Tracking Edith
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Every family has its secrets. Director Peter Stephan Jungk had always known that his Austrian-born great aunt, Edith Tudor-Hart, was a talented documentary photographer. But it was not until 20 years after her death in 1973 that he learned she had led a double life — and changed the course of history.
Jungk unravels what had been a well-kept secret by speaking with military historians, photo archivists, ex-KGB agents and family members: that his great aunt, an unpaid KGB spy, had brokered the introduction between Kim Philby and Soviet spy Arnold Deutsch, thereby helping launch the espionage career of Britain’s most notorious double agent, who was the lynchpin of the Cambridge Five spy ring.
Through these conversations and the striking photographs of Tudor-Hart herself, Jungk takes us on a journey into his great aunt's clandestine life that is as gripping as a spy novel.
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Main credits
Birnbaum, Lillian (film producer)
Donat, Misha (interviewee)
Forbes, Duncan (interviewee)
Honigmann, Barbara (interviewee)
Irina Serbakova (interviewee)
Suschitzky, Peter (interviewee)
Suschitzky, Wolfgang (interviewee)
Vassiliev, Alexander (interviewee)
West, Nigel (interviewee)
Huber, Rupert (composer)
Other credits
Animation, Neuer Österreichischer Trickfilm; original music by Rupert Huber; edited by Bettina Mazakarini; director of photography, Jeray Palacz.
Distributor subjects
World War II, Women's Studies, United Kingdom, Austria, Biogaphy, Political History, Political Philosophy, Art History, Russia and the Former Soviet Union, Marxism and CommunismKeywords
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Value
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but
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what
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exactly is responsible is very important
within the British tradition.
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She\'s one of the very few women
photographers working in
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the 1930s and I think
the quality of her imagery
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It\'s really very significant
within that context.
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I think also the political narrative
embedded in her work is very
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significant on the KGB archives that
had never been disclosed before.
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One thing that stood out
was the revelation that
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she had been a major figure in the
soviet intelligence network in London.
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I\'m not in a position to
judge what you have to
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be there at that time to
understand what was going
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on but I just don\'t think she
had the proper idea about the
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Reality the Soviet reality because she\'s
has never been to the Soviet Union.
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Every family has its secrets.
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Summer never revealed.
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I knew that my aunt Edith
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Was an important photographer
20 years after her death that
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surfaced that she had played a significant
role in the Soviet secret service.
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She probably influenced world history.
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No one in the family believed
that she had lead a double life.
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If I couldn\'t get these revelations
off my mind I decided to
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follow her hidden tracks
trying to uncover the truth.
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He just was a staunch communist
until the end of her life.
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I wonder how this came about
shoulder to my new books by
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Lennon Because she looks to me
like a true believer and I can\'t
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say about solid operatives working with her
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directly whether they
were communists or not
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whether they believe the
communists in communism or not.
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But I\'m telling you that in the
KGB archives you will never see
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this kind of this kind of things
in the documents and what kind of
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things you know about communist and about
ideology for this search it wasn\'t.
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They understood it is they used ideology
to recruit people to spy for them.
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For Egypt it was exciting.
I\'m sure about that.
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Especially because she believed
in you know in the course.
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And she devoted herself
to this to this struggle
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for the habit for their
for the happiness of
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the world of mankind mankind
Yes that was exciting for her.
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I\'m absolutely sure about
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Her father was a devoted Social Democrats
but not leftist enough for eater.
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She decided to join the Austrian
communist youth movement at
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an early age are parents on the bookshop
in a Viennese working class district
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Small publishing house which printed progressive
books but Edith had different ambitions.
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She didn\'t stay in Vienna.
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In 1925 when she was only 16 years old she
travels to London for the first time.
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She wants to become a kindergarten
teacher and is trained by
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the famous educator Maria Montessori.
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She returns to Vienna and takes a job
at the Montessori children\'s house
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There was a very narrow our narrow group of
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friends a political community
that she was part of.
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Particularly I think linked to the
Montessori circles in which she was working.
