
45:24.290 --> 45:28.250
I was a manager twice
for Shakira concert
45:31.050 --> 45:34.050
and NTM concert too,
in the VIP area.
45:35.290 --> 45:39.900
But my 150 euro bag got stolen.
45:42.390 --> 45:43.600
You see...
45:45.690 --> 45:49.050
I can never do job right, ever.
45:53.090 --> 45:54.900
Maybe next week.
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I have a job interview
in a residential care home.
46:04.340 --> 46:06.950
Sophie told me about this opening.
46:07.150 --> 46:10.850
The good news is,
there is no diploma required.
46:11.050 --> 46:15.550
They're more into life experience,
character, energy.
46:16.490 --> 46:22.550
When she described the position,
I thought she was talking about me.
46:23.700 --> 46:29.550
What if you had been told a year ago,
you'd be doing all that today?
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Would you have believed it?
46:44.740 --> 46:47.750
12 noon in Paris, 10 am UTC.
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It's essential to integrate
the whole of the entourage
46:57.650 --> 47:00.100
and explain the illness to them.
47:00.290 --> 47:04.550
You mentioned the entourage.
How did yours react, Julie?
47:04.750 --> 47:09.400
When you were diagnosed
with schizophrenia.
47:10.900 --> 47:12.500
People around me...
47:14.990 --> 47:17.600
People around me didn't get it.
47:18.800 --> 47:21.250
But they did what was needed.
47:21.450 --> 47:24.500
I am French
and originally from Senegal.
47:24.750 --> 47:31.750
My Mum was so worried
that she did listen to her friends,
47:31.950 --> 47:37.800
the people she spoke to
about my change of behaviour.
47:39.150 --> 47:40.450
But...
47:41.690 --> 47:44.200
what came to mind
was the witchdoctors.
47:44.390 --> 47:46.150
Traditional healers.
47:46.350 --> 47:48.400
- Sorry?
- Traditional healers.
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That's right, healers.
47:51.140 --> 47:56.550
I went to two psychiatric hospitals
but I saw as many healers, if not more.
47:56.740 --> 47:58.850
I went to see more of them.
47:59.050 --> 48:02.500
We went through different phases.
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But the funny thing is,
healers have a placebo effect.
48:07.890 --> 48:11.150
He takes you to a magical place,
48:11.350 --> 48:15.950
and he manages to almost convert you.
48:16.140 --> 48:20.500
It can have a positive effect
on one side, less on the other.
48:22.150 --> 48:28.500
If I've come so far today,
it's because I got support.
48:28.950 --> 48:32.850
I spoke to my friends
about the episodes I had.
48:33.040 --> 48:35.050
They would ask me questions.
48:35.240 --> 48:38.700
They would take me on holiday
when I was a zombie.
48:38.900 --> 48:40.200
And so on.
48:40.390 --> 48:48.000
People around you are key
for you to get further...
48:49.140 --> 48:54.700
Fabienne, what is your message
to help people with this illness?
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Sorry I called by mistake, how are you?
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I'm fine, how are you?
49:08.900 --> 49:09.900
I'm good.
49:10.090 --> 49:14.100
Hang on,
let me get out of the hospital room.
49:14.900 --> 49:19.200
- You're with Patsow. How is he?
- He's out tomorrow.
49:19.500 --> 49:21.150
He's better now.
49:21.340 --> 49:24.200
The infection was successfully treated.
49:25.290 --> 49:28.050
He has more energy now.
49:28.240 --> 49:29.450
There you go.
49:29.640 --> 49:31.850
He's doing fine.
49:33.000 --> 49:35.450
- What was that?
- He's fine.
49:37.450 --> 49:41.050
Leave it, I'll do it tomorrow.
49:42.340 --> 49:45.750
That's Marie-Véronique, Patrice's care taker.
49:47.600 --> 49:49.100
She's very nice.
49:49.650 --> 49:53.150
- How many care takers does he have?
- Lots of them.
49:55.050 --> 49:57.400
5 or 6 a week, I'd say.
50:03.350 --> 50:05.750
Patrice cannot talk anymore.
50:08.100 --> 50:10.200
Multiple sclerosis means
50:11.940 --> 50:15.350
his muscles are no longer functional.
50:16.850 --> 50:22.050
I'm happy because I noticed
that for a few weeks now
50:23.790 --> 50:29.900
he's been trying
to be understood other than
50:30.100 --> 50:35.200
with the eye movement
that we had set up with him years ago.
