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To me,
the Metaverse is everything.

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It's a universe.

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You can see a dragon
with a wizard.

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And then you might even see like
a koala bear in the same room,

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which makes no sense,
but that's what's so cool.

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And my favourite part

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is going in random games
andjust being like, hi.

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And someone else will say like,
hey, to you.

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The appeal of the Metaverse,
to me,

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is that it's an extension of me.

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We get to look how
we want to look,

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we get to sound how
we want to sound.

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It gives us access
to another world.

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The Metaverse is
virtually limitless,

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if you know how to use it.

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You have the
freedom to role play

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and interact with other people

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as if you have like
your own new life.

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We'd all like to pretend that
really issues aren't there.

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I'd like to pretend it is a
perfect universe, but it's not.

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The digital age has
become extremely dangerous

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for young people.

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We're talking specifically
about the Metaverse.

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Grooming, child sexual grooming,

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one infringement
every seven minutes.

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The man will remain behind bars
for kidnapping a New Jersey girl

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that he met through the
online video game, Roblox.

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A video game that's
popular with children

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is being trolled
by Neo-Nazi extremists.

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At least 10 people have
been shot and killed.

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The shooter
was radicalized online.

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Corporations like
leaving it to us,

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so we feel the need
to take control.

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If we don't band together,
no one else will.

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We need to save the Metaverse.

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That's cool.

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That kind of sounds like
a spy track, I like that shit.

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I love Roblox.

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I make Roblox music,
make Roblox YouTube videos.

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And I run my own Roblox news
account with 700,000 followers.

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So, what I'm doing right now,
is I'm in a game,

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it's called Conveyor Sushi
Restaurant.

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And so, basically I'm eating
with other people, virtual food.

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So,
if I can't afford a restaurant

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but I want to go to one and
have the similar experience,

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I go to Conveyor Sushi,

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and I just eat sushi and have
a conversation with my friend,

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almost as if it was real.

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Roblox,

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it's a social gaming platform
that allows users to play,

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create games, and hang out with
their friends all in one place.

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We're a species that,

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from like pre-history,
we know that play has been this,

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like, inconceivably vast
part of the development of us

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and our societies.

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And Roblox corporation enables
people to play with each other.

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There are many popular
Metaverse-like platforms

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available today.

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You have Minecraft, which has
about 160 million monthly users.

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You have Fortnite, which has
about 220 million monthly users.

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You have Roblox, which is about
200 million monthly users.

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Roblox has been
around since 2004.

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Our foundation has always been

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all about reimagining
the way people communicate.

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There are millions and millions
of games and experiences.

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We actually call
them experiences

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because truly they
are immersive worlds.

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They're role play,
they're hang outs,

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where there's not an end goal.

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And 100% of our content
is user generated content.

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To me,
the Metaverse is a real world.

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Itsbina has been creating
incredible works like

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this since 2016.

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There is real fashion.

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Amelytic is a designer
and a gaming enthusiast.

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Roblox has a currency
called Robux,

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so, kids can use this money
to buy stuff on Roblox,

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whether that be shirts,
game passes, new accessories.

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I can go to a concert
with someone.

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The biggest concert on Roblox
ever, was Little NAS X.

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So many people showed up.

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Everyone had a great time.

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It was like we were
attending a real concert.

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Are you going to that baby
event with Ava on Saturday?

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Um, yeah.
If she wants to go, I'll go.

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Alex is a twin, and she is
the older of my two twins.

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And she's attending college.

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She was always very curious

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and always wanted to learn as
much as she could about things.

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She has a genetic condition:
osteochondroma,

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where there's bone deposits

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on different joints that
can cause some deformities

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and cause some, you know,

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symptoms with
nerves and muscles.

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In school,
I honestly really struggled

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because I did not have
that many friends.

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I felt like I didn't fit in.

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I felt like, you know,

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I have this big
fear of being hated

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and I think school
made that worse

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because I felt like a
lot of people hated me.

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Do you want to play Roblox, Ava?
-Sure!

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Going home,
on Roblox, was like my escape.

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It doesn't matter if
you're disabled or abled,

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everyone's included.

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All you need is a device
and you can participate

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in anything you want.

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How many games are
on this platform?

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Billions and billions--

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Like... 100,000, I think.

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This is actually made
by my friend.

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My friend made this game.

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I think because it's
so decentralized

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and because there's
no regulation,

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the Metaverse, in itself,

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is just a big breeding
ground of problems.

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I noticed Roblox
has a predator issue

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when I first encountered
my first exploiter.

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I started noticing
kids being lured

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by adults, and I'm like,
whoa, that's not okay.

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You can see that a
lot of people here

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are kind of just here
for sexual activity.

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Social games like this are
essentially breeding grounds

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for kids getting taken
advantage of by adults

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because you don't know
who's behind the screen.

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As you can see, this guy's
sexually harassing me,

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he's going,
"give me them coconut."

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Coconut basically means
someone's, you know, top.

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You'll find that a lot of male
players have this toxic mindset,

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where they'll just
tell you bend over.

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Yep, bend over.

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Perfect.

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This guy's trying to
hump me, as you can see,

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he's going back
and forth doing this action.

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It's considered
humping, on Roblox.

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It's just weird, like this
entire game is weird.

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I've tried emailing Roblox
about predator issues,

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I've tried contacting them,
and honestly,

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they never respond
directly to this stuff.

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And because they won't do
anything directly themselves,

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I feel the need to take
matters into my own hands

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and to raise awareness about
these issues

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on my own platforms.

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I investigate predators
in multiple ways.

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For my cases,
I don't get screenshots

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because screenshots
are very easily faked.

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If it's screenshots,
it's flimsy,

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and that's the issue, you can't
work with flimsy evidence.

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So I'll have them
send a screen video,

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because you can't
fake a screen video.

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These predators,

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a lot of them will try and
disprove this evidence.

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They'll try and
say it's not real.

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And then that's how a lot
of them get away with it.

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Somebody videoed
this person that is

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pornography art
of them and a minor.

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This art
is absolutely disgusting.

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This is the evidence that we
typically forward to police.

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This is a video I made
on a child predator.

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I called it "Mah_Bucket:

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The Most Disgusting
Roblox Predator."

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This video does contain mentions
of grooming, paedophilia,

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and much more.

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If you are uncomfortable
with these topics,

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please click off the video.

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I do not want anyone to
feel hurt by this video,

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or upset or triggered.

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This is Mah_Bucket,

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who is a developer who
is most known for his games,

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Grab The Child, and he's also
worked on Cleaning Simulator.

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He is a prominent
developer in the community.

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During the video, you can see
this evidence of Mah_Bucket

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under a different alias
called Cheesecake.

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(Bleep) tried to
explain to a 14 year old

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how to assault their
younger sibling.

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(Bleep) has also admitted
to having thoughts

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of wanting to assault
his younger sibling.

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What releasing
a video helps achieve,

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is it, first,
documents the case.

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It also lets people know,
"hey, this person's a predator,"

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and that they can't
run away from it

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even if they're
under a new alias,

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because their name is going
to come up in that video.

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Hi, Alex, how are you?

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I'm good. How are you?

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I'm good. Okay.

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So, like, I was so glad that
you did respond to my message.

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I have a proposal for you.

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What's your proposal?

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I want to discuss issues
dealing with child safety.

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Janae has been my friend
for a couple of years now,

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and she's a really big advocate

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for Black people and
Indigenous peoples.

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She is a person
with a good heart,

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and we both really want the best
for children on the Metaverse,

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and so we really connect
over those causes.

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The Metaverse is the wild,
wild west still.

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It's still emerging technology.
We still don't know everything.

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There are new experiences being
put together every single day.

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So, we are trying to make it

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so that people do
look at the Metaverse

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as some place that does
not need to be lawless.

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Keeping the Metaverse
safe is a full time job.

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Unfortunately,
I'm not getting paid to do it.

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So, how's your nose
piercing handling so far?

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-The first one you had redone?
-It did really well...

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I like the creative
side of body piercing.

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I love it when
customers come in

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and they're just like,
I just want three piercings,

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and they really only know
one piercing that they want

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and just let me go crazy
with the other two.

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And then at night, I stream.

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Hey everyone,
welcome to the stream.

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My name is Janey...

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Normally,
I am up at least 18 hours a day,

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so, any given time,
I could be streaming.

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Oh my God, I messed up already.

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A lot of what I will
stream will be video games.

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I have been gaming
for all of my life.

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This upcoming Monday,

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we are actually going to
start our Java server.

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One day, I was streaming
and everyone was like,

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"oh, go play
this game Minecraft!"

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And I said, "I have no
idea what a Minecraft is."

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And so,
I go ahead and start Googling

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and everything looked
blocky and just disgusting.

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And I was like,
"oh my God, this game is stupid,

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I'm not going to like it."

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Ooh, look at this!

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But, here we are,

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over 15,000 hours later,
and I still play the game.

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What made me really fall in
love with Minecraft was the idea

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that whatever I want to
do with my imagination,

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I can do.

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Minecraft is a huge
open world game

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where you can play
by yourself or play with others.

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My avatar is definitely a
representation

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of my personality,

00:13:09.563 --> 00:13:12.859
also of just like how
I would see myself.

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She's fun looking.
I think she's fun.

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Early days of playing Minecraft,

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I hopped on to the game,
super duper excited,

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but it became apparent to me

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that there were no people
that looked like me.

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And that's when I
started getting killed

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over and over and over again.

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It's called spawn killing.

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Unfortunately, with a lot of
these Metaverse platforms,

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it's easy for people
to get killed,

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right as they jump into
the game and spawn.

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Because my Skin represents me,

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it felt like they
wanted to kill me.

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Then after that, I used a Skin
that represented a white person,

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and then I wasn't getting
spawn killed anymore.

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The normalization
of extreme rhetoric

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is perhaps the most nefarious
thing that's happening

00:14:15.552 --> 00:14:18.061
in these Metaverse-like
spaces today,

00:14:18.086 --> 00:14:20.372
because when hate is
normalized in one space,

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it normalizes in all spaces.

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Extremists are recruiting
children as young as 12,

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on popular chat forums
and online games.

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We have evidence
that extremist groups

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do actively exploit games
like Minecraft and Roblox,

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by going into these spaces
to actively radicalize

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and recruit people
to their cause.

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It's actually much quicker to
recruit and radicalize people

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on these gaming platforms

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when you have this
sense of immersion,

00:14:53.188 --> 00:14:55.952
because it enables the malicious
actor

00:14:55.988 --> 00:14:58.226
to win the trust even faster.

00:15:01.362 --> 00:15:03.042
After I encountered everything,

00:15:03.331 --> 00:15:06.951
I did not know how to fully
get in touch with Minecraft.

00:15:07.297 --> 00:15:10.024
And I would talk about
it a lot on stream.

00:15:10.049 --> 00:15:12.636
When it comes down to
the Minecraft community,

00:15:12.661 --> 00:15:15.389
I wanted to be able to showcase

00:15:15.414 --> 00:15:18.848
all of the amazing
Black content creators.

00:15:18.873 --> 00:15:21.801
It's something that is needed
within the Black community,

00:15:21.837 --> 00:15:24.357
within the minority
communities...

00:15:24.382 --> 00:15:26.034
Some Minecraft developers

00:15:26.059 --> 00:15:28.772
and community managers
went into my stream,

00:15:29.107 --> 00:15:30.807
and I would
recognize the names.

00:15:31.221 --> 00:15:34.852
But then I was like, well, they
need to change these things.

00:15:35.266 --> 00:15:38.509
So, I kept on just having the
same conversations

00:15:38.534 --> 00:15:39.812
over and over,

00:15:39.837 --> 00:15:43.446
and then I just hopped
right into activism.

00:15:43.471 --> 00:15:46.593
And that is when Black
Minecraft was born.

00:15:47.341 --> 00:15:49.008
This right here is
Matrisse Moon.

00:15:49.033 --> 00:15:51.739
Like, you guys, peep,
peep all of our Skins.

00:15:51.764 --> 00:15:54.261
You have a whole
bunch of melanin.

00:15:54.540 --> 00:15:57.098
I actually set up
a gaming server

00:15:57.123 --> 00:15:58.918
where it was just all of us

00:15:58.943 --> 00:16:01.207
playing Minecraft
with each other.

00:16:01.419 --> 00:16:04.314
Friends, let's take
a group picture. Group photo.

00:16:04.339 --> 00:16:07.142
I was like, "yo, all my friends
come show out."

00:16:07.167 --> 00:16:08.627
"Let's go ahead and have fun."

00:16:08.652 --> 00:16:11.146
And we had the most, like,

00:16:11.171 --> 00:16:13.567
I don't know, I don't want to
say the most Black conversation,

00:16:13.592 --> 00:16:16.325
but we were ourselves
without having to say,

00:16:16.350 --> 00:16:19.375
"Oh, I'm sorry, I'm going
to tone it down a bit."

00:16:20.502 --> 00:16:24.200
Every single time
I hear about someone being

00:16:24.383 --> 00:16:27.516
overly harassed, mistreated,

00:16:27.541 --> 00:16:29.132
and really, like,

00:16:29.157 --> 00:16:32.184
emotionally and verbally
abused on a video game,

00:16:32.209 --> 00:16:33.940
it fires me up.

00:16:36.162 --> 00:16:38.833
I just want to keep kids safe,

00:16:38.858 --> 00:16:40.552
keep Black people safe,

00:16:40.577 --> 00:16:43.728
keep all types of people safe
on the internet and in gaming.

00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.152
So it sounds like it's really
kind of scary a little bit.

00:16:48.177 --> 00:16:49.321
Yeah.

00:16:49.346 --> 00:16:52.862
How do I keep these kids
safe while keeping myself safe?

00:16:52.887 --> 00:16:55.179
Yeah, well, you know,
it's hard when you're like,

00:16:55.204 --> 00:16:57.244
you probably heard the
term whistleblower, right?

00:16:57.269 --> 00:16:58.773
I'm very proud of Alex.

00:16:58.798 --> 00:17:01.660
I think it takes a
strong willed person

00:17:01.685 --> 00:17:03.579
to identify a problem
and then act on it.

00:17:03.604 --> 00:17:05.604
It's easy to sit
there and be negative.

00:17:06.057 --> 00:17:10.402
But I think Alex has really used
her skills to make that change.