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She was working as a Montessori
teacher from the mid 19 twenties
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both in Austria but also share
connections with Mansuri and London
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We\'re very strong group of largely
Jewish radicals connected with
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that movement and she had a close
relationship with those people.
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And I think that would have been
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a very sustaining political and Bolshevik
political environment. I think.
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She\'s one of the very few
photographers at the period.
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The other example being built brand to
embodies that photographic exchange.
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I think there\'s a key dynamic
at work in looking at
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her archive is what happens
when a woman photographer
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trained in a very different
political tradition in
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the 19 twenties moves to Britain in the 19
seventies what happens to a photographic work
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She was using a roller chord.
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So you she was looking down at the picture
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the image and composing the image
she was not looking at people.
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So it was always very obvious to the
subjects that she was taking a picture.
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She was not in any way concealed.
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A year later at only 17 she falls in love
with Arnold Deutsch and Austrians student in
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chemistry and philosophy Arnold is a fervent
communist and influences her profoundly.
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He\'s already engaged
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A young woman effect that doesn\'t
seem to bother Edith at first.
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When Deutsch and Edith were
in first contact with each
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other I think in about
1925 that is the moment
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when he suddenly cultivated and
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recruited her to some extent but he
took a long time over recruitment.
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And I\'m taster type Americans
throughout the CNRS Yeah
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Madame adviser at the madman and max again.
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Alkaline fluid as a squeezed
the CSF Tina tequila theatre.
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Hello Deutsch is one of the most
fascinating people in the history of
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intelligence partly because he
operated under his own identity.
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He did not adopt an alias.
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And a famous Soviet
intelligence officers said
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that people move easily in their own shoes.
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And that is a reference
to in the trade craft of
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Soviet conspirator CSIA shoes
a core of false passports.
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So to work under your own identity
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it is an advantage as
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an illegal Arnold Deutsch operated as a
postgraduate student at London University.
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He was a disciple or an
adherent of Wilhelm Reich.
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He was very interested in the
psychology and the sexology of
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human relationships up cannot Amanda
dishonesty mid-year and Anna died.
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In 1929 the common turn world communism
main organization asks are no 2v to Moscow.
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He leaves Vienna together
with his future wife.
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Edith is very unhappy about
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Departure and his plans to get
married has a goodbye present.
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He offers Edith the prototype
of a camera a gift
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she truly cherishes since
photography fascinates her.
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She starts experimenting
with this unusual camera the
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Rolleiflex and gives up her job
as a kindergarten teacher.
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I think there\'s a kind of dialogue and have
photography does that have anything to
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do with the cameras who uses it\'s certainly
got a lot to do with the camera.
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And you can see in this
image that she\'s slightly
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elevated above the crown
she\'s might be standing on
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a small war something or on some kind of
shows some sort of elevated position.
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And she\'s using a medium format wrote a
Flex Camera which is held at waist height
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And I think it\'s a very important
feature for photography that she
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never adopts the 35-millimeter
camera which is held at the I you
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know it\'s the kind of classic
modernist apparatus and she never
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really uses the 35 millimeter
camera tools throughout a career.
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Instead she\'s using this medium
format camera held at waist height.
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And the key thing about the medium
format cameras you looked down into
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the camera to make the image
which means your face is clear.
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And so you can look up at the
person you\'re photographing.
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So it\'s a form of
photography that encourages
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dialogue with audience and you
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see that time and again her image is
this attempt to create a dialogue.
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And this is very important because
this is completely different.
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I think from the kinds of
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press photography particularly press
photography of demonstrations of working class
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Crowds that begins that
developed during this period.
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Edith wants to become a photographer.
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She gets admitted to a famous art
school the Bauhaus in Desso.
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It associates key hasZero forgotten
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Biola add-ons to delimit in
four-course by Yosef variables for
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glided formulas mice and social intermeshed
fun poetry and Wassily Kandinsky happened.
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So downside sway in my class and we\'ll go and
photograph fish bit MANOVA and bars or was
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he varnished Amanda Suzanne
kind institutes and
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Ollie\'s Yahtzee had to kinda off it\'ll
live actually does while asked here.
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So hormones funds have tofu.