50:36.190 --> 50:37.850
Stop laughing at me.
50:43.340 --> 50:47.600
He's on form this morning.
Must be the election campaign.
50:47.950 --> 50:54.200
I've always been with the socialists.
Wherever they go, I go.
50:54.390 --> 50:55.900
This one's the worse!
50:56.090 --> 50:59.800
Don't look at that.
French men are machos.
51:04.140 --> 51:06.500
You're laughing but it's true.
51:07.440 --> 51:10.550
Have we looked at them all now?
51:11.300 --> 51:13.150
Mélenchon, done.
51:15.700 --> 51:18.550
Marine Le Pen, do you want to know?
51:19.600 --> 51:21.600
Can you take it or not?
51:24.200 --> 51:26.200
We don't want to lose him.
51:26.790 --> 51:28.550
Shall I read it to you?
51:31.540 --> 51:32.900
He said no.
51:35.540 --> 51:38.400
Please don't make our life hell.
51:38.590 --> 51:40.300
You said no, right?
51:40.790 --> 51:42.100
You said no?
51:44.050 --> 51:45.150
Here you are.
51:46.050 --> 51:47.550
My goodness!
51:52.040 --> 51:54.150
He doesn't want to know.
51:54.950 --> 51:56.200
He said no.
52:21.000 --> 52:25.000
Is recovery the word
when it comes to schizophrenia?
52:25.940 --> 52:30.850
The psychiatrist I mentioned earlier
said to me
52:31.640 --> 52:33.250
was that
52:33.850 --> 52:40.150
when you're in my situation,
after 20 years of illness,
52:40.340 --> 52:44.150
when you've been deeply affected,
52:44.790 --> 52:48.650
things don't tend to get better
when you turn 40.
52:48.850 --> 52:51.650
Getting better is rather unusual.
52:51.850 --> 52:56.700
And he was rather puzzled
52:59.450 --> 53:01.100
to see me like this.
53:02.150 --> 53:07.500
I was explaining to him
about how I feel about going down,
53:07.690 --> 53:10.600
how I go through these episodes,
53:10.790 --> 53:13.500
and how I can fix myself.
53:13.690 --> 53:17.000
Or how I can get over an episode.
53:17.200 --> 53:20.600
I explained to him that as a child,
53:20.790 --> 53:24.450
when tmy abuser
53:25.050 --> 53:27.050
forced me to do those things,
53:27.240 --> 53:33.450
I was aware back then
of an out-of-body experience.
53:33.650 --> 53:36.900
He told me there was a word for that.
54:11.850 --> 54:14.200
What's it like to be a twin?
54:23.290 --> 54:25.350
That's a good question.
54:28.440 --> 54:33.550
I think it depends on
when you ask me the question.
54:35.300 --> 54:41.250
How could they tell me
they'd given my sister electroshocks?
54:42.190 --> 54:48.450
It's really brutal in 2005
to hear such things.
54:48.640 --> 54:52.150
You'd think
they'd given up on those things
54:52.340 --> 54:54.100
since the 1930's.
54:56.540 --> 54:58.600
- I mean it.
- I know.
55:01.900 --> 55:07.700
I've had to hold you, to keep you up,
to hit you even
55:08.400 --> 55:12.450
so that you get calmer
whilst waiting for emergency services.
55:12.650 --> 55:15.700
I don't think we were being fragile.
55:16.850 --> 55:22.350
People are faced with that too.
55:26.690 --> 55:29.100
Sometimes it verges on madness.
55:30.700 --> 55:32.500
Did I hit you?
55:32.900 --> 55:34.050
No, you didn't.
55:38.800 --> 55:40.500
Did I beat you up?
55:41.350 --> 55:42.600
Who won?
55:45.540 --> 55:46.850
Who won?
55:48.390 --> 55:51.900
I've had to close the kitchen door.
55:52.100 --> 55:56.100
I've had to hide all of the knives
so you wouldn't hurt yourself.
55:56.300 --> 56:01.200
I closed all of the windows
so you wouldn't jump out.
56:01.390 --> 56:04.200
You wanted to jump out the window.
56:04.390 --> 56:08.850
You wanted to kill yourself
before these voices kill you.
56:09.190 --> 56:12.850
We went through all of that, you know.
56:14.950 --> 56:17.400
- I can't remember.