00:17:10.515 --> 00:17:12.249
I started to do this work

00:17:12.443 --> 00:17:14.425
because my friend came
to me with an issue

00:17:14.450 --> 00:17:17.907
when she was being groomed
in the Roblox community.

00:17:18.432 --> 00:17:20.050
I see this a lot.

00:17:20.075 --> 00:17:22.688
I see a lot of people
being taken advantage of.

00:17:35.958 --> 00:17:39.846
My name is Katie.
I am 17 years old.

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When I was really young,

00:17:43.177 --> 00:17:46.919
one of my friends showed
me a game on Roblox

00:17:47.366 --> 00:17:49.066
and I looked it
up when I got home

00:17:49.114 --> 00:17:50.878
and asked my mom
if I could play it.

00:17:51.199 --> 00:17:54.484
Oh, look, it's like you're
levitating across the...

00:17:54.542 --> 00:17:56.288
Yeah,
they're like conveyor belts,

00:17:56.313 --> 00:17:57.437
you can get to them quickly.

00:17:57.462 --> 00:17:59.762
But yeah, this is somebody
else's theme park.

00:18:00.016 --> 00:18:02.207
And then...
Ooh! This one looks nice.

00:18:02.386 --> 00:18:04.136
So, you have 11,000?

00:18:04.719 --> 00:18:06.620
When Katie first
started playing Roblox,

00:18:06.645 --> 00:18:09.254
it seemed like it
was very educational.

00:18:09.444 --> 00:18:12.216
And she was very engaged with
it and seemed to enjoy it.

00:18:12.241 --> 00:18:14.343
She would mention
she had a few friends

00:18:14.368 --> 00:18:17.033
that I knew of that were local
that would be on there, too.

00:18:17.324 --> 00:18:19.214
And it seemed like a
very innocent thing

00:18:19.239 --> 00:18:20.710
where she could interact
with her friends

00:18:20.735 --> 00:18:22.462
without having to be
at each other's house.

00:18:23.221 --> 00:18:24.732
You remember me
showing you this?

00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:26.279
Yeah.

00:18:26.304 --> 00:18:27.618
Yeah, I remember you were like,

00:18:27.642 --> 00:18:28.956
"you should add
like a fire pit."

00:18:28.980 --> 00:18:30.438
So I did.

00:18:31.264 --> 00:18:32.850
What I really loved about Roblox

00:18:32.875 --> 00:18:35.187
was the fact that I would meet
friends on there

00:18:35.211 --> 00:18:36.558
and talk to people.

00:18:36.625 --> 00:18:39.286
It felt like I was
able to...

00:18:39.311 --> 00:18:42.645
connect with people more
online than I was in person.

00:18:44.777 --> 00:18:47.906
There was a game
called Sonic Simulator.

00:18:48.487 --> 00:18:50.690
I loved everything
about that game.

00:18:50.715 --> 00:18:54.715
Katie became obsessed with
Sonic for a long time,

00:18:54.740 --> 00:18:56.646
so we have lots
of figures of those.

00:18:57.092 --> 00:19:00.065
She always knew what she wanted
to be when it came to Halloween.

00:19:00.090 --> 00:19:02.521
I think we did Sonic like
two or three years in a row.

00:19:02.546 --> 00:19:04.596
It was all I would talk about,
you know,

00:19:04.621 --> 00:19:08.019
it was all, all I could
fixate on, when I was younger.

00:19:09.593 --> 00:19:10.793
I remember one time,

00:19:10.830 --> 00:19:13.862
I was playing Sonic with
a friend from the UK,

00:19:13.887 --> 00:19:15.447
when I was 12  years old.

00:19:16.730 --> 00:19:20.606
And my Discord server was
linked to Sonic Simulator.

00:19:21.522 --> 00:19:23.656
Discord is a program
that lets gamers

00:19:23.681 --> 00:19:25.220
or anybody talk to each other.

00:19:25.245 --> 00:19:26.633
It lets you create chat rooms,

00:19:26.658 --> 00:19:28.843
it lets you direct message,
and it lets you voice chat.

00:19:28.868 --> 00:19:31.644
The thing about Discord is
that it's not moderated at all.

00:19:31.669 --> 00:19:34.095
Anyone is free to send
friend requests to anybody,

00:19:34.120 --> 00:19:36.211
or create chat
rooms of their own,

00:19:36.236 --> 00:19:38.551
and then invite people
into those chat rooms.

00:19:39.263 --> 00:19:42.548
A friend from the UK had
invited me to his server

00:19:42.682 --> 00:19:47.218
and Doc randomly joined
just to see what's going on.

00:19:47.821 --> 00:19:51.251
Doctor Rofatnik is one
of the biggest Roblox developers

00:19:51.276 --> 00:19:54.075
on the platform,
and people loved him for it.

00:19:54.100 --> 00:19:55.100
Let's rock!

00:19:58.061 --> 00:19:59.896
Roblox, from its very inception,

00:19:59.921 --> 00:20:01.737
was designed as
a platform for kids

00:20:01.761 --> 00:20:04.617
to make games for other kids,

00:20:04.642 --> 00:20:06.967
and today,
it's also kids making clothes

00:20:06.991 --> 00:20:09.054
for other kids,
and accessories as well.

00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:13.355
Children who make money in
Roblox are paid in Robux,

00:20:13.590 --> 00:20:16.490
that you can convert back into
like United States dollars.

00:20:16.608 --> 00:20:17.947
When Roblox first started,

00:20:17.972 --> 00:20:20.826
you could be a kid working
and making a simple game

00:20:20.852 --> 00:20:22.076
and then putting it online.

00:20:22.101 --> 00:20:24.242
Now, the games are
getting more complicated,

00:20:24.267 --> 00:20:26.501
which means the kind
of jobs that exist in real life,

00:20:26.526 --> 00:20:29.268
adult video game development
studios are showing up.

00:20:30.767 --> 00:20:32.389
The most successful Roblox
developers

00:20:32.414 --> 00:20:33.690
have become millionaires.

00:20:33.715 --> 00:20:35.447
You hear stories about
Roblox developers,

00:20:35.472 --> 00:20:37.563
you know, paying off
their parent's mortgage,

00:20:37.588 --> 00:20:38.898
dropping out of school,

00:20:38.923 --> 00:20:42.333
creating whole real life
massive game development studios

00:20:42.358 --> 00:20:43.965
that employ dozens of people.

00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.080
Anyone can make
their own games,

00:20:46.105 --> 00:20:48.687
and anybody can just open
Roblox Studio for free

00:20:48.712 --> 00:20:50.167
and just start making things.

00:20:50.317 --> 00:20:52.676
And Doc was just
one of those people.

00:20:53.056 --> 00:20:55.493
Doctor Rofatnik made
a lot of Sonic games.

00:20:56.196 --> 00:20:58.578
You could play as any
character you wanted.

00:20:58.712 --> 00:21:01.249
You could role play.
It was super fun.

00:21:01.477 --> 00:21:04.356
He has hundreds
of thousands of followers.

00:21:04.381 --> 00:21:06.667
He is a celebrity on Roblox.

00:21:08.431 --> 00:21:11.805
Doc was the project lead
of Sonic Eclipse Online.

00:21:11.962 --> 00:21:14.187
He was well known
in the community.

00:21:15.546 --> 00:21:17.011
I was so excited.

00:21:17.277 --> 00:21:19.113
Doc's this powerful figure,
you know,

00:21:19.138 --> 00:21:20.642
he's a powerhouse
of a developer.

00:21:21.614 --> 00:21:24.514
Eventually, he invites me to
Sonic Eclipse Online server.

00:21:25.257 --> 00:21:28.084
It made me feel
excited and special,

00:21:28.109 --> 00:21:30.004
because he knows
so many people.

00:21:30.562 --> 00:21:33.234
He was also older,
quite a bit older than me.

00:21:35.031 --> 00:21:36.325
After a certain point,

00:21:36.350 --> 00:21:39.143
he started, like, messaging me,
like direct messaging me.

00:21:39.902 --> 00:21:42.134
A lot of the time it
just started off with him

00:21:42.159 --> 00:21:44.459
saying suggestive things to me,

00:21:44.484 --> 00:21:47.177
then deleting them and saying
like, "oh, you saw nothing."

00:21:48.138 --> 00:21:49.972
That was the first time I ever
had chats

00:21:49.997 --> 00:21:51.434
like that with someone.

00:21:51.459 --> 00:21:53.164
And having that
sort of attention,

00:21:53.189 --> 00:21:55.619
I felt excited because it
was new to me, you know,

00:21:55.644 --> 00:21:57.126
and it felt nice.

00:22:05.280 --> 00:22:07.378
Sometimes I would
stay up all night

00:22:07.403 --> 00:22:09.570
on my phone when my
parents were asleep,

00:22:09.595 --> 00:22:11.275
like sneaking on
to talk to him.

00:22:12.996 --> 00:22:16.349
Doc would say he would drive
to my house if he could and just

00:22:16.374 --> 00:22:18.117
like,
have me jump out of the window

00:22:18.142 --> 00:22:20.750
and bring me to either
his house or the nearest motel.

00:22:21.486 --> 00:22:23.677
He was like talking
about how I was basically

00:22:23.702 --> 00:22:25.699
just a sex object to him.

00:22:26.414 --> 00:22:30.849
And the big thing was... rape.

00:22:33.829 --> 00:22:35.743
So we're in Roblox
playing a game,

00:22:35.779 --> 00:22:38.242
and my best friend
at the time was with us,

00:22:38.267 --> 00:22:43.293
and he locked my friend
in a house that he was making.

00:22:47.869 --> 00:22:50.608
And he would do things
to my avatar in game,

00:22:50.644 --> 00:22:52.389
like going back and forth like,
"I'm going to rape you,

00:22:52.414 --> 00:22:53.952
I'm gonna rape you,"
you  know?

00:22:53.977 --> 00:22:55.816
And I was outside
the house saying, like

00:22:55.841 --> 00:22:57.177
"no, stop!"

00:22:58.718 --> 00:23:01.268
And again, realizing how
uncomfortable it made me.

00:23:01.293 --> 00:23:03.968
And I eventually,
finally put my foot down.

00:23:03.993 --> 00:23:06.021
I was like, I'm not
comfortable with this anymore.

00:23:06.046 --> 00:23:07.046
Please stop.

00:23:07.171 --> 00:23:08.715
I told the whole
community that.

00:23:08.740 --> 00:23:11.540
And Doc said, "she clearly
doesn't know what she wants,

00:23:11.565 --> 00:23:14.465
you know, she's just, she's
immature. She doesn't get it."

00:23:14.766 --> 00:23:17.973
Eventually,
I'd gotten approached by

00:23:17.998 --> 00:23:20.915
a developer for
Sonic Eclipse Online

00:23:22.043 --> 00:23:24.324
and he had heard
about what happened.

00:23:24.349 --> 00:23:25.645
He was like disgusted.

00:23:25.670 --> 00:23:28.312
And he was just like, "hey,
I want you to show me everything

00:23:28.337 --> 00:23:30.533
you have related to Doc,
and I want

00:23:30.558 --> 00:23:32.647
you to tell me all the
information that you know,

00:23:32.682 --> 00:23:35.003
and all that, because I want
to get your word out there."

00:23:38.643 --> 00:23:40.373
He made a Google document

00:23:40.398 --> 00:23:42.341
of screenshots of
our conversations.

00:23:42.366 --> 00:23:43.922
It wasn't all of them,

00:23:43.947 --> 00:23:46.131
but it confirmed that
he knew I was 12.

00:23:46.156 --> 00:23:48.385
It also included
two other victims.

00:23:50.350 --> 00:23:52.030
Once the document was finished,

00:23:52.055 --> 00:23:55.321
they uploaded it on an
anonymous account on Twitter

00:23:55.346 --> 00:23:57.899
and spread the document around
through Discord servers,

00:23:57.924 --> 00:23:59.604
around through Discord servers,

00:24:02.812 --> 00:24:05.159
Everyone is seeing this document

00:24:05.183 --> 00:24:07.894
linked in a tweet
about Doctor Rofatnik.

00:24:08.397 --> 00:24:10.713
There's pages upon pages

00:24:10.737 --> 00:24:12.609
of evidence of Doctor Rofatnik

00:24:12.634 --> 00:24:14.941
doing horrible
things to children.

00:24:16.917 --> 00:24:18.651
Katie is so brave,

00:24:18.913 --> 00:24:22.066
so brave for talking about
something this horrible.

00:24:37.424 --> 00:24:40.341
I'm a YouTuber and
an investigative reporter,

00:24:40.366 --> 00:24:43.789
and one of the channels I work
for is called People Make Games.

00:24:45.118 --> 00:24:47.468
People Make Games started
looking into Roblox

00:24:47.493 --> 00:24:49.776
because the Roblox Corporation

00:24:49.801 --> 00:24:54.207
is reinventing child labour
for the 21st century.

00:24:54.232 --> 00:24:56.194
So we released
our first video on Roblox.

00:24:56.219 --> 00:24:57.623
If you don't know much
about Roblox,

00:24:57.648 --> 00:25:02.355
today, it is the most popular
video game in the US and Europe.

00:25:03.070 --> 00:25:04.602
After we released that video,

00:25:04.627 --> 00:25:07.051
we were immediately contacted
by hundreds of Roblox fans,

00:25:07.076 --> 00:25:09.406
and in amongst the hundreds
of messages,

00:25:09.431 --> 00:25:11.609
was one from a friend of Katie's

00:25:11.633 --> 00:25:14.998
saying that she was really
concerned about Katie.

00:25:15.210 --> 00:25:17.714
And so we released
our second video on Roblox.

00:25:17.739 --> 00:25:18.797
Content warning.

00:25:18.822 --> 00:25:21.449
In this video, we will be
displaying explicit messages

00:25:21.473 --> 00:25:22.643
that were sent to a minor,

00:25:22.668 --> 00:25:25.568
but we'll be giving you another
warning before it happens.

00:25:26.159 --> 00:25:28.998
Katie, who went by the name
Sarah in our reporting,

00:25:29.023 --> 00:25:31.897
she said that they had this
figure in their community

00:25:31.922 --> 00:25:33.446
who had a lot of social power,

00:25:33.471 --> 00:25:34.886
who they felt was an abuser.

00:25:34.911 --> 00:25:36.411
When I had first met him,

00:25:36.436 --> 00:25:39.949
he had mentioned his Roblox
fan game and I was like,

00:25:39.974 --> 00:25:42.404
"hey, I like Roblox, too."