- You know.
56:19.750 --> 56:21.250
I can't remember.
56:28.950 --> 56:31.450
We were in the same class.
56:34.340 --> 56:36.000
Good-looking kids.
56:40.100 --> 56:44.200
I don't know if you realised,
but on that day,
56:45.450 --> 56:47.050
we were 39.
56:48.790 --> 56:52.100
You sat on my bed in my messy room.
56:53.150 --> 56:55.250
And you looked at me in the eyes:
56:57.540 --> 57:01.800
"I will always love you
whatever happens to you.
57:04.100 --> 57:08.600
"But if you want to take control,
you have to act now.
57:09.700 --> 57:13.700
"Because when you turn 50,
it might be too late."
57:15.290 --> 57:19.400
That is what set everything off.
57:19.600 --> 57:24.250
What you said to me for 5 minutes
in my bedroom.
57:25.350 --> 57:28.100
I never thanked you for that.
57:29.200 --> 57:32.500
But I'm thanking you now because...
57:33.540 --> 57:35.600
I could see in your eyes
57:35.790 --> 57:38.450
how you were convinced
more than I was
57:38.650 --> 57:40.900
that I could pull this off.
57:41.450 --> 57:46.750
It had a mirror effect
and I said to myself I would do my best.
57:47.250 --> 57:49.050
No need to thank me.
57:51.000 --> 57:52.700
You need to pay me.
57:53.900 --> 57:55.950
It was a turning point.
58:28.600 --> 58:32.850
It was the first school
where I felt good.
58:38.190 --> 58:40.800
That's where I was in the 80's.
58:48.990 --> 58:53.250
I find it difficult
to search my memories.
58:54.400 --> 58:57.350
I find it very difficult because...
59:01.600 --> 59:04.750
Like I wrote this to you,
I'm someone
59:06.900 --> 59:09.000
who started life
59:10.490 --> 59:13.200
by forgetting all about it
59:13.400 --> 59:15.700
so I could move forward.
59:17.650 --> 59:19.500
A survival instinct.
59:21.000 --> 59:24.150
So when I look through my memory,
59:30.790 --> 59:32.850
I find it difficult
59:34.940 --> 59:37.150
to remember precisely.
59:43.140 --> 59:45.500
Hi Julie, it's me.
59:45.690 --> 59:48.450
I tried to call you a few times.
59:48.650 --> 59:53.150
I wanted to know if you had time
to think it through
59:53.350 --> 59:56.850
and if you finally agreed
59:57.900 --> 01:00:00.550
to go and film at your Gran's.
01:00:02.250 --> 01:00:05.100
Please call me back.
Lots of love.
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:48.350
It's crazy, it really reminds me
of my first day at Gran's with Jules.
01:00:51.850 --> 01:00:54.600
That's what springs to mind now.
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:58.400
It was a sunny day as well,
in the morning.
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:02.250
All of them were waiting for us.
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:05.950
I said "Hello, madam".
01:01:06.150 --> 01:01:10.250
She said everyone calls me Gran here.
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:12.300
I said OK.
01:01:21.150 --> 01:01:22.650
One, two, three.
01:01:37.650 --> 01:01:39.700
- Don't you like it?
- I do.
01:01:43.090 --> 01:01:44.650
It's very good.
01:01:46.200 --> 01:01:49.800
When you were angry at us,
you'd speak Creole.
01:01:56.750 --> 01:01:57.850
Gran?
01:01:58.450 --> 01:02:01.050
What kind of little girl was Julie?
01:02:01.240 --> 01:02:03.300
I was 5 and a half, I think.
01:02:07.200 --> 01:02:08.500
Frightened.
01:02:09.350 --> 01:02:11.200
I was frightened, right?
01:02:12.100 --> 01:02:15.400
She always thought
she was being followed.
01:02:15.590 --> 01:02:18.250
We always had to lock the door.
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:21.800
"Someone's coming, Gran. Lock up!"
01:02:22.450 --> 01:02:24.550
"Someone's coming!"
01:02:24.850 --> 01:02:28.250
"Lock the door or he'll be coming in."
01:02:29.650 --> 01:02:31.600
I'd say "There's no one here."
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:36.250
"Yes, there is someone behind us,
he'll be coming in."
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:42.700
I'd say "Look, no one is coming in."
She'd always see someone.
01:02:44.590 --> 01:02:49.950
I had to put scissors under her pillow.