00:25:42.429 --> 00:25:44.308
He was making
a Roblox Sonic fan game.

00:25:44.333 --> 00:25:47.511
Two things that had caught
my interest at the time.

00:25:47.536 --> 00:25:49.822
And then Katie
sent me screenshots

00:25:49.847 --> 00:25:51.443
of her communications with Doc,

00:25:51.468 --> 00:25:54.709
in which Doc was making,
like, deeply inappropriate jokes

00:25:54.734 --> 00:25:56.602
that are going to be
extraordinarily confusing

00:25:56.627 --> 00:25:57.673
to a 12 year old.

00:25:57.698 --> 00:25:59.872
He kept encouraging it,

00:25:59.897 --> 00:26:02.401
saying that it was okay
to make these jokes.

00:26:02.426 --> 00:26:05.671
It's not illegal,
it's not breaking any laws,

00:26:05.696 --> 00:26:08.160
even though it was
literally sexting.

00:26:08.518 --> 00:26:12.231
I remember feeling just
really ill equipped

00:26:12.256 --> 00:26:14.828
for this conversation
with a child.

00:26:15.218 --> 00:26:18.079
And what happened
next is word that Doc

00:26:18.104 --> 00:26:21.294
was a potentially dangerous
individual, spreads.

00:26:23.713 --> 00:26:26.049
The day the People Make
Games video came out,

00:26:26.362 --> 00:26:29.066
Sonic Eclipse Online server was
a complete riot.

00:26:29.091 --> 00:26:31.674
he whole Roblox community
knew about it at this point,

00:26:31.699 --> 00:26:33.261
so it was very hectic,

00:26:33.286 --> 00:26:36.670
and it did not take long for it
to spread eventually to Doc.

00:26:37.933 --> 00:26:40.214
And that's when a
response video dropped.

00:26:41.246 --> 00:26:43.245
And this is Doc speaking.

00:26:43.582 --> 00:26:46.995
So, let me start by apologizing
for the things I've said.

00:26:47.754 --> 00:26:50.692
My sense of humour has
always been very harsh,

00:26:50.766 --> 00:26:52.487
dark humour, if you will.

00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:54.939
And while it doesn't
excuse my behaviour,

00:26:54.964 --> 00:26:56.848
it does reveal that
I had no intention

00:26:56.872 --> 00:26:59.730
on moving on any
of the things I said.

00:27:00.208 --> 00:27:01.856
It was pretty common knowledge

00:27:01.881 --> 00:27:04.340
that these jokes were
being made in my community.

00:27:05.114 --> 00:27:08.349
The response video
ended with him

00:27:09.276 --> 00:27:12.542
saying the thing I was
worried about him saying.

00:27:12.567 --> 00:27:15.302
There's only one possible
feasible explanation for this.

00:27:15.560 --> 00:27:16.927
Attention seeking.

00:27:18.232 --> 00:27:20.770
In the end,
his main account was banned,

00:27:21.138 --> 00:27:22.638
but it was just
his main account.

00:27:22.663 --> 00:27:24.223
The group  holder account?

00:27:24.318 --> 00:27:25.825
The Sonic Eclipse Online group,

00:27:25.850 --> 00:27:29.536
which is what contains the game,
on Roblox, that was still up.

00:27:29.841 --> 00:27:32.106
So, he was still
profiting off of it.

00:27:33.068 --> 00:27:35.088
It's crazy that the
game is even up,

00:27:35.113 --> 00:27:37.403
because this is
Sega's copyright,

00:27:37.428 --> 00:27:40.830
and a predator
is using Sega's copyright

00:27:40.855 --> 00:27:43.959
and it's somehow still
on Roblox, like, what?

00:27:44.678 --> 00:27:46.678
Some other people tried to,
like, report him,

00:27:46.703 --> 00:27:48.648
but Roblox was saying
this happened off platform

00:27:48.673 --> 00:27:49.960
so it doesn't count.

00:27:50.164 --> 00:27:51.379
One of them was like,

00:27:51.404 --> 00:27:53.036
"okay, is there a way
we can get your mom

00:27:53.061 --> 00:27:55.356
to contact Roblox
instead of just you?"

00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.325
So then I had to reluctantly
explain to my mom

00:27:58.365 --> 00:27:59.887
everything that happened.

00:28:00.654 --> 00:28:03.000
We were at the house and Katie
approaches me

00:28:03.671 --> 00:28:06.265
and she's, "ah, Mom, I have
something to talk to you about."

00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.022
She had copied
the text messages

00:28:10.047 --> 00:28:12.351
and sent them to me,
the banter going back and forth,

00:28:12.376 --> 00:28:15.476
and I was like shocked when
I saw what was happening.

00:28:17.699 --> 00:28:18.779
It was sickening.

00:28:18.804 --> 00:28:21.476
The fact that somebody was
even talking to my child

00:28:21.502 --> 00:28:24.179
this way was just
making me sick.

00:28:26.260 --> 00:28:27.322
It's your little baby,

00:28:27.347 --> 00:28:29.134
it's like what
happened to your baby?

00:28:30.734 --> 00:28:31.734
You  know?

00:28:33.369 --> 00:28:34.635
You feel, you just, you know,

00:28:34.660 --> 00:28:36.406
you don't know what
to do about it.

00:28:39.275 --> 00:28:41.275
I didn't want her
to see those messages,

00:28:41.463 --> 00:28:43.556
but my friends insisted
that she had to see them.

00:28:43.581 --> 00:28:45.981
She had to be in the loop
of what was going on.

00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.619
I know she, she did feel like,
like "I wish I knew,

00:28:52.644 --> 00:28:54.444
I wish I could have
done something,"

00:28:54.469 --> 00:28:56.120
but I told her like,
"it's not your fault.

00:28:56.144 --> 00:28:58.598
Don't worry.
It's not your fault." You know?

00:29:00.101 --> 00:29:01.437
When Katie shared it with me,

00:29:01.462 --> 00:29:02.687
I just told her,
just know, you know,

00:29:02.712 --> 00:29:04.898
"we love you very much and
you can bring this up to us.

00:29:04.923 --> 00:29:06.976
We will support
you and help you."

00:29:07.909 --> 00:29:10.588
So, immediately we put
together this email

00:29:10.614 --> 00:29:12.211
with what he had done,

00:29:12.236 --> 00:29:15.338
his, his names and,
and all the other details,

00:29:15.447 --> 00:29:16.587
to Roblox.

00:29:16.612 --> 00:29:19.517
And then they got back
the same day with their,

00:29:19.830 --> 00:29:21.900
"oh, we'll look into it,
we're sorry this happened."

00:29:21.925 --> 00:29:23.697
Whatever. And then they
eventually came back.

00:29:23.722 --> 00:29:25.218
And then as soon as they heard

00:29:26.154 --> 00:29:28.424
Discord in there,
they put it off.

00:29:28.458 --> 00:29:30.817
"Oh, it's got
to be Discord's fault."

00:29:32.566 --> 00:29:35.067
Roblox claims that they're
not directly affiliated

00:29:35.092 --> 00:29:36.512
with services like Discord.

00:29:36.537 --> 00:29:39.357
However, they do provide
a way to link to Discord.

00:29:39.694 --> 00:29:41.329
For example,
Doc's Discord server

00:29:41.353 --> 00:29:43.964
that Katie joined was
directly as a result

00:29:43.989 --> 00:29:45.460
of a link through Roblox.

00:29:47.536 --> 00:29:49.005
Of course we have guidelines,

00:29:49.030 --> 00:29:51.809
of course we have our
terms and conditions,

00:29:52.083 --> 00:29:54.744
but Discord does not have

00:29:54.769 --> 00:29:57.325
as stringent safety
models as we have.

00:29:57.763 --> 00:29:59.745
So, therefore, a lot of times

00:29:59.770 --> 00:30:02.568
a lot of the smack
talking and the bad words

00:30:02.593 --> 00:30:04.223
tends to happen on Discord.

00:30:04.919 --> 00:30:06.995
And then when parents
are overhearing it,

00:30:07.034 --> 00:30:09.184
they're thinking,
thinking it's on Roblox.

00:30:09.209 --> 00:30:10.231
Then we get blamed.

00:30:13.379 --> 00:30:15.374
The passing of the buck on
responsibility

00:30:15.399 --> 00:30:17.035
is extremely frustrating,

00:30:17.060 --> 00:30:20.059
especially when it comes to
a topic that's this serious.

00:30:21.073 --> 00:30:22.337
There's not a lot of help

00:30:22.768 --> 00:30:24.695
and you feel like
your hands are tied.

00:30:26.113 --> 00:30:29.722
One of my friends contacted
Sega and told Sega,

00:30:29.925 --> 00:30:32.964
there is a guy illegally
profiting off of your IP.

00:30:34.377 --> 00:30:36.772
We see a news
notification on Twitter.

00:30:36.797 --> 00:30:41.221
Sega is taking action on
Doctor Rofatnik's game.

00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:43.197
Sega recently copyrighted

00:30:43.222 --> 00:30:46.291
and took down a Roblox game
that contained its materials.

00:30:47.487 --> 00:30:49.728
Sonic Eclipse Online
was down for good.

00:30:50.362 --> 00:30:53.931
The community was banned,
the game was taken down.

00:30:53.956 --> 00:30:55.002
My friends and I,

00:30:55.027 --> 00:30:58.447
all of us were like ecstatic
and we were so relieved.

00:30:59.166 --> 00:31:03.189
Maybe, like, is, is everything
fine now? Like, is this closure?

00:31:05.916 --> 00:31:08.964
What Doc did, is move his assets

00:31:08.989 --> 00:31:10.900
to belong to a
different account.

00:31:11.409 --> 00:31:13.689
Roblox doesn't hold any
personal information on you.

00:31:13.714 --> 00:31:15.842
So when Roblox
nuked his account,

00:31:16.296 --> 00:31:17.650
he was able to
make a new account.

00:31:17.675 --> 00:31:20.542
And then that account could
be linked to his assets again.

00:31:20.567 --> 00:31:22.702
So he didn't actually lose

00:31:22.727 --> 00:31:24.722
everything he'd created
on the platform.

00:31:25.622 --> 00:31:29.059
Eventually, somehow,
we got pressured into joining

00:31:29.084 --> 00:31:31.262
like a call to talk about it,
with Doc.

00:31:32.044 --> 00:31:34.660
And we talked it
all out directly.

00:31:36.817 --> 00:31:38.231
He apologized for everything.

00:31:38.271 --> 00:31:42.615
And he said, like, "I do truly
feel bad for, for what I did."

00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.959
And I was like, "oh my God,
is he finally changing?

00:31:44.984 --> 00:31:46.518
He's finally like maturing

00:31:46.543 --> 00:31:48.827
and grasping the
gravity of his actions?"

00:31:49.335 --> 00:31:52.788
And at the end of it,
we were like, you know what,

00:31:53.867 --> 00:31:56.349
I genuinely believed
he was my friend again,

00:31:56.373 --> 00:32:00.460
and I genuinely believed
that everything was okay now.

00:32:03.010 --> 00:32:04.454
But, you know,

00:32:04.479 --> 00:32:07.166
the friends that were actually
involved with the document

00:32:07.191 --> 00:32:10.448
were like, "wait, don't tell
me you're siding with him now,"

00:32:10.473 --> 00:32:13.504
don't tell me you're,
you're actually defending him?

00:32:13.529 --> 00:32:15.738
You don't actually believe him,
right?"

00:32:18.939 --> 00:32:20.931
Katie is a very
wonderful individual,

00:32:20.956 --> 00:32:22.908
but she
had a horrific experience.

00:32:24.080 --> 00:32:27.314
Katie was groomed by a very
powerful, dangerous individual,

00:32:27.339 --> 00:32:30.793
who pretty much has control over
an entire community on Roblox.

00:32:31.897 --> 00:32:34.475
Removing Doc is essential
to the platform.

00:32:34.500 --> 00:32:38.014
But Doc, in particular,
is a very hard case to catch,

00:32:38.124 --> 00:32:41.334
because he goes by so many
different names on the platform.

00:32:42.421 --> 00:32:46.162
He goes by Thejeterman,
he goes by Shedletsky,

00:32:46.187 --> 00:32:48.389
he goes by Doctor Rofatnik.

00:32:48.414 --> 00:32:50.796
So it's hard to really
pin down one name.

00:32:51.851 --> 00:32:53.772
I've heard a lot of
info from people,

00:32:53.797 --> 00:32:55.570
and I'm really
trying to figure out

00:32:55.595 --> 00:32:58.375
what's at the site of
the Doc case, right?

00:32:58.774 --> 00:33:02.109
He's lied so much, he goes by
all these different pseudonyms,

00:33:02.134 --> 00:33:03.134
and  it's like,

00:33:04.055 --> 00:33:05.255
who is really Doc?

00:33:05.280 --> 00:33:07.459
He seems like a serial
pedophile to me.

00:33:07.484 --> 00:33:10.748
And it seems like he's done
this to a lot of young girls.

00:33:11.616 --> 00:33:12.996
With Alex being a twin,

00:33:13.021 --> 00:33:16.997
I think she took on a caregiver
role of her sister with autism,

00:33:17.022 --> 00:33:18.794
really protecting her.

00:33:18.819 --> 00:33:21.021
I think in that,
she may have internalized

00:33:21.046 --> 00:33:23.404
some of that need
to protect people.

00:33:24.342 --> 00:33:26.264
And I think that made
her emotionally sensitive

00:33:26.289 --> 00:33:27.311
to the needs of people,

00:33:27.336 --> 00:33:28.803
but then a little bit troubled

00:33:28.827 --> 00:33:30.777
in how do I deal
with all the hurt

00:33:30.809 --> 00:33:33.087
and meanness in the
world and still be happy?

00:33:35.944 --> 00:33:37.533
Jadon Shedletsky is the head

00:33:37.558 --> 00:33:40.350
of the Sonic Eclipse
Online production team,

00:33:40.811 --> 00:33:43.287
who goes by the handle
Doctor Rofatnik

00:33:43.312 --> 00:33:47.115
on the platform and Jadon
Shedletsky in the chat room.

00:33:49.232 --> 00:33:50.802
Jadon Shedletsky.

00:33:51.393 --> 00:33:52.428
Mom?

00:33:52.453 --> 00:33:53.453
Yeah?

00:33:53.478 --> 00:33:56.408
I think this guy's name
is Jadon Shedletsky

00:33:56.542 --> 00:33:57.940
How did you find that out?

00:33:57.965 --> 00:34:01.408
Well, there's multiple articles
online but it doesn't add up.

00:34:01.651 --> 00:34:03.617
If he lied about paedophilia,

00:34:03.642 --> 00:34:05.628
why wouldn't he
lie about his name?

00:34:05.653 --> 00:34:07.525
Well, it sounds like
you've got some more clues

00:34:07.550 --> 00:34:08.877
to figure out who he is.

00:34:14.611 --> 00:34:17.917
A lot of people on Doctor
Rofatnik's Roblox game,

00:34:17.942 --> 00:34:19.228
use Discord.

00:34:20.048 --> 00:34:21.552
Doc's Discord server

00:34:21.578 --> 00:34:23.978
is so racist and homophobic

00:34:24.003 --> 00:34:26.915
and like everything
wrong with society.

00:34:30.742 --> 00:34:32.804
They said slurs left and right,

00:34:33.187 --> 00:34:35.593
like they said the N-word
all the time, you know.

00:34:36.289 --> 00:34:39.272
Just the most heinous things
you can imagine somebody saying,

00:34:39.296 --> 00:34:40.835
that was how people
communicated there.

00:34:41.836 --> 00:34:43.423
This case with Doc

00:34:43.455 --> 00:34:49.713
is an alarming reminder of what
can happen in the Metaverse.

00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.096
Being Black, there's always been
people out there

00:34:53.121 --> 00:34:54.815
that have been racist.

00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:56.783
These things are still real.

00:34:56.808 --> 00:34:58.447
Like you can't just go ahead

00:34:58.472 --> 00:35:02.722
and get into a virtual world
and escape from racism.

00:35:02.747 --> 00:35:03.909
It's just kind of weird

00:35:03.934 --> 00:35:06.130
that they still will
allow this in video games.

00:35:07.044 --> 00:35:10.622
And that's why I continue to
talk about it a lot on stream,

00:35:11.473 --> 00:35:13.965
because they need to
change these things.

00:35:15.220 --> 00:35:17.198
I want to see more Black people

00:35:17.223 --> 00:35:20.891
create generational wealth
through gaming and technology.

00:35:20.916 --> 00:35:23.204
We need to see more
of us in the room.

00:35:23.229 --> 00:35:26.267
If it's only me in the room,
I don't feel comfortable.

00:35:26.292 --> 00:35:28.580
And I want to see us all
just really progress

00:35:28.737 --> 00:35:31.213
in whatever arenas we
want to go through.

00:35:31.526 --> 00:35:34.502
There is a lack of diversity
in the industry generally,

00:35:34.527 --> 00:35:36.955
and certainly
in leadership positions.

00:35:36.980 --> 00:35:41.042
Games were originally created
by a lot of white men,

00:35:41.269 --> 00:35:43.159
and then they
created game content

00:35:43.186 --> 00:35:45.206
primarily targeted
for white men,

00:35:45.231 --> 00:35:49.098
which then led to more white men
going into the gaming industry.

00:35:49.637 --> 00:35:52.002
There's definitely people
like all of us here,

00:35:52.027 --> 00:35:55.027
that are definitely
willing to lend out,

00:35:55.052 --> 00:35:56.105
whether it be an ear,

00:35:56.130 --> 00:35:58.262
whether it be a piece of advice,
whether it be...

00:35:58.287 --> 00:36:00.771
I do have hope that
things will change.

00:36:00.797 --> 00:36:01.947
However,

00:36:01.972 --> 00:36:04.554
when it comes down to having
hope, I want to see action.

00:36:08.746 --> 00:36:10.690
Before we start this video,
trigger warning,

00:36:10.715 --> 00:36:13.050
there are sensitive
topics in this video.

00:36:13.910 --> 00:36:16.690
Doctor Rofatnik is a famous
Roblox developer,

00:36:16.715 --> 00:36:19.417
and he's known for creating the
biggest Sonic game on Roblox,

00:36:19.442 --> 00:36:20.589
Sonic Eclipse.

00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:21.851
However,

00:36:21.875 --> 00:36:25.659
Doc has recently been exposed
for allegations of paedophilia

00:36:25.769 --> 00:36:29.050
and flirting with underage
minors, claiming it's a joke.

00:36:29.644 --> 00:36:32.269
I'm very afraid to
post this video.

00:36:33.527 --> 00:36:36.136
Because when you talk about this
stuff,

00:36:36.289 --> 00:36:37.988
everyone piles on you,

00:36:38.013 --> 00:36:40.075
calls you a liar,
a fake, a cheat.

00:36:41.755 --> 00:36:44.286
When I'm lying in my bed at the
end of the night,

00:36:44.893 --> 00:36:46.833
I feel upset, I feel angry,

00:36:46.858 --> 00:36:49.942
I feel scared that something
bad is going to happen to me.

00:36:50.685 --> 00:36:53.481
I'm scared I'm going to be
attacked for what I do.

00:36:55.044 --> 00:36:57.567
At 5:36, right now,
police and federal authorities

00:36:57.591 --> 00:36:59.676
are searching for
a missing teen.

00:37:01.122 --> 00:37:04.903
Detectives believe she is
with an adult she met online

00:37:04.928 --> 00:37:06.928
who picked her up
from out of state.

00:37:07.684 --> 00:37:10.993
Someone from Roblox
kidnapped a child.

00:37:14.556 --> 00:37:16.156
My name's Len Rothermich.

00:37:16.182 --> 00:37:17.202
I'm a special agent

00:37:17.227 --> 00:37:19.916
out of the Indianapolis
field office of the FBI.

00:37:22.877 --> 00:37:25.650
When I begin my participation
in the investigation,

00:37:26.033 --> 00:37:30.946
I did not expect for there
to be such a back story

00:37:30.971 --> 00:37:33.791
between the two individuals
that led up to, ultimately,

00:37:33.816 --> 00:37:35.105
her disappearance.

00:37:41.873 --> 00:37:45.131
The police were
alerted by parents,

00:37:45.156 --> 00:37:46.836
that there was a missing child.

00:37:48.833 --> 00:37:51.310
Whenever you have
a child in peril,

00:37:51.335 --> 00:37:53.828
obviously there's all sorts
of worst case scenarios

00:37:53.853 --> 00:37:55.186
that might happen.

00:37:56.335 --> 00:37:59.405
The victim was close friends
with a classmate at her school.

00:37:59.430 --> 00:38:01.715
That friend ultimately
told law enforcement

00:38:01.740 --> 00:38:05.285
that the victim had what
this friend believed

00:38:05.310 --> 00:38:08.404
to be a romantic relationship
with an adult, online.

00:38:09.857 --> 00:38:11.993
The family reported
to the detectives

00:38:12.017 --> 00:38:14.899
that their child
had been in contact

00:38:14.924 --> 00:38:17.106
with what they believed
to be an adult male,

00:38:17.131 --> 00:38:18.593
who went by Jacob,

00:38:18.618 --> 00:38:21.372
but was also known more
popularly online as Doc.

00:38:22.808 --> 00:38:24.652
It was through the
Roblox application

00:38:24.686 --> 00:38:28.286
that the victim and Doc
developed a relationship.

00:38:29.412 --> 00:38:31.812
Through her communication
with the perpetrator,

00:38:31.837 --> 00:38:34.129
they played the
same games together,

00:38:34.153 --> 00:38:35.852
and they could create avatars.

00:38:36.048 --> 00:38:39.102
And the avatars physically
matched how they looked.

00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:42.407
They would be wearing
matching clothes,

00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:45.399
t-shirts of "I'm with
her" and "I'm with him".

00:38:47.235 --> 00:38:49.463
Several months before
her disappearance,

00:38:49.488 --> 00:38:53.883
Doc sent the victim a high
end laptop through Amazon.

00:38:55.649 --> 00:38:57.830
The point isn't to
just give the child

00:38:57.855 --> 00:38:59.727
a gift out of the
goodness of their hearts.

00:38:59.752 --> 00:39:03.275
The entire point is to try to
create this sense of trust.

00:39:07.282 --> 00:39:09.142
The main feeling I felt
when I heard the news

00:39:09.167 --> 00:39:11.915
that Doc had kidnapped someone,
was just disbelief.

00:39:12.735 --> 00:39:13.912
You know, you feel crazy

00:39:13.937 --> 00:39:15.181
reporting on a story like this,
right?

00:39:15.206 --> 00:39:16.347
Because it's a bunch
of young people saying,

00:39:16.372 --> 00:39:17.300
this person's dangerous.

00:39:17.325 --> 00:39:18.880
And you look at the
chat logs and you go,

00:39:18.905 --> 00:39:20.267
"yeah, they seem dangerous."

00:39:20.380 --> 00:39:23.645
But the way you feel when that
person actually then acts,

00:39:23.670 --> 00:39:25.395
it just drives it all home,
doesn't it?

00:39:28.678 --> 00:39:31.602
I was standing in the kitchen
and then Katie came walking in

00:39:31.627 --> 00:39:34.357
and she was all pacing
around and anxiety ridden.

00:39:34.382 --> 00:39:36.475
And she says,
you know that guy, Doc?

00:39:36.686 --> 00:39:38.378
I just found out
that he kidnapped

00:39:38.402 --> 00:39:40.788
a 15 year old girl
up in Indiana.

00:39:42.262 --> 00:39:43.497
I'm like, "whoa!"

00:39:44.130 --> 00:39:46.560
I felt such an obscene
amount of guilt.

00:39:47.177 --> 00:39:49.981
And I was,
I was just really upset to know

00:39:50.006 --> 00:39:52.060
that I couldn't do anything
to help this person

00:39:52.085 --> 00:39:53.803
or prevent this from happening.

00:39:54.426 --> 00:39:56.552
It just scares me, knowing
that...

00:39:56.865 --> 00:39:58.115
that could have been me,

00:39:58.140 --> 00:40:01.202
that could have been so
many other people, actually,

00:40:01.227 --> 00:40:03.742
like so many other people could
have fallen victim to him.

00:40:04.422 --> 00:40:07.953
The fact that a child was
actually kidnapped in real life,

00:40:08.399 --> 00:40:10.672
makes it so much more scary.

00:40:11.454 --> 00:40:13.210
This was my reality check.

00:40:13.235 --> 00:40:14.451
This was my moment to say

00:40:14.475 --> 00:40:17.648
"I need to act on this
because this is real."

00:40:19.164 --> 00:40:21.172
We do need to take action now.

00:40:21.198 --> 00:40:23.919
We need to take action
in so many ways,

00:40:23.944 --> 00:40:27.595
because if we don't act now,
it's only going to get worse.

00:40:38.802 --> 00:40:40.817
-Hello?
-Hey, Katie. What's up?

00:40:41.209 --> 00:40:42.810
Hi. How are you?

00:40:42.997 --> 00:40:44.935
We made a plan to
meet up in California,

00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:45.989
where Katie lives,

00:40:46.014 --> 00:40:47.874
because we all wanted
to meet together

00:40:47.898 --> 00:40:49.758
to really create a
collective on this.

00:40:50.201 --> 00:40:52.200
-I like your hair.
-Thank you. Just got it done.

00:40:52.240 --> 00:40:53.725
Looks really cool. Nice.

00:40:55.364 --> 00:40:58.284
What we set out to do, was to
really have that organic space

00:40:58.308 --> 00:41:00.785
where we can just
talk about the issues

00:41:00.810 --> 00:41:03.356
and solutions that we can
really do to solve it.

00:41:03.381 --> 00:41:05.061
So how was your trip over here?

00:41:05.086 --> 00:41:07.661
Oh, wow, it was something.
Well, I mean...

00:41:07.686 --> 00:41:08.708
It was something.

00:41:08.733 --> 00:41:12.233
We need to get everyone who
works on this type of stuff

00:41:12.314 --> 00:41:13.397
and be like,
"hey,

00:41:13.655 --> 00:41:14.883
this is what's at stake,

00:41:14.908 --> 00:41:17.334
this is what we need to bring
directly to the companies."

00:41:20.272 --> 00:41:21.615
-Hello.
-Hi! Hello!

00:41:21.640 --> 00:41:22.811
-Hello.
-Welcome in!

00:41:22.836 --> 00:41:24.836
-I'm Janae.
-I'm Marion, Katie's mom.

00:41:25.366 --> 00:41:27.732
Nice to meet you.
-Nice to meet you as well.

00:41:27.765 --> 00:41:31.882
Hey, Alex! Hey!

00:41:31.907 --> 00:41:37.157
Whenever we do a lot of our
sidebar individual movements,

00:41:37.182 --> 00:41:39.557
it doesn't go anywhere,
because why?

00:41:40.214 --> 00:41:42.315
They're not up against
a united front.

00:41:44.136 --> 00:41:46.424
Doctor Rofatnik is still active

00:41:46.449 --> 00:41:48.521
and he still has an
account on Roblox.

00:41:50.128 --> 00:41:53.448
To make real change, we need to
go directly to the companies.

00:41:53.823 --> 00:41:57.151
Getting a company response is
number one priority.

00:41:57.245 --> 00:41:59.877
The number one question
I would ask Roblox is,

00:41:59.902 --> 00:42:02.606
what are you doing
to protect children?

00:42:03.167 --> 00:42:05.806
I think it's really
important for young people

00:42:05.831 --> 00:42:09.112
to be having these conversations
with people in authority,

00:42:09.557 --> 00:42:12.388
but it's very difficult when
young people have concerns

00:42:12.413 --> 00:42:14.041
that they want to raise
to these platforms,

00:42:14.066 --> 00:42:15.565
and there's no real clear avenue

00:42:15.590 --> 00:42:17.737
for that communication
to happen.

00:42:20.511 --> 00:42:23.557
wikiHow says how
to contact Roblox.

00:42:23.816 --> 00:42:25.878
You can call their
customer support line

00:42:25.903 --> 00:42:28.745
and leave a voicemail
to receive a call back.

00:42:29.448 --> 00:42:32.570
Fill out their online support
form for general issues,

00:42:32.596 --> 00:42:34.448
or email their customer support
directly

00:42:34.473 --> 00:42:36.385
to ask specific questions.

00:42:36.651 --> 00:42:39.674
-So, let's call that number.
-And then leave a voicemail.