01:02:50.140 --> 01:02:52.750
I can remember now.
01:02:53.700 --> 01:02:56.200
I had forgotten about that.
01:02:58.100 --> 01:02:59.500
Can you remember?
01:03:00.040 --> 01:03:01.500
Under my pillow.
01:03:03.700 --> 01:03:08.650
You couldn't sleep properly.
You were always awake, talking.
01:03:08.850 --> 01:03:12.100
You were always chatting away.
01:03:13.750 --> 01:03:18.000
Someone told me to put scissors,
01:03:18.490 --> 01:03:23.000
open them up, leave them open
under the pillow.
01:03:23.490 --> 01:03:26.850
So she won't be speaking
during the night.
01:03:27.050 --> 01:03:29.450
She'll stop talking at night.
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:31.950
That's what I did.
01:03:33.200 --> 01:03:36.000
It did help a little.
01:03:36.990 --> 01:03:38.350
It did help.
01:03:42.850 --> 01:03:45.200
We arrived at Pré-Saint-Gervais
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:47.800
at your place.
01:03:48.940 --> 01:03:54.600
Because in the Reunion family,
the mother who is a childminder
01:03:54.790 --> 01:03:59.250
certified by social services,
something like that,
01:03:59.450 --> 01:04:01.450
is a complete alcoholic.
01:04:02.140 --> 01:04:05.650
And she had us drink too,
on a daily basis.
01:04:05.850 --> 01:04:09.000
And that lady, actually,
01:04:09.190 --> 01:04:12.200
on two occasions,
as we went to school,
01:04:12.390 --> 01:04:15.750
ended in a ethylic coma.
01:04:15.950 --> 01:04:17.250
And she fell.
01:04:18.140 --> 01:04:21.750
So one morning,
as Mum was getting us dressed,
01:04:21.950 --> 01:04:23.550
she said...
01:04:23.900 --> 01:04:29.300
"Mummy Régnault, it's over",
that's what we called her.
01:04:29.500 --> 01:04:33.300
"You are going to meet a lady,
01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:34.600
"a lady,
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.400
"who you're going to be with weekdays.
01:04:37.600 --> 01:04:40.100
"We'll still meet at the weekends.
01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:45.250
"If needs be, I'll see you in the week
but you're going to Gran's."
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:48.800
That's how we ended up at your place.
01:04:49.950 --> 01:04:54.000
I spoke briefly about that
01:04:54.200 --> 01:04:56.950
when I was about 14 or 15,
01:04:57.150 --> 01:04:59.700
I spoke to a French teacher.
01:04:59.890 --> 01:05:04.950
She had asked us
to write about some life experience.
01:05:06.350 --> 01:05:08.450
I don't quite know why,
01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:12.650
but I told myself
this might be the right time,
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:16.150
with this essay in French,
01:05:16.900 --> 01:05:18.250
to say
01:05:19.940 --> 01:05:23.000
what the Thénardiers had done to us.
01:05:23.450 --> 01:05:29.750
That's what I call them now,
but at the time, I didn't.
01:05:29.940 --> 01:05:36.050
I wrote in that essay
that Jules and I had been...
01:05:36.790 --> 01:05:39.200
virtually held captive.
01:05:40.200 --> 01:05:43.200
Raped, beaten up, you name it.
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:49.400
That French teacher handed back
the essays to all of the students.
01:05:50.050 --> 01:05:53.750
Then she said:
"Julie, I'd like to talk to you."
01:05:53.940 --> 01:05:59.100
This was the first time
I dared speak out
01:05:59.290 --> 01:06:01.800
to a grown up or even to someone.
01:06:01.990 --> 01:06:04.150
Jules and I had never spoken out.
01:06:04.350 --> 01:06:08.200
Even between us,
we never talked about it.
01:06:08.390 --> 01:06:13.700
That is because when they abused us,
it was always separately.
01:06:13.900 --> 01:06:15.450
Except for blows.
01:06:15.640 --> 01:06:20.100
But they always managed
to have us doing different things.
01:06:20.290 --> 01:06:23.500
One is busy while the other is abused.
01:06:24.650 --> 01:06:30.700
With this French essay,
I probably thought subconsciously
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.350
there might be an opening.
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:38.050
A lifeline, grab it.
01:06:38.700 --> 01:06:40.050
So I wrote.
01:06:40.650 --> 01:06:42.250
And this French teacher
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:44.300
said to me:
01:06:45.850 --> 01:06:51.050
"What you wrote in your essay
worries me, can we talk about it?"
01:06:52.550 --> 01:06:55.200
Then my heart went boom.
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:57.900
I'd never spoken about it before.
01:07:10.900 --> 01:07:15.200
I told her that everything was true.
01:07:15.390 --> 01:07:18.950
We were put in a foster home,
01:07:19.150 --> 01:07:25.150
before we got to Gran's,
where we got abused and more.
01:07:32.540 --> 01:07:35.550
She said I must call your Mum.
01:07:35.740 --> 01:07:40.650
That was as if the whole world
came crashing down on me.
01:07:45.600 --> 01:07:49.550
I thought my mother
will never get over this.
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:10.000
Gran, when we arrived here,
didn't the family or yourself think
01:08:10.950 --> 01:08:17.050
there's something wrong with these kids
or something might've happened to them?
01:08:17.390 --> 01:08:20.600
- You didn't think that?
- I didn't.
01:08:20.790 --> 01:08:26.650
You're the ones who said
things weren't right in that family.
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:28.600
- We told you?
- You did.
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:30.550
I can't remember.
01:08:31.690 --> 01:08:35.550
We told you the story as kids,
is that right?
01:08:47.990 --> 01:08:52.150
We thought we'd never talked about it
till we reached 20.
01:08:52.350 --> 01:08:55.150
Yes, you did speak to me.
01:08:55.340 --> 01:09:00.700
Jules did say a few things to me too.
01:09:01.040 --> 01:09:02.950
I thought:
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:08.550
"These people were bastards.
Ordinary people.
01:09:08.740 --> 01:09:12.750
"To treat you the way they did."
01:09:19.200 --> 01:09:23.600
- Did you tell Mum?
- I didn't!
01:09:24.240 --> 01:09:26.450
I never told anyone.
01:09:30.700 --> 01:09:33.850
Not even...
She never told you?
01:09:34.040 --> 01:09:35.300
No, she didn't.
01:09:35.740 --> 01:09:41.200
How did you manage to keep things
to yourself? That must have hurt.
01:09:41.990 --> 01:09:45.300
It must've been painful to hear that.
01:09:45.490 --> 01:09:46.500
To me?
01:09:49.040 --> 01:09:51.950
It upset me.
01:09:52.790 --> 01:09:56.600
I couldn't believe
those things could happen.
01:10:08.900 --> 01:10:12.200
It's true that this case...
01:10:12.790 --> 01:10:15.850
When the social services turned up...
01:10:16.890 --> 01:10:19.150
- Who did?
- Social services.
01:10:19.350 --> 01:10:23.800
Mum didn't ask for us
to be put in a foster home.
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:29.300
There was an investigation.
A single mother with that many kids
01:10:29.500 --> 01:10:32.400
could not stay in such a tiny flat.
01:10:32.590 --> 01:10:35.300
It was never Mum's decision.
01:10:35.890 --> 01:10:39.650
That's always been important to me.
You see?
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:40.700
Sure.
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.000
You're going to get some rest.
01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:49.300
I will lie down for a while.
01:10:49.500 --> 01:10:52.250
We'll see you again after your nap.
01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:53.800
Cool.
01:11:24.350 --> 01:11:29.500
I find it hard to look at Gran
in the eyes and ask her questions
01:11:29.700 --> 01:11:32.150
like we've been doing all day.
01:11:37.890 --> 01:11:43.250
I'm not saying it's too late,
but it's kind of like that...
01:11:43.450 --> 01:11:48.910
I think I have gone too far already
to try and understand why.
01:11:49.300 --> 01:11:52.600
"That's his fault."
"She didn't see that."
01:11:53.390 --> 01:11:56.350
"I didn't do what I should've."
01:12:01.990 --> 01:12:04.800
I have enough answers now.
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:07.900
Today I feel like
01:12:08.090 --> 01:12:12.600
even if someone were to tell me
something I didn't expect.
01:12:12.790 --> 01:12:15.250
something I'm not expecting,
01:12:19.200 --> 01:12:22.450
I feel it wouldn't shake me anymore.
01:12:28.140 --> 01:12:30.950
I carried lot of anger anyway.
01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:37.050
Particularly a my mother.
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:46.250
I needed to blame someone
and those responsible were out of reach.