00:42:39.699 --> 00:42:40.769
Yes.

00:42:44.051 --> 00:42:47.285
Thank you for calling Roblox,
the imagination platform.

00:42:47.310 --> 00:42:49.083
For the most expedient service,

00:42:49.108 --> 00:42:51.492
please contact us via
our support form at

00:42:51.525 --> 00:42:54.755
roblox.com/support.

00:42:55.134 --> 00:42:57.602
I think the problem
about Roblox,

00:42:57.627 --> 00:42:59.307
is every time we report it,

00:42:59.650 --> 00:43:03.704
we'll get responded with
a bot or an automated message,

00:43:03.729 --> 00:43:05.931
which makes us feel
really powerless.

00:43:05.956 --> 00:43:08.736
Press one for information
on cancelling a membership.

00:43:08.761 --> 00:43:11.705
Why would I, as a whole
entire big tech company,

00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:14.475
really feel like
addressing something

00:43:14.499 --> 00:43:16.557
that's going to hinder my money?

00:43:16.862 --> 00:43:18.416
I would rather just say,

00:43:18.441 --> 00:43:22.885
"hey, I am so happy that you
have given us your feedback,

00:43:23.018 --> 00:43:26.209
we will contact you within
five to seven business days.

00:43:26.234 --> 00:43:27.416
Happy gaming."

00:43:27.807 --> 00:43:30.588
How do they really
expect for players,

00:43:30.612 --> 00:43:32.151
if they actually have a problem,

00:43:32.176 --> 00:43:34.566
to get the problem resolved,
if they won't even--

00:43:34.591 --> 00:43:36.230
Answer their own phone?

00:43:36.255 --> 00:43:38.384
The biggest games
within the world,

00:43:38.409 --> 00:43:40.231
when it comes down to children,

00:43:40.256 --> 00:43:42.887
you can't even get in
contact with easily.

00:43:43.075 --> 00:43:46.075
Billions of dollars a year,
yet no proper support line.

00:43:46.100 --> 00:43:47.176
Yeah.

00:43:50.161 --> 00:43:52.989
Although we have been
trying to get in contact

00:43:53.014 --> 00:43:55.437
with the companies, even
sometimes getting in contact

00:43:55.461 --> 00:43:56.903
with the companies directly,

00:43:57.061 --> 00:43:59.959
we've been putting in reports,
putting things on YouTube,

00:43:59.984 --> 00:44:01.532
all the social media,

00:44:01.557 --> 00:44:03.866
all of this stuff
has kind of not led

00:44:03.891 --> 00:44:06.358
to too many actions being done.

00:44:07.468 --> 00:44:09.335
What I would say it is
on the companies to do,

00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.250
when it comes to selling
stuff to their users,

00:44:12.662 --> 00:44:14.281
make a product
that is transparent

00:44:14.306 --> 00:44:17.579
and fair, and not at all
manipulative or compulsive.

00:44:18.049 --> 00:44:20.572
What do I think they will do?
Nothing.

00:44:20.597 --> 00:44:22.338
They're not going
to do anything.

00:44:22.363 --> 00:44:23.901
If they're a publicly
traded company,

00:44:23.933 --> 00:44:26.643
they have a legal obligation to
make as much money as possible.

00:44:26.668 --> 00:44:28.706
The only reason you
would behave yourself,

00:44:28.731 --> 00:44:30.113
from like a legal standpoint

00:44:30.137 --> 00:44:32.090
of trying to make sure you
users don't come to harm,

00:44:32.115 --> 00:44:35.106
is if you face the
threat of legal action.

00:44:35.293 --> 00:44:38.488
And that's not something we're
seeing in our society right now.

00:44:54.701 --> 00:44:55.701
Hi. Hello.

00:44:58.084 --> 00:44:59.084
Hi.

00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.280
Hello.

00:45:06.586 --> 00:45:08.134
I feel like these
would suit you.

00:45:08.674 --> 00:45:11.407
Like, that one,
with like the frame on it?

00:45:11.798 --> 00:45:13.305
On like the beach?

00:45:13.517 --> 00:45:15.595
Yes. Slay.

00:45:16.524 --> 00:45:17.547
Slay.

00:45:17.571 --> 00:45:19.532
Check these out.
These are like mushrooms.

00:45:20.197 --> 00:45:21.852
I feel like that
would fit on you.

00:45:21.877 --> 00:45:23.790
Isn't your hat a
mushroom on Roblox?

00:45:24.532 --> 00:45:25.515
-Who?
-You?

00:45:25.540 --> 00:45:26.579
-Me?
-Yeah, Katie.

00:45:26.604 --> 00:45:27.604
My hat?

00:45:27.629 --> 00:45:29.309
I'm pretty sure it's a mushroom.

00:45:29.334 --> 00:45:31.127
No. My hat...

00:45:32.237 --> 00:45:33.495
No, I wear like a black,

00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:36.284
either a black hat or like
headphones, or like a bow.

00:45:36.309 --> 00:45:38.432
-Oh, blind, I'm so blind.
-It's OK.

00:45:38.456 --> 00:45:39.567
It looked like a mushroom,

00:45:39.592 --> 00:45:41.587
I'm like,
"yeah, it has to be a mushroom."

00:45:42.083 --> 00:45:44.879
How much are these?
These are pretty. One dollar?

00:45:46.497 --> 00:45:51.434
When I posted the first video on
YouTube about Doctor Rofatnik,

00:45:51.911 --> 00:45:53.926
all these people
in the comments, they're like,

00:45:54.168 --> 00:45:57.879
"you're  slandering someone."
And then I got doxxed.

00:46:00.052 --> 00:46:03.023
Doxxing is essentially when you
threaten someone's real life,

00:46:04.062 --> 00:46:06.640
you threaten their real info,
you put it out there.

00:46:07.140 --> 00:46:08.924
And it's very dangerous

00:46:08.949 --> 00:46:11.858
because people can find
your address and stalk you.

00:46:13.281 --> 00:46:15.093
When Alex started
getting doxxed,

00:46:15.118 --> 00:46:16.640
she was more depressed.

00:46:16.665 --> 00:46:17.913
She was more emotional.

00:46:17.938 --> 00:46:19.773
It just affected
her daily life,

00:46:19.798 --> 00:46:22.351
in terms of her
will to get up,

00:46:22.376 --> 00:46:23.578
to keep going,

00:46:23.603 --> 00:46:28.665
to accept the fallout of
kind of standing up for people

00:46:29.486 --> 00:46:32.634
and trying to use her
platform for the greater good.

00:46:35.180 --> 00:46:37.046
And as a parent,
you feel helpless

00:46:37.071 --> 00:46:39.471
because you don't
know how long it's going to be.

00:46:39.496 --> 00:46:41.073
It may go on for a day,

00:46:41.098 --> 00:46:42.778
it may go on for three months.

00:46:43.450 --> 00:46:45.430
I think I was surprised
about how severe

00:46:45.455 --> 00:46:48.340
and impactful it was
on her daily life.

00:46:48.606 --> 00:46:51.309
Roblox has been such
a whirlwind for me,

00:46:51.334 --> 00:46:52.677
in the sense that it's like

00:46:52.802 --> 00:46:54.747
contributed to my
mental health issues,

00:46:54.772 --> 00:46:56.420
like, it really has.

00:46:56.634 --> 00:46:59.428
I tried to end my life
multiple times over Roblox.

00:46:59.453 --> 00:47:00.781
Really?
-Yeah.

00:47:02.498 --> 00:47:04.100
The hate got really bad.

00:47:04.125 --> 00:47:05.531
It's not your fault.

00:47:05.556 --> 00:47:07.908
it's just how, it's not you,

00:47:07.933 --> 00:47:10.563
it's just how those people,
specifically, are.

00:47:10.588 --> 00:47:12.610
It's just like should,
is it isn't even worth it

00:47:12.635 --> 00:47:13.979
to try to make friends
on this platform?

00:47:14.004 --> 00:47:15.916
Is it even worth it on
the social Metaverse,

00:47:15.941 --> 00:47:19.213
when it's like so many
people are just awful?

00:47:19.862 --> 00:47:20.862
Yeah.

00:47:20.887 --> 00:47:23.167
Sorry, this is kind of
difficult to talk about.

00:47:23.192 --> 00:47:24.980
I know, I understand.
It's okay.

00:47:28.012 --> 00:47:29.801
It really sucks when,

00:47:30.137 --> 00:47:32.229
when you do decide to go ahead

00:47:32.254 --> 00:47:35.437
and tell people and it's
about a content creator

00:47:35.462 --> 00:47:37.129
that everybody else likes.

00:47:37.328 --> 00:47:38.228
-Yeah.
-Yeah.

00:47:38.253 --> 00:47:39.508
And then you think,

00:47:39.533 --> 00:47:41.219
and then they think you're
trying to cancel them.

00:47:41.244 --> 00:47:42.485
Those people don't,

00:47:42.510 --> 00:47:44.728
they don't understand what
it's like to be playing a game

00:47:44.753 --> 00:47:47.415
and get harassed in your game
every single time you play,

00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.729
or what it's like for
somebody to use a game

00:47:49.754 --> 00:47:52.010
to try to lure you
and try to harm you.

00:47:52.035 --> 00:47:53.385
-Yeah.
-You know?

00:47:54.018 --> 00:47:57.845
Why is this a normal thing and
why do we keep on allowing it?

00:47:57.870 --> 00:47:59.941
There needs to be more talks

00:47:59.966 --> 00:48:03.004
on what are we going to allow

00:48:03.028 --> 00:48:05.831
and what are we not going to
allow in the virtual space?

00:48:06.223 --> 00:48:08.328
And if somebody
does violate that,

00:48:08.353 --> 00:48:10.340
what consequence
is it going to be?

00:48:16.347 --> 00:48:19.394
The psychological impact, when
it comes to the Metaverse,

00:48:19.419 --> 00:48:24.098
is way more profound than
it is actually understood.

00:48:28.593 --> 00:48:32.311
it is the media that
provides you immersion,

00:48:32.336 --> 00:48:34.804
as if I'm right there with you.
It feels almost like reality.

00:48:34.829 --> 00:48:36.735
It feels almost like reality.

00:48:36.961 --> 00:48:39.061
And it's going to
feel more and more so.

00:48:40.758 --> 00:48:44.641
The danger is alt right
or extremist groups

00:48:44.666 --> 00:48:48.846
could really create some
very real life like spaces,

00:48:49.331 --> 00:48:53.525
and that could tap into the
anger a teenager might have,

00:48:53.550 --> 00:48:56.783
and that could lead to then
do something malicious.

00:48:56.909 --> 00:48:59.322
And that breaking news
is in Western New York,

00:48:59.347 --> 00:49:01.310
where at least ten people

00:49:01.335 --> 00:49:04.557
have been killed at a
grocery store in Buffalo.

00:49:04.894 --> 00:49:06.925
He shot a woman,
he shot a deacon,

00:49:06.950 --> 00:49:08.429
he shot another woman,

00:49:08.454 --> 00:49:11.871
and then he went in the store
and started shooting again.

00:49:13.192 --> 00:49:15.691
To be able to take
all those lives at 18?

00:49:16.340 --> 00:49:18.020
With so much hate in his heart,

00:49:18.045 --> 00:49:19.303
with so much hate in his heart.

00:49:19.328 --> 00:49:22.383
Like, how do you hate
people that much to do that?

00:49:23.789 --> 00:49:25.219
Investigators
believe the suspect

00:49:25.244 --> 00:49:28.711
may have consumed white
supremacist ideology online,

00:49:28.736 --> 00:49:31.763
even posting an
180-page document

00:49:31.789 --> 00:49:34.078
laying out his plan
for the rampage.

00:49:34.391 --> 00:49:35.687
The Buffalo shooter said

00:49:35.712 --> 00:49:38.125
if it wasn't for the game
Blood and Iron on Roblox,

00:49:38.150 --> 00:49:40.751
he probably wouldn't
have been radicalized.

00:49:40.776 --> 00:49:42.678
And I think that really
speaks to the power

00:49:42.703 --> 00:49:46.041
of this medium to
reinforce ideas.

00:49:47.338 --> 00:49:49.041
It's concerning that these
ideologies

00:49:49.066 --> 00:49:51.338
have become normalized,

00:49:51.363 --> 00:49:54.832
because we're spending so
much time in these spaces,

00:49:54.857 --> 00:49:57.988
and it's shaping
the way we see the world.

00:49:58.013 --> 00:50:02.068
We know from research that we
are influenced by our peers,

00:50:02.177 --> 00:50:04.372
and if our peers
are telling us,

00:50:04.397 --> 00:50:06.350
"hey, I have this certain
world view and this is right,"

00:50:06.375 --> 00:50:08.758
and it's an extremist
point of view,

00:50:08.784 --> 00:50:10.382
we will start to adopt that.

00:50:11.430 --> 00:50:13.836
Yo, bro,
what the hell is this, man?

00:50:13.861 --> 00:50:15.768
We have to be respectful,

00:50:15.793 --> 00:50:17.845
we're in the Ku Klux Klan
headquarters.

00:50:18.791 --> 00:50:21.580
The mere fact that a lot
of people are able to use

00:50:21.605 --> 00:50:24.118
the platforms to do
these things, is scary.

00:50:24.143 --> 00:50:26.846
We hear people saying
something that's inappropriate

00:50:26.871 --> 00:50:28.842
or something that's very,
very hateful,

00:50:28.867 --> 00:50:32.691
and don't act on it unless
they decide to take action

00:50:32.715 --> 00:50:34.319
and harm someone.

00:50:36.381 --> 00:50:39.210
I started seeing that
maybe there was a need

00:50:39.235 --> 00:50:41.789
to actually connect
with Black people

00:50:41.814 --> 00:50:44.439
who are trying to
fix these problems.

00:50:45.961 --> 00:50:48.495
Agents for Advocacy was
started by Mark Talley

00:50:48.520 --> 00:50:49.892
after his mother, Geraldine,

00:50:49.924 --> 00:50:52.930
was killed in the Topps
mass shooting on 5/14.

00:50:52.955 --> 00:50:55.253
I want to definitely
collab with a lot of people

00:50:55.277 --> 00:50:57.985
so I can do the stuff that
I'm trying to get accomplished

00:50:58.010 --> 00:50:59.181
here in this city.