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.650
All of them got questioned one by one.
01:12:54.850 --> 01:12:58.350
At least, they were put to shame.
01:12:59.590 --> 01:13:02.500
It's a cheap price to pay
01:13:05.550 --> 01:13:08.400
for terrorizing children
01:13:09.050 --> 01:13:12.150
and ruining a part of their lives.
01:13:12.350 --> 01:13:14.650
Schizophrenia doesn't just happen.
01:13:14.850 --> 01:13:18.100
"Oh, she's fragile,
don't know what's wrong.
01:13:18.300 --> 01:13:20.800
"Her brother is strange too."
01:13:26.190 --> 01:13:28.050
Try to get over that.
01:13:30.450 --> 01:13:33.900
If the trial were to be held now,
how would it go
01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:36.350
compared to 20 years ago?
01:13:37.200 --> 01:13:40.500
I didn't quite understand the jury:
01:13:40.700 --> 01:13:43.350
he's guilty but he walks.
01:13:45.550 --> 01:13:50.850
That was a slap in the face, you know.
01:13:56.700 --> 01:14:00.000
You speak out,
they say it's not normal,
01:14:00.200 --> 01:14:03.150
what happened in that family?
01:14:03.940 --> 01:14:06.200
What did they do to you?
01:14:06.950 --> 01:14:09.000
You get to the trial
01:14:09.200 --> 01:14:11.450
which lasts two days.
01:14:14.750 --> 01:14:17.100
And the guy walks free anyway.
01:14:17.300 --> 01:14:19.600
What do you want me to say?
01:14:22.340 --> 01:14:25.950
This time, I can't say
it was nobody's fault.
01:14:26.950 --> 01:14:29.150
These are different times.
01:14:29.350 --> 01:14:33.150
We're talking 15 years later.
01:14:36.090 --> 01:14:37.200
Later.
01:14:37.390 --> 01:14:38.550
Later.
01:14:45.440 --> 01:14:47.750
What do I do with that anyway?
01:14:47.950 --> 01:14:49.850
Except be angry.
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:55.250
I was in such a bad way then
I didn't even appeal.
01:14:55.440 --> 01:14:56.950
I could have.
01:15:30.650 --> 01:15:32.050
Are you tired?
01:15:33.250 --> 01:15:34.500
Shall we stop?
01:16:04.300 --> 01:16:06.450
Is she still sleeping?
01:16:08.540 --> 01:16:10.800
Go and see her if you like.
01:16:12.400 --> 01:16:14.200
Not if she's sleeping.
01:16:14.390 --> 01:16:16.400
Let's leave her to rest.
01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:19.300
- She needs it.
- She needs to wake up too.
01:16:19.500 --> 01:16:21.550
- She needs it.
- Sorry?
01:16:21.750 --> 01:16:23.700
She needs to rest.
01:16:26.240 --> 01:16:28.400
I'm dreading it a bit.
01:16:29.290 --> 01:16:30.500
All that.
01:16:30.690 --> 01:16:33.950
I don't want to hear one day:
01:16:35.390 --> 01:16:39.600
we found her,
she was committed involuntarily
01:16:39.790 --> 01:16:43.650
because she was ill.
That's what I fear.
01:16:44.350 --> 01:16:45.850
She's fragile.
01:16:46.890 --> 01:16:48.750
I'm afraid about that.
01:16:51.450 --> 01:16:54.300
It doesn't take much, you know.
01:16:55.440 --> 01:16:57.300
It doesn't take much.
01:17:01.250 --> 01:17:02.650
Because...
01:17:03.290 --> 01:17:07.150
Everyone gets down sometimes,
01:17:08.350 --> 01:17:10.700
but when it comes to her,
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.800
that little episode
can be ten times worse.
01:17:18.850 --> 01:17:20.400
It's not the same.
01:17:21.350 --> 01:17:27.400
In the last 3 years that you've been
together, she's not relapsed.
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:28.550
No.
01:17:29.740 --> 01:17:30.900
No.
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:34.250
That's a good thing.
01:17:35.850 --> 01:17:37.050
But...
01:17:41.040 --> 01:17:42.850
I feel good with her.
01:17:43.040 --> 01:17:44.950
We like being together.
01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:48.450
When she's away
01:17:49.650 --> 01:17:52.450
for a few days, I really miss her.
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.600
I can't even talk about these memories.