00:51:01.677 --> 00:51:03.403
Hey, Mark, how are you?

00:51:03.950 --> 00:51:05.527
I do want to say, you know,

00:51:05.729 --> 00:51:09.035
extreme, like, sorry about
everything, what happened.

00:51:09.060 --> 00:51:10.668
Thank you for the condolences

00:51:10.693 --> 00:51:12.856
How have things
changed for you?

00:51:13.193 --> 00:51:15.099
I had to focus all my passion,

00:51:15.444 --> 00:51:18.958
rage and hatred into what
happened, to my organization.

00:51:19.091 --> 00:51:23.310
Take me with you on,
on the situation from your end.

00:51:23.335 --> 00:51:25.327
You know, the police called me,

00:51:25.616 --> 00:51:27.463
told me my mother was,

00:51:27.488 --> 00:51:30.210
you know, one of the,
one of the ten victims.

00:51:30.796 --> 00:51:33.460
I feel so bad about it.

00:51:36.040 --> 00:51:37.266
Sorry.

00:51:38.014 --> 00:51:41.118
Can we cut real quick?
I'm sorry.

00:51:48.035 --> 00:51:50.387
-Take your time, Mark.
-Take your time, brother.

00:51:51.075 --> 00:51:54.715
The last time I spoke with
my mother was on Mother's Day.

00:51:56.387 --> 00:51:58.952
I never would have thought
that it'd be the last time

00:51:58.977 --> 00:52:01.325
I would speak to her
or hear her voice.

00:52:02.770 --> 00:52:05.231
My mom was
Geraldine Chapman Talley.

00:52:06.028 --> 00:52:07.588
We had a fun relationship.

00:52:08.075 --> 00:52:09.529
She was extroverted,

00:52:10.303 --> 00:52:12.504
constantly treated
me like I was a baby.

00:52:14.364 --> 00:52:16.817
I really didn't have that
many videos of her, so,

00:52:16.842 --> 00:52:20.747
trying to remember how she talk,
you know, just her smell.

00:52:21.755 --> 00:52:23.106
He claimed that, like,

00:52:23.131 --> 00:52:25.500
some part of his motivation

00:52:25.525 --> 00:52:28.255
was because he was playing
certain types of video games?

00:52:28.576 --> 00:52:30.256
How do you feel about that?

00:52:30.506 --> 00:52:32.419
I don't think automatically,

00:52:32.444 --> 00:52:34.154
you playing Grand Theft Auto or
Roblox

00:52:34.179 --> 00:52:35.771
makes you want to kill people.

00:52:35.796 --> 00:52:38.145
But I definitely
have spent my fair,

00:52:38.201 --> 00:52:40.285
fair amount of time
in the Metaverse.

00:52:40.747 --> 00:52:43.778
Unfortunately, if you meet the
wrong person who's good at,

00:52:43.958 --> 00:52:46.097
you know,
charismatic, manipulative,

00:52:46.450 --> 00:52:49.380
it can definitely put
an idea into your mind.

00:52:49.419 --> 00:52:51.372
You know, you can go down these

00:52:51.740 --> 00:52:55.169
deep, deep, deep paths
and find these groups.

00:52:55.849 --> 00:52:59.325
The video game makers,
like they should lead a charge.

00:53:09.070 --> 00:53:11.101
It's very difficult hearing

00:53:12.379 --> 00:53:15.577
Mark talk about his mom
and how he lost his mom.

00:53:17.610 --> 00:53:20.813
Being, being somebody
who's Black is just...

00:53:21.048 --> 00:53:22.766
it's really difficult

00:53:23.183 --> 00:53:26.087
to see when people that
look like you are the target

00:53:26.112 --> 00:53:27.940
of somebody's hate directly.

00:53:28.700 --> 00:53:30.536
I always have to  ask myself,

00:53:30.561 --> 00:53:32.302
is it going to be me?

00:53:32.896 --> 00:53:34.833
Is it going to be
somebody that I know?

00:53:34.865 --> 00:53:36.316
Is it going to be
a family member?

00:53:36.341 --> 00:53:38.620
Is there going to
be to a situation

00:53:38.645 --> 00:53:43.794
where I need to be scared every
day in my life or, you know...

00:53:44.051 --> 00:53:45.371
It's not fair,

00:53:45.518 --> 00:53:48.387
seeing people I care about
go through this pain.

00:53:48.412 --> 00:53:51.787
I want everyone to start taking
and assuming responsibility,

00:53:52.311 --> 00:53:55.529
because it's the responsibility
of the platforms,

00:53:55.772 --> 00:53:59.960
the law makers and
the people who play the games.

00:54:00.232 --> 00:54:02.821
I just want to make sure
that kids that look like me

00:54:02.846 --> 00:54:04.313
can be safe on the internet,

00:54:04.338 --> 00:54:07.424
can be safe while playing the
game, could have a fun time.

00:54:07.449 --> 00:54:09.605
Everybody thinks that
this is just the internet.

00:54:09.630 --> 00:54:11.310
That this is just video games.

00:54:11.615 --> 00:54:14.028
Well, we have to take
this home with us.

00:54:14.365 --> 00:54:15.810
We have to, like,

00:54:15.835 --> 00:54:19.091
know that there are
kids who are still,

00:54:19.364 --> 00:54:22.007
right now,
still being groomed online.

00:54:22.032 --> 00:54:25.863
It's just been a heavy time,
actually.

00:54:27.710 --> 00:54:31.945
That's just how I'm feeling,
is it's just a heavy time.

00:54:39.585 --> 00:54:42.577
Investigators are working
to help bring (bleep) home

00:54:42.602 --> 00:54:44.139
to her family.

00:54:44.296 --> 00:54:46.124
She may be with a
man she met online,

00:54:46.149 --> 00:54:48.686
who travelled from out
of state to pick her up.

00:54:49.413 --> 00:54:54.123
Once we had identified
the perpetrator as Doc,

00:54:54.148 --> 00:54:57.241
local law enforcement identified
a phone number for him.

00:55:00.686 --> 00:55:01.975
During their interview,

00:55:02.008 --> 00:55:04.514
Doc identified himself
as Jadon Shedletsky.

00:55:05.202 --> 00:55:08.424
He presented himself as a very
successful software engineer

00:55:08.449 --> 00:55:11.061
and developer for
the Roblox platform.

00:55:12.827 --> 00:55:15.234
He was evasive at times
on the phone call.

00:55:15.867 --> 00:55:17.031
He paused, it almost sounded

00:55:17.056 --> 00:55:19.038
like he had put the phone
on mute several times,

00:55:19.063 --> 00:55:21.428
and then would come back several
seconds later

00:55:21.453 --> 00:55:22.695
to answer the questions.

00:55:22.804 --> 00:55:24.364
We had a lot of concerns

00:55:24.390 --> 00:55:26.522
as far as what he
probably actually knew

00:55:26.547 --> 00:55:28.421
versus what he was
stating on the phone.

00:55:30.689 --> 00:55:32.801
We submitted a
plethora of warrants

00:55:32.826 --> 00:55:36.188
to identify him
and his activities online.

00:55:36.993 --> 00:55:39.563
One of those warrants
was directed to Roblox.

00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:42.305
Several months before
the victim's disappearance,

00:55:42.330 --> 00:55:44.005
Doc purchased three
different items

00:55:44.029 --> 00:55:46.549
through Amazon that would be
sent to the victim's home.

00:55:46.574 --> 00:55:48.996
The account had his
actual billing address

00:55:49.021 --> 00:55:50.784
as the return address on there.

00:55:51.097 --> 00:55:52.569
Agents and task force officers

00:55:52.593 --> 00:55:54.331
immediately responded
to the address

00:55:54.355 --> 00:55:56.480
that we gave them in New Jersey.

00:56:00.252 --> 00:56:02.248
They immediately observed Doc

00:56:02.273 --> 00:56:05.931
and the victim walking
together towards the house.

00:56:06.953 --> 00:56:10.045
Agents and officers immediately
exited from their vehicles,

00:56:10.070 --> 00:56:12.686
surrounded them,
and detained the male.

00:56:14.406 --> 00:56:18.069
He identified himself by
his true name, Arnold Castillo.

00:56:24.749 --> 00:56:26.819
A New Jersey man facing
federal charges tonight,

00:56:26.844 --> 00:56:29.137
accused of luring
a 15 year old girl

00:56:29.162 --> 00:56:31.897
from central Indiana
to his home for sex.

00:56:32.163 --> 00:56:33.467
And investigators
believe he paid

00:56:33.492 --> 00:56:36.256
an Uber driver to get
her to New Jersey.

00:56:37.069 --> 00:56:41.607
In this case, the defendant
used Uber to find a driver

00:56:41.632 --> 00:56:44.187
and then connected with
that driver offline

00:56:44.212 --> 00:56:46.690
and paid the driver $500

00:56:46.715 --> 00:56:50.423
to go across the country
to pick up this child

00:56:50.448 --> 00:56:52.007
and then bring, you know,

00:56:52.032 --> 00:56:55.033
the victim back to
him in New Jersey.

00:56:55.580 --> 00:56:58.119
He was ultimately charged
for the transporting

00:56:58.144 --> 00:57:01.713
of a minor for the purposes
of having sexual activity.

00:57:01.738 --> 00:57:05.199
And he was also charged for the
solicitation

00:57:05.224 --> 00:57:06.776
and enticement of a minor.

00:57:07.316 --> 00:57:09.795
It was so bewildering to me

00:57:09.819 --> 00:57:11.927
that somebody would
be so confident

00:57:11.952 --> 00:57:14.839
in trying to prove
to everybody that

00:57:14.865 --> 00:57:17.163
he's sorry and he's
trying to change,

00:57:17.338 --> 00:57:18.752
just for him to do the one thing

00:57:18.777 --> 00:57:21.627
that he claimed he
would never do, ever.

00:57:23.251 --> 00:57:25.481
Everything that everyone
was saying was right.

00:57:25.506 --> 00:57:28.736
He was just lying
the whole time.

00:57:30.502 --> 00:57:32.674
A teenager who disappeared
for about a week

00:57:32.698 --> 00:57:35.517
has been found more than
600 miles from home.

00:57:35.643 --> 00:57:37.283
Officials say she'll
be reconnected

00:57:37.308 --> 00:57:39.150
with her family in
the next day or two.

00:57:39.900 --> 00:57:43.095
Knowing that it could have
been prevented, it is sad.

00:57:43.120 --> 00:57:45.986
It is really sad.
I feel bad for the parents.

00:57:46.011 --> 00:57:48.252
I feel bad for the little girl
because now she's going to have

00:57:48.277 --> 00:57:51.017
this horrible incident in her,
in her head.

00:57:52.518 --> 00:57:55.720
Doctor Rofatnik is a huge
wake up call to Roblox.

00:57:56.252 --> 00:57:59.147
It is so horrible that
this has happened,

00:57:59.172 --> 00:58:00.885
and I really hope Roblox

00:58:00.910 --> 00:58:03.520
will start to take
cases more seriously,

00:58:03.545 --> 00:58:05.211
because this is how
they will end up.

00:58:06.375 --> 00:58:08.699
If kids are beginning to get the
impression,

00:58:08.724 --> 00:58:10.672
as they use these platforms,

00:58:10.697 --> 00:58:13.204
that no one's
looking out for them,

00:58:13.642 --> 00:58:16.696
I would say, yeah,
that sounds roughly correct.

00:58:16.912 --> 00:58:18.802
The tech companies do not care.

00:58:26.722 --> 00:58:28.175
Yum yum.

00:58:28.689 --> 00:58:30.050
There's some snack.

00:58:34.837 --> 00:58:37.189
I'll never view sex
the same way. I know that.

00:58:37.353 --> 00:58:39.532
I'll always feel a little
uncomfortable with it.

00:58:39.892 --> 00:58:44.540
I've such weird experiences
and weird thoughts relate,

00:58:44.565 --> 00:58:46.955
like relating to it that I just,
it's not the same to me,

00:58:46.980 --> 00:58:48.143
you know?

00:58:50.471 --> 00:58:53.596
That stuff just happened
way too early on in my life.

00:58:53.621 --> 00:58:56.949
And now, when I began
to mature and grow more,

00:58:56.975 --> 00:58:58.272
I just noticed how,

00:58:58.297 --> 00:59:00.632
I started to begin to
notice how uncomfortable

00:59:00.657 --> 00:59:02.781
stuff like that made me,
you know.

00:59:03.594 --> 00:59:06.077
That impact is always
going to be there,

00:59:06.101 --> 00:59:08.266
not even just because
of the fact that

00:59:08.291 --> 00:59:10.586
it was exploited by
someone older than me,

00:59:10.612 --> 00:59:13.861
but just the fact
that it was public.

00:59:16.910 --> 00:59:19.230
That is not good.

00:59:27.100 --> 00:59:30.475
There are no magical walls
that keep what happened in,

00:59:30.500 --> 00:59:32.891
in these gaming spaces or in
any space on the internet,

00:59:32.916 --> 00:59:34.781
only within the internet.

00:59:38.006 --> 00:59:40.125
Some of these things
are really traumatic

00:59:40.150 --> 00:59:42.006
and it seeps out into
our everyday lives.

00:59:42.616 --> 00:59:47.100
Janae? So you're a pan
Germanic ultranationalist.

00:59:47.437 --> 00:59:48.980
When it comes to the Metaverse,

00:59:49.004 --> 00:59:52.717
experiencing really gross
content over and over and over,

00:59:53.069 --> 00:59:57.313
the brain actually absorbs
this information way deeper.

00:59:57.338 --> 00:59:59.628
So, that's, that's the danger,

00:59:59.653 --> 01:00:02.935
is the nature of what
you're experiencing

01:00:02.959 --> 01:00:06.388
could really change
you as a human being.

01:00:12.091 --> 01:00:15.059
I got a notification
from news that says

01:00:15.755 --> 01:00:18.762
"Roblox faces class
action lawsuit

01:00:18.817 --> 01:00:21.645
from parents about sexual
content and grooming."

01:00:22.309 --> 01:00:24.418
I want to know more about this,
so,

01:00:24.443 --> 01:00:26.317
how do you feel about getting
in touch with the lawyer

01:00:26.342 --> 01:00:28.099
who's actually
doing this lawsuit?

01:00:28.124 --> 01:00:29.655
That sounds good.

01:00:31.241 --> 01:00:33.717
Well, tonight, a warning for
parents after a lawsuit is filed

01:00:33.742 --> 01:00:35.538
against a Silicon Valley gaming
company

01:00:35.563 --> 01:00:37.733
that's very popular with kids.

01:00:37.757 --> 01:00:39.561
That lawsuit claims that Roblox

01:00:39.586 --> 01:00:43.242
is not doing enough to
keep kids safe on its site.

01:00:44.773 --> 01:00:46.303
Can you get a good
picture for me?

01:00:46.328 --> 01:00:47.859
Ooh,
yeah, that's a good picture.

01:00:47.884 --> 01:00:48.963
Yes.

01:00:49.807 --> 01:00:52.424
That's the capitol
right in front of us. Look.

01:00:53.081 --> 01:00:55.268
Oh! Yay!

01:00:55.729 --> 01:00:58.368
Civil actions, like lawsuits,
are an effective way

01:00:58.393 --> 01:01:00.666
to bring these conversations
to the forefront.

01:01:00.691 --> 01:01:03.327
And I think that is the first
step in enacting change,

01:01:03.351 --> 01:01:05.933
is getting people to
start talking about it.

01:01:06.292 --> 01:01:08.292
Everything here
looks so expensive.

01:01:08.317 --> 01:01:10.081
This is
crazy.

01:01:10.261 --> 01:01:11.995
What's the best thing
that you can do?

01:01:12.020 --> 01:01:13.675
Hit people in their pockets.

01:01:14.120 --> 01:01:15.800
Oh, it's easier than I thought.

01:01:17.980 --> 01:01:20.036
If the case is successful,

01:01:20.061 --> 01:01:21.968
that will cause
Roblox to actually

01:01:21.993 --> 01:01:23.565
have to be more transparent.

01:01:23.590 --> 01:01:26.024
Therefore, it will cause them to
implement

01:01:26.049 --> 01:01:29.331
better policies in the future.

01:01:30.842 --> 01:01:33.205
-601 is right over here.
-It's 601 the address?

01:01:33.230 --> 01:01:34.830
It's right
here. Right here, right here.

01:01:37.924 --> 01:01:39.267
We're meeting with Alex Walsh,

01:01:39.292 --> 01:01:41.706
to discuss the lawsuit
against Roblox

01:01:41.731 --> 01:01:43.689
for anti consumer practices.

01:01:43.868 --> 01:01:46.468
Alexandra Walsh, one of
the attorneys representing

01:01:46.492 --> 01:01:48.333
all and the
other plaintiff, says,

01:01:48.358 --> 01:01:52.030
Roblox's millions of users and
their parents think it's safe.

01:01:52.749 --> 01:01:55.607
As it turns out,
Roblox, it's the wild west.

01:01:55.632 --> 01:01:58.854
It is unregulated,
inappropriately monitored,

01:01:58.879 --> 01:02:01.136
and it needs to change.

01:02:02.504 --> 01:02:03.504
Hello.

01:02:03.856 --> 01:02:04.902
-Hi.
-Hi.

01:02:04.927 --> 01:02:05.933
How are you?

01:02:05.958 --> 01:02:07.067
I'm good. How are you?

01:02:07.092 --> 01:02:09.242
Thank you so much for
being here. I'm Alex.

01:02:09.267 --> 01:02:10.825
Good to meet you,
I'm also Alex.

01:02:10.850 --> 01:02:13.709
Ah, so that's easy to remember.
And Janae.

01:02:13.734 --> 01:02:16.186
-Yes.
-Very nice to meet you, Janae.

01:02:16.211 --> 01:02:18.270
I'm so happy you all are here.

01:02:18.295 --> 01:02:20.109
And I can't tell you how

01:02:20.134 --> 01:02:23.700
impressed I am by the work
that you all are doing.

01:02:23.917 --> 01:02:27.544
Yes, well, we do appreciate
you getting involved as well

01:02:27.578 --> 01:02:28.594
Yeah.

01:02:28.619 --> 01:02:31.360
I mean, first of all, I should
tell you I'm a parent myself.

01:02:31.385 --> 01:02:36.930
My now 12 year old used Roblox
a lot during, during Covid.

01:02:37.121 --> 01:02:39.408
I read what Roblox said

01:02:39.433 --> 01:02:43.742
about the safety measures
that they say that they use,

01:02:43.882 --> 01:02:47.022
and I really believed
that it was a safe place.

01:02:47.047 --> 01:02:49.002
And then about a
year and a half ago,

01:02:49.027 --> 01:02:52.187
I was approached by some other
lawyers out in California

01:02:52.212 --> 01:02:53.234
who said,

01:02:53.259 --> 01:02:55.332
"we've talked to some
parents who, you know,

01:02:55.357 --> 01:02:57.581
whose kids have spent a
lot of time on Roblox."

01:02:57.606 --> 01:03:00.981
The family had spent a
lot of money on Robux.

01:03:01.006 --> 01:03:03.376
And the children came
to them having had

01:03:03.401 --> 01:03:05.491
some pretty disturbing
experiences.

01:03:05.516 --> 01:03:09.783
So, when it comes
down to the lawsuit,

01:03:09.809 --> 01:03:11.669
what is the actual
issue at hand?

01:03:12.667 --> 01:03:14.481
Our lawsuit, ultimately,

01:03:14.506 --> 01:03:17.297
is about holding
Roblox accountable

01:03:17.322 --> 01:03:21.694
for misrepresenting the
safety of the Metaverse.

01:03:21.885 --> 01:03:25.051
Parents...
to, in order to be responsible

01:03:25.076 --> 01:03:26.472
and take care of
their kids safety,

01:03:26.496 --> 01:03:28.656
they need to know the truth
about what they're allowing

01:03:28.681 --> 01:03:29.683
their kids to do.

01:03:29.708 --> 01:03:30.704
Right.

01:03:30.729 --> 01:03:33.391
Whenever there's a problem,
like child safety especially,

01:03:33.416 --> 01:03:35.917
Roblox doesn't
really talk about it.

01:03:35.942 --> 01:03:38.604
And they'll essentially
sweep it under the rug.

01:03:38.629 --> 01:03:42.319
We want more transparency.
We want to know what is done.

01:03:42.806 --> 01:03:44.688
Absolutely. 100%

01:03:44.714 --> 01:03:47.290
At a very,
very, very bare minimum,

01:03:47.315 --> 01:03:51.185
if Roblox knows that there are

01:03:51.688 --> 01:03:54.900
people on its platform
who are luring children

01:03:54.925 --> 01:03:57.457
off of that platform, 100%,

01:03:57.482 --> 01:03:59.992
Roblox should be letting
parents know that happens.

01:04:00.017 --> 01:04:02.749
According to the Center For
Missing and Exploited Children,

01:04:02.774 --> 01:04:05.520
there's actually yearly
databases of reports.

01:04:05.545 --> 01:04:08.346
The reports get turned
in annually from the companies.

01:04:08.371 --> 01:04:10.838
So you're saying that
Roblox has reported...

01:04:10.863 --> 01:04:11.520
Yes.

01:04:11.545 --> 01:04:14.086
These incidents to
this organization...

01:04:14.111 --> 01:04:16.056
Yes. So, they can't even
say that they didn't know.

01:04:16.081 --> 01:04:18.318
Based on the information
that you've shared with me,

01:04:18.342 --> 01:04:20.547
first of all,
thank you for sharing it,

01:04:20.572 --> 01:04:25.649
and this confirms what
I suspected and feared,

01:04:25.675 --> 01:04:27.654
which is Roblox does know.

01:04:28.963 --> 01:04:32.154
It's very hard to actually
go up against these companies

01:04:32.179 --> 01:04:36.172
because they're so big and
have so many terms of services.

01:04:36.197 --> 01:04:38.332
But I think the information
we've gathered

01:04:38.357 --> 01:04:39.937
could be helpful with the suit.

01:04:40.502 --> 01:04:43.972
You can tell that Alex
is just a genuine parent.

01:04:44.049 --> 01:04:45.965
Like you can tell she just
wants the best for her kids.

01:04:45.990 --> 01:04:47.382
And that's what I appreciate.

01:04:47.408 --> 01:04:48.916
Because even though
the Metaverse

01:04:48.941 --> 01:04:50.725
in itself is decentralized,

01:04:50.750 --> 01:04:53.679
I think we should still
have conversations

01:04:53.703 --> 01:04:55.530
with everyone who's involved.

01:04:57.362 --> 01:05:00.434
We as a society need to
understand this stuff.

01:05:00.459 --> 01:05:02.681
We should have laws like

01:05:02.706 --> 01:05:06.026
a parent should not be allowing
their nine year old onto Roblox

01:05:06.051 --> 01:05:10.472
until the parent has read like
some pamphlet-length thing,

01:05:10.497 --> 01:05:13.507
being like, "hey, this is
what your kid will be doing,

01:05:13.532 --> 01:05:16.101
these are some of the dangers,
this is what to look out for."

01:05:16.126 --> 01:05:20.347
You know, if our stoves and
hairdryers come with warnings,

01:05:20.372 --> 01:05:24.032
then, like, how is it possible
that our software doesn't?

01:05:26.419 --> 01:05:29.739
As adults, it's incumbent
upon us to protect children.

01:05:29.765 --> 01:05:33.016
We have to be able
to hold people accountable

01:05:33.041 --> 01:05:35.462
for the crimes as
they're committed today,

01:05:35.486 --> 01:05:39.671
because the end goal of making
the public safer doesn't change,

01:05:39.696 --> 01:05:42.411
even as the things we're
protecting the public from do.

01:05:42.837 --> 01:05:45.831
Arnold Castillo,
he's now been sentenced.

01:05:45.856 --> 01:05:47.651
Zachary Myers is our US Attorney

01:05:47.676 --> 01:05:49.481
for the Southern
District of Indiana,

01:05:49.505 --> 01:05:51.741
joining us live this morning
with more on prosecuting

01:05:51.766 --> 01:05:53.973
these cases and others like it.

01:05:53.997 --> 01:05:56.626
Arnold Castillo eventually
did plead guilty.

01:05:56.651 --> 01:06:01.314
He was sentenced to a total
of 15 years in federal prison.

01:06:01.340 --> 01:06:05.539
And after his release, he'll be
under federal supervised release

01:06:05.564 --> 01:06:07.383
for another 20 years,

01:06:07.408 --> 01:06:10.331
in addition in being
ordered to pay $10,000

01:06:10.364 --> 01:06:11.858
in restitution to the victim.

01:06:11.883 --> 01:06:13.683
This is a man in his 20s

01:06:13.707 --> 01:06:15.993
who used the social media tools
that our children,

01:06:16.017 --> 01:06:17.459
you know,
use every day.

01:06:17.483 --> 01:06:20.692
You know, he was
on Roblox, he was on Discord.

01:06:21.107 --> 01:06:24.632
It's clear he used the platforms
that he knew children were on.

01:06:24.767 --> 01:06:26.625
You know, it's not an
accident that someone

01:06:26.649 --> 01:06:28.328
who had a sexual
interest in children

01:06:28.352 --> 01:06:30.675
is hanging out on
Roblox as an adult.

01:06:30.700 --> 01:06:32.697
Tonight, accused of
luring a 15 year old girl

01:06:32.722 --> 01:06:33.991
from Central Indiana...

01:06:34.016 --> 01:06:35.819
I thought this was
great for the victims,

01:06:35.844 --> 01:06:37.936
because the victims are
finally going to get

01:06:37.962 --> 01:06:40.010
the justice that they deserve.

01:06:40.035 --> 01:06:42.375
And I'm glad that he's going
to be spending time in jail,

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.183
away from other kids.

01:06:46.717 --> 01:06:47.717
Hey!

01:06:47.997 --> 01:06:48.997
Hey. How are ya?

01:06:49.022 --> 01:06:50.106
Hey, Katie!

01:06:50.341 --> 01:06:52.061
I'm so glad you're
finally receiving

01:06:52.085 --> 01:06:53.581
justice for your situation.

01:06:53.605 --> 01:06:55.454
I'm so, I'm so happy for you.

01:06:55.479 --> 01:06:57.253
I know you've been
through so much.

01:06:57.517 --> 01:07:00.285
You know, for the longest time,

01:07:00.310 --> 01:07:03.288
he was able to get away with it,

01:07:03.313 --> 01:07:05.954
knowing that now
he's actually sentenced,

01:07:05.979 --> 01:07:07.930
is really good news.

01:07:08.492 --> 01:07:11.287
I'm happy.
I felt like the girl that,

01:07:11.312 --> 01:07:12.744
even though I never
got to meet her,

01:07:12.769 --> 01:07:15.096
she finally got the
justice she deserved, too.

01:07:15.296 --> 01:07:16.296
Right.

01:07:16.321 --> 01:07:17.768
I'm just really happy.

01:07:18.897 --> 01:07:20.674
It's been such an honour,
actually,

01:07:20.699 --> 01:07:22.453
getting to know you and

01:07:22.477 --> 01:07:25.711
knowing you as a person
more than just a fact.

01:07:25.736 --> 01:07:28.163
And I really appreciate that,
from the bottom of my heart,

01:07:28.187 --> 01:07:29.201
thank you.

01:07:30.112 --> 01:07:31.801
Of course. Thank you guys, too.

01:07:31.835 --> 01:07:34.616
You guys have done a lot.
I appreciate it.

01:07:35.354 --> 01:07:37.218
All right.
We will see you soon.

01:07:37.435 --> 01:07:38.902
-Bye!
-Bye, Katie!

01:07:38.927 --> 01:07:39.927
Bye!

01:07:42.106 --> 01:07:44.716
Alex's focus was
always to help Katie

01:07:44.749 --> 01:07:47.108
and to really make the
internet a safe place.

01:07:47.150 --> 01:07:48.366
And...

01:07:48.937 --> 01:07:50.014
Yeah, I think,

01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:52.905
I just can't describe
how much that filled my heart.

01:07:56.082 --> 01:07:59.871
I'm proud of her every day,
but that just

01:07:59.896 --> 01:08:02.076
solidified so much
for me to say,

01:08:02.101 --> 01:08:07.558
"wow, you're amazing.
I'm so proud to be your mom."

01:08:12.612 --> 01:08:14.358
I think the single biggest issue

01:08:14.383 --> 01:08:16.128
that young people are
facing on the Metaverse,

01:08:16.153 --> 01:08:18.929
is that people with
institutional power

01:08:18.963 --> 01:08:21.064
do not understand
this environment

01:08:21.089 --> 01:08:22.965
where children are
spending their time.