01:20:25.390 --> 01:20:26.900
They're so...
01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:02.800
I recognise everything
since I could bring you here
01:21:02.990 --> 01:21:04.750
without knowing the address.
01:21:04.950 --> 01:21:05.950
But...
01:21:08.390 --> 01:21:10.500
I was a kid.
01:21:11.740 --> 01:21:14.450
Everything looks smaller
01:21:16.100 --> 01:21:18.150
than how I remember it.
01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:30.800
I'll be right back.
01:21:49.650 --> 01:21:52.700
I can feel something really strong.
01:21:56.090 --> 01:21:58.000
I'm a warrior actually.
01:21:58.300 --> 01:21:59.550
Honestly.
01:22:08.540 --> 01:22:10.100
I'm a warrior.
01:22:11.090 --> 01:22:14.000
That's what I'm telling myself now.
01:23:21.740 --> 01:23:25.100
I think it's only fair
I've pulled through.
01:23:27.040 --> 01:23:29.800
Sometimes, we say life is unfair.
01:23:29.990 --> 01:23:33.200
That's the word which springs to mind.
01:23:34.750 --> 01:23:37.300
You mentioned pride yesterday.
01:23:39.200 --> 01:23:43.400
I must say I am proud of myself.
I hardly ever say that.
01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:47.150
That's why I said soon after...
01:23:50.190 --> 01:23:51.650
Basically,
01:23:57.400 --> 01:24:00.650
I said it wasn't boasting.
01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:04.450
I am proud actually
01:24:04.650 --> 01:24:09.550
to be who I am now
or who I became in spite of it all.
01:24:11.700 --> 01:24:16.850
In our family, we manage to pull through
in spite of it all.
01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:21.000
You and Jules.
01:24:22.550 --> 01:24:26.700
At that time, I put posters
of Marilyn Monroe everywhere.
01:24:27.750 --> 01:24:31.500
My role model.
Can you imagine as a Senegalese girl?
01:24:31.690 --> 01:24:35.200
I was a fan.
Did I never mention that?
01:24:35.390 --> 01:24:36.500
Marilyn.
01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:43.650
Mum, Jules and Julie at the clinic.
01:24:48.690 --> 01:24:49.800
Who's that?
01:24:49.990 --> 01:24:54.450
The lady who suggested my Mum
to call us Jules and Julie.
01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:57.850
She thought it sounded better.
01:24:59.540 --> 01:25:03.000
What do you mean?
She thought it sounded better?
01:25:03.250 --> 01:25:06.650
She liked the names
Yaye Bigué and Souleimane,
01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:10.300
but she thought black twins
named Jules and Julie
01:25:10.500 --> 01:25:12.050
would be fun.
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.000
My mother took her advice.
01:25:17.390 --> 01:25:19.900
It's as simple as that.
01:25:23.550 --> 01:25:26.450
They settle out there
for money laundering purposes.
01:25:26.650 --> 01:25:29.800
Money laundering
where there's nothing is hard.
01:25:30.440 --> 01:25:34.650
They soon realised
that the community...
01:25:35.590 --> 01:25:36.800
Bye now.
01:25:39.590 --> 01:25:40.950
See you soon.
01:25:42.150 --> 01:25:45.550
- See you on Thursday.
- That's right.
01:25:46.250 --> 01:25:47.700
Have a nice evening.
01:25:49.740 --> 01:25:50.800
The other side.
01:25:54.040 --> 01:25:55.400
There you are.
01:25:57.500 --> 01:25:58.650
Come on.
01:25:59.650 --> 01:26:00.800
Funny.
01:26:13.240 --> 01:26:15.650
Oh yes, beguine is a good dance.
01:26:44.990 --> 01:26:46.800
Back then, the slaves.
01:26:46.990 --> 01:26:48.550
And the cassava.
01:26:50.150 --> 01:26:51.850
They had to grate the cassava.
01:26:52.050 --> 01:26:52.800
Show me.
01:26:53.140 --> 01:26:55.300
You got the grater,
the cassava.
01:27:02.700 --> 01:27:04.350
It still goes...
01:27:08.950 --> 01:27:11.200
With your arms like this?
Shoulders?
01:27:11.390 --> 01:27:12.800
As you like.
01:27:12.990 --> 01:27:14.450
I was told...
01:27:18.350 --> 01:27:20.500
As long as you got that, anything goes.