01:08:23.096 --> 01:08:25.464
Okay, yeah, this looks right.

01:08:25.881 --> 01:08:27.311
I personally believe,

01:08:27.336 --> 01:08:30.129
and this is an absurd sentence
to say, but stuff like Roblox,

01:08:30.154 --> 01:08:32.753
I think,
should be like a civil service

01:08:32.778 --> 01:08:34.522
that is created by
our governments,

01:08:34.547 --> 01:08:35.922
with an eye
to taking care of kids

01:08:35.947 --> 01:08:38.112
and helping their development,
as opposed to just

01:08:38.137 --> 01:08:40.348
leaving it to large
tech companies,

01:08:40.372 --> 01:08:42.595
which,
for like a generation now,

01:08:42.620 --> 01:08:45.053
we've been seeing do not have
our best interest at heart.

01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:53.242
The challenge is that
the tech companies

01:08:53.267 --> 01:08:54.878
are already one step ahead.

01:08:54.903 --> 01:08:57.888
They have kind of set
up shop in the DC area,

01:08:57.912 --> 01:08:59.743
where the laws are being made,

01:08:59.768 --> 01:09:02.642
and they are already
building these relationships

01:09:02.667 --> 01:09:04.957
to potentially then undermine

01:09:04.981 --> 01:09:08.530
what could be a very strong
protection for a child,

01:09:08.555 --> 01:09:10.700
for Metaverse citizens.

01:09:17.085 --> 01:09:19.085
-Hi there!
-Hi, hello!

01:09:19.110 --> 01:09:20.712
A pleasure to meet you,
I'm Alex.

01:09:20.737 --> 01:09:22.179
-Hi, Alex.
-Janae.

01:09:22.204 --> 01:09:25.292
Well, welcome to Rayburn, DC.

01:09:25.317 --> 01:09:27.263
Happy to have you guys here.

01:09:27.288 --> 01:09:30.150
If you can follow me, we can go
to the congresswoman's office.

01:09:30.175 --> 01:09:33.263
I think that it's very
important to connect

01:09:33.288 --> 01:09:35.878
to policymakers that actually
understand the space.

01:09:36.048 --> 01:09:37.298
Thank you, Mr. Chairman,

01:09:37.323 --> 01:09:40.309
I would like to turn the
focus back to our children.

01:09:40.334 --> 01:09:41.796
You know,
my husband and I have five,

01:09:41.821 --> 01:09:43.781
and over the years I've
noticed how technology

01:09:43.807 --> 01:09:47.176
has been increasingly designed
to capture their attention.

01:09:47.200 --> 01:09:49.604
It's the same tactic we saw from
alcohol companies

01:09:49.629 --> 01:09:50.768
and big tobacco,

01:09:50.793 --> 01:09:53.622
start them young and bank
on them never leaving.

01:09:53.647 --> 01:09:55.129
But these are our children

01:09:55.154 --> 01:09:58.490
and their health and well
being deserve to take priority

01:09:58.514 --> 01:09:59.851
over your profits.

01:10:00.876 --> 01:10:03.227
Lori Trahan is a congresswoman

01:10:03.252 --> 01:10:06.872
who is constantly working
on what needs to be done.

01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:12.358
We were invited to actually
go over the current policies.

01:10:12.391 --> 01:10:13.705
Lori actually wants to say,

01:10:13.729 --> 01:10:16.122
"hey, we need to figure
out how we can fix this."

01:10:16.147 --> 01:10:18.428
So, how do you feel
about being in here?

01:10:18.453 --> 01:10:20.760
Well, honestly,
I'm a bit nervous

01:10:20.785 --> 01:10:23.651
because meeting
a congresswoman is very big.

01:10:23.676 --> 01:10:25.158
I'm actually kind of excited,

01:10:25.183 --> 01:10:29.188
because with everything
that we have been doing,

01:10:30.029 --> 01:10:31.989
one of our goals, of course,

01:10:32.014 --> 01:10:34.523
was to be able to talk
with policymakers.

01:10:34.548 --> 01:10:36.733
This right here,
being able to be in this room

01:10:36.758 --> 01:10:38.061
and being able to talk with her,

01:10:38.086 --> 01:10:40.075
it's going to be great.
I'm hyped.

01:10:40.100 --> 01:10:42.789
Although I'm nervous, I'm
confident that we can do this.

01:10:44.117 --> 01:10:45.117
Fist bump.

01:10:45.142 --> 01:10:48.204
Hello.
How are you? I'm Lori Trahan.

01:10:48.500 --> 01:10:49.748
Nice to meet you. I'm Alex.

01:10:49.790 --> 01:10:50.810
Good to meet you.

01:10:50.835 --> 01:10:51.979
Nice to meet you. I'm Janae.

01:10:52.004 --> 01:10:54.077
Nice to see you.
Thanks for coming in.

01:10:54.102 --> 01:10:55.492
Thank you for having us.

01:10:56.482 --> 01:10:58.561
So, we have a lot to talk about,

01:10:58.586 --> 01:11:00.389
with especially child safety.

01:11:00.414 --> 01:11:03.094
That's one of the things
we're really concerned about.

01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:04.462
I look at the,

01:11:04.487 --> 01:11:08.201
sort of the evolution
of the social media platform,

01:11:08.225 --> 01:11:10.243
and now we're talking
about the Metaverse,

01:11:10.268 --> 01:11:11.956
which is totally immersive.

01:11:11.981 --> 01:11:13.743
These harms that, you know,

01:11:13.768 --> 01:11:17.247
we're seeing play out are
just going to be worse, right.

01:11:17.272 --> 01:11:19.680
We've found that a
lot of these websites,

01:11:19.705 --> 01:11:20.829
these Metaverse websites,

01:11:20.854 --> 01:11:22.756
do use a lot of AI
to  moderate their platforms.

01:11:22.781 --> 01:11:23.831
Yeah.

01:11:23.856 --> 01:11:27.214
We feel that humans are needed
to be able to properly moderate

01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:28.897
these platforms
to make them safe.

01:11:28.922 --> 01:11:30.239
So, I couldn't agree more.

01:11:30.264 --> 01:11:33.190
I mean,
human moderation isn't perfect.

01:11:33.215 --> 01:11:36.104
So,
the fact that we would consider

01:11:36.129 --> 01:11:39.184
replacing human
moderators with AI,

01:11:39.209 --> 01:11:42.885
when we don't, we can't build
it on anything that's close to,

01:11:42.910 --> 01:11:45.458
to perfect, is alarming.

01:11:45.483 --> 01:11:47.730
We're always going to need them,

01:11:47.755 --> 01:11:50.055
to make sure that
it's properly updated,

01:11:50.080 --> 01:11:51.864
that we're taking
biases into account,

01:11:51.889 --> 01:11:54.065
that it's done well.

01:11:54.090 --> 01:11:55.854
And then, you know,

01:11:55.879 --> 01:11:57.662
riding alongside that,

01:11:57.687 --> 01:12:01.053
we need to make sure
that those laws exist,

01:12:01.078 --> 01:12:04.878
so that they understand the
guardrails around moderation.

01:12:04.903 --> 01:12:07.370
We do really not only
have to have policy,

01:12:07.395 --> 01:12:09.534
but we need to enact, you know,

01:12:09.559 --> 01:12:12.448
we need to hold
people accountable,

01:12:12.473 --> 01:12:13.854
and we need to get better.

01:12:13.879 --> 01:12:17.111
You're right. I mean, it's not
enough to just write the laws.

01:12:17.136 --> 01:12:20.637
We have to, you know,
we have to enforce them.

01:12:20.663 --> 01:12:24.855
And I think transparency
is a first and logical step

01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:27.386
on rule making
and policy making,

01:12:27.410 --> 01:12:29.502
because you know
what you're actually

01:12:29.526 --> 01:12:32.209
trying to put guardrails
and where they should go.

01:12:32.234 --> 01:12:34.000
Would you ever
consider opening up

01:12:34.024 --> 01:12:37.246
of some sort of virtual office
on the Metaverse,

01:12:37.270 --> 01:12:41.982
where people can submit
sort of suggestions

01:12:42.007 --> 01:12:45.026
that would really help out,
to have that user input?

01:12:45.051 --> 01:12:46.059
Yeah.

01:12:46.084 --> 01:12:49.794
The goal is to always get to
the most amount of people,

01:12:49.819 --> 01:12:52.250
especially people who
are hard to reach.

01:12:52.275 --> 01:12:53.938
And you have the most to share.

01:12:53.962 --> 01:12:56.773
I mean, just through
this conversation,

01:12:56.798 --> 01:13:00.107
I mean, it's incredible
how you can pinpoint,

01:13:00.132 --> 01:13:03.742
with precision,
what things need to change.

01:13:03.767 --> 01:13:05.831
And if that's a way
for us to reach folks,

01:13:05.856 --> 01:13:09.932
to meet people where they are,
is a great idea. Yeah.

01:13:10.215 --> 01:13:12.921
So, stay in touch.
Thank you for doing this.

01:13:12.946 --> 01:13:14.480
Can, can, can we take a selfie?

01:13:14.505 --> 01:13:17.333
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm not going
to leave until that happens.

01:13:19.685 --> 01:13:21.708
Good one. Good one.

01:13:21.733 --> 01:13:23.704
That was such an incredible
conversation.

01:13:23.728 --> 01:13:24.757
So nice to meet you.

01:13:24.782 --> 01:13:26.167
-Thank you so much.
-Thank you.

01:13:26.192 --> 01:13:27.430
Nice to meet you too.

01:13:27.455 --> 01:13:29.455
-Yeah, of course.
-Alright, you too.

01:13:30.632 --> 01:13:32.566
So that was actually
a really good conversation.

01:13:32.591 --> 01:13:34.927
I know. She actually knew
what she was talking about.

01:13:35.292 --> 01:13:37.808
I'm so sorry for the children

01:13:37.850 --> 01:13:41.652
who have had to take this
responsibility upon themselves.

01:13:41.859 --> 01:13:43.502
It is not your job.

01:13:43.836 --> 01:13:47.098
No, it's the professional one.
Yes, that one, yeah.

01:13:48.097 --> 01:13:52.531
I hope that we succeed in
creating this type of change

01:13:52.556 --> 01:13:57.060
that enables you to be
safe and be free and,

01:13:57.085 --> 01:13:59.393
you know, use the
platform for its purpose.

01:13:59.418 --> 01:14:01.562
Entertainment, education, fun.

01:14:03.455 --> 01:14:05.796
Let's just go in the middle
because like I really want that

01:14:05.821 --> 01:14:08.010
perfect like Instagram
ready selfie.

01:14:08.035 --> 01:14:09.650
Okay. Are you excited?

01:14:09.675 --> 01:14:11.355
Yeah, I'm freaking excited.

01:14:13.518 --> 01:14:14.542
Very cute.

01:14:14.567 --> 01:14:15.584
Yeah.

01:14:15.981 --> 01:14:18.152
The one thing I would
actually tell parents to do,

01:14:18.177 --> 01:14:22.094
is to not decide that all
of this sounds so terrible

01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:24.778
that their kid cannot
use the Metaverse,

01:14:24.803 --> 01:14:28.334
because as imperfect
as these platforms are,

01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.309
they're also how your children
socialize.

01:14:30.334 --> 01:14:31.967
That is their social network.

01:14:31.992 --> 01:14:34.015
Wait, where are you?
Are you walking away?

01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:36.833
Oh, I see you, I see you.
Hold on, I see you.

01:14:37.042 --> 01:14:39.411
This is how kids
are playing now.

01:14:39.436 --> 01:14:42.421
Pulling your kid away from
the playground is not,

01:14:42.446 --> 01:14:44.229
I don't think, necessarily
going to be good for them,

01:14:44.254 --> 01:14:46.994
it's certainly going to make
them unhappy in the short term.

01:14:47.019 --> 01:14:50.415
The thing to do is push for
these platforms to be better.

01:14:51.231 --> 01:14:53.902
I can t-pose.

01:14:55.030 --> 01:14:56.941
I can shrug.

01:14:58.443 --> 01:15:01.836
I think the Metaverse is
going to be a wonderful place,

01:15:01.861 --> 01:15:04.766
because if we go forward
with the mentality

01:15:04.791 --> 01:15:08.559
that we can stop this
predatory behaviour happening,

01:15:08.584 --> 01:15:11.923
the Metaverse will be a
lot safer for our children,

01:15:11.948 --> 01:15:15.337
our children's children,
and any gamer in general.

01:15:16.069 --> 01:15:18.520
I'm optimistic for the future

01:15:18.545 --> 01:15:22.555
because of the fact that you're
having so many younger people

01:15:22.580 --> 01:15:23.832
with a voice.

01:15:23.856 --> 01:15:27.013
And if we actually continue
to tell our stories,

01:15:27.038 --> 01:15:31.572
and we make it so that nobody
can say that they never knew,

01:15:31.597 --> 01:15:34.208
then that's when we can enact
accountability

01:15:34.233 --> 01:15:36.873
and safeguard the Metaverse.

01:16:09.330 --> 01:16:11.552
I have no idea how you're
actually supposed to do this.

01:16:11.577 --> 01:16:13.574
Three, two, one.

01:16:17.670 --> 01:16:18.670
Get it, Alex!

01:16:21.981 --> 01:16:23.195
I'll leave some keys for you.

01:16:23.220 --> 01:16:24.920
Thanks,
that's so generous of you.

01:16:54.820 --> 01:16:56.895
I do not sing but it is okay.

01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.349
Ooh! It's cute!

01:17:00.375 --> 01:17:02.543
Okay,
there we go. That still counts.

01:17:02.568 --> 01:17:04.114
-High five.
-Yeah!

01:17:15.241 --> 01:17:16.871
I think that I've
witnessed you guys

01:17:16.896 --> 01:17:19.745
do some really amazing progress.

01:17:19.770 --> 01:17:22.450
I wish we had more people like
you in the adult community,

01:17:22.475 --> 01:17:24.368
that were willing to
do what you're doing.

01:17:24.393 --> 01:17:25.800
So I'm really proud of all of
you.

01:17:25.825 --> 01:17:27.255
This is really awesome.

01:17:50.049 --> 01:17:51.939
I think we'd all
be in for a hug.