01:27:25.140 --> 01:27:28.400
Do whatever you like
with your neck.
01:27:41.390 --> 01:27:44.750
They found the secret of a salary
based on budget...
01:27:44.950 --> 01:27:46.300
Good evening.
01:27:52.100 --> 01:27:53.450
All good.
01:28:01.190 --> 01:28:02.900
There was a scare?
01:28:03.700 --> 01:28:06.300
A report on alcoholics?
01:28:07.150 --> 01:28:08.900
We found you guys.
01:28:09.100 --> 01:28:10.850
We never got lost.
01:28:13.850 --> 01:28:17.800
- We're on the straight and narrow.
- That's right.
01:29:07.050 --> 01:29:09.350
I'd like to move that.
01:29:10.350 --> 01:29:12.100
I want it over there.
01:29:13.140 --> 01:29:15.200
There's a socket too.
01:29:15.850 --> 01:29:17.900
You want the lamp too?
01:29:19.150 --> 01:29:20.050
Please.
01:29:35.440 --> 01:29:38.850
We talked about responsibilities
earlier on.
01:29:40.400 --> 01:29:46.150
10 years ago, it would have been
very tricky to be where I am now.
01:29:47.390 --> 01:29:50.400
It could have been dangerous, even.
01:29:51.490 --> 01:29:56.950
I'll skip the details,
but it could've been dangerous.
01:29:58.440 --> 01:30:04.050
Yes, he picked the right time
to turn up, the little one.
01:30:35.790 --> 01:30:38.150
You've got a lovely smile.
01:31:03.200 --> 01:31:06.950
Take your time
when you're just waking up.
01:31:18.740 --> 01:31:20.600
Mia is here with us.
01:31:22.450 --> 01:31:24.650
Your Auntie Mia is here.
01:31:28.650 --> 01:31:32.650
It was as if she was pregnant too.
It was weird.
01:31:33.500 --> 01:31:35.250
Wasn't it, Auntie Mia?
01:31:36.390 --> 01:31:37.550
Wasn't it?
01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:45.400
She'd got cravings too.
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:51.900
She was a pain
just like a pregnant woman.
01:31:56.490 --> 01:31:57.550
My baby.
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:11.500
That's how I want to present things.
01:32:13.190 --> 01:32:16.100
I talk about the metro
and these other women.
01:32:16.290 --> 01:32:20.550
All those black women in the carriage
of the first metro at 5 am,
01:32:21.300 --> 01:32:23.350
they'll understand then.
01:32:23.540 --> 01:32:24.750
Again.
01:32:25.490 --> 01:32:26.700
Another way,
01:32:27.340 --> 01:32:28.250
I meant.
01:32:29.700 --> 01:32:31.500
My mother's sacrifice.
01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:35.200
Because, do I mention it or not?
01:32:35.390 --> 01:32:36.650
I'm listening.
01:32:44.250 --> 01:32:48.850
It's 8 am, I'm ready to leave.
My train is coming, busy,
01:32:49.040 --> 01:32:50.500
choc-a-bloc.
01:32:52.240 --> 01:32:55.750
Got my headphones on,
Nina Simone is with me.
01:32:55.950 --> 01:32:58.650
It feels like I'm going away.
01:33:02.690 --> 01:33:05.050
But I'm just going to work.
01:33:08.090 --> 01:33:12.350
Packed together,
people smell nice at this hour.
01:33:13.950 --> 01:33:19.100
At each station, people push and shout.
They moan, but I don't.
01:33:20.850 --> 01:33:26.050
Hands overlap on the central pole,
mine's among all the others.
01:33:27.140 --> 01:33:31.900
The crowd tramples, I trample.
It moves forward, I move with it.
01:33:33.700 --> 01:33:38.600
Between a suit and a cleaning lady,
I'm overjoyed.
01:33:41.390 --> 01:33:43.550
I finally belong.
01:33:46.200 --> 01:33:47.700
I am society.
01:33:53.400 --> 01:33:56.500
Come on, ladies and gentlemen,
move those fingers.
01:33:56.700 --> 01:33:58.200
Above your head.
01:33:59.340 --> 01:34:00.700
To the right.
01:34:01.250 --> 01:34:02.450
And down.
01:34:04.650 --> 01:34:07.300
Come on, your left hand in front.
01:34:07.500 --> 01:34:09.400
Move those fingers,
01:34:09.590 --> 01:34:11.250
up over your head...