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This is my own consciousness or
Zimmerman\'s vantage and spars
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photocopiers her to Inglewood
Hudson unfold as a Bitcoin does
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seem does collectivist
or Schuppanzigh gives us
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a hot kinda appetite hunger
held OIL DO dish things.
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And now what is all this business attire
seizures or meets again the time does
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this NO cost tufa and a
communistic or student instruct
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soon embargos can give motto
who\'ve had simple sense.
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They\'re estrogen and as far as how
does organization ceaseless war not
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just for dealing it
almost misdeeds Barnett.
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So Tracy shuttered and does
those Act was I didn\'t don\'t.
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Smell. Pundits
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Her teachers the photographer
and voluntary painter hones.
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He obliges his students to master
the scientific foundations of
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their profession but causes your head
for it and so should ski or MIT.
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They are communists issues to Dentons.
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Ok. So Madeon McClellan as all contact to
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Quinta my mission to asean
and debug on numbers.
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The AAMC has offered not ignorance
naturalists than not bog and
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MAC but kindness from wooden does
it associates Gleevec Augustinus
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for under smile you should not involve
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niche may director was on on
Fukushima wasn\'t tourism as
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or via SIP skin untied or symbolise
he knows could warfarin water. Birds
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After leaving the Bough House
Edith visits a friend in
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London home she first met while
studying with Maria Montessori.
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Alexander is seven years older
than her a student of medicine.
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He\'s a married man and the
father of two little children.
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23. He invites Edith to join him at
a rally of the Communist Party of
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Great Britain and Scotland Yard
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observes her and discussions
with leading party officials.
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That\'s reason enough to get
expelled from England.
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Edith returns to Vienna and
again lives with her parents.
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In the early 130s poverty
is rising in Austria
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clerical antisemitic and
conservative powers gain influence.
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The osteo fascist time there
a paramilitary organization
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Austria is still illegal Nazis
gain more and more ground.
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Edith has only one choice to be fully
engaged in the communist cause.
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The Soviet news agency tests
discovers her early photo reported
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measures and hires her as they\'re
efficient correspondent for Australia.
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123456
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The workers are starving here.
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She writes to Alexander.
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I\'m not sure why.
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But one is aware of it\'s so
much more here than in London.
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The miseries horrifying.
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My father was a very charming man
people liked him a women like Tim.
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But my mother said he was like walker.
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You couldn\'t really get a grip on him.
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He was a big talker but
when it came to anything
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practical I think he was a
very good practical surgeon.
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But for everything else he was
not really very practical.
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How did your mother react to the fact
that he ran off with Edith associates.
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Well I don\'t think my mother
really regretted him going.
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He he wasn\'t.
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He really wasn\'t a very effective husband.
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I don\'t think any of them found.
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He was a very useful person to live
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with Alexander
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leaves his first wife
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and they\'re small children and
moves to Vienna to live with it
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He studies with a famous surgeon while EDF
is a courier for the Communist Party.
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In March 1933 Austria\'s Chancellor Engelberg
tofu bands all communist activities.
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By keeping up her clandestine
mission Edith is at great risk.
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Barry due west entered the manifold
agents for hostile and seal
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Tom Peters others for Zhi Shi Qing visa what
Mansi evolved Fisk and on becomes the tool
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Z d into certain aisles positive
Oberlin 30 copper didn\'t wasn\'t
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on Wooster vol posts
upon soil to symmetrized
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him booleans older on thus far is
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a good book Hannah when the lifting
stench onto Comments.find.
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I\'m not retiring to sex and
may Shelton name as he or
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she could shoot on CCT
snarky Bert autosome.
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So I couldn\'t hide the outer.
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Then in the RefSeq of Rotterdam on z hat.
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Schnorr stack. Stan
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I\'ll get rid of these taxi
shank again on diet is if
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after two bearing we can\'t
look at every single.
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Yes yeah we\'ve gone through it fairly
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quickly because we might
find something that don\'t do
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either you or I don\'t know about and
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my new life but we don\'t have
three hours just for this.
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See how well we just take
it easy we will be dealing.
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We\'ll do it. We\'ll do it. Okay
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You\'re going to look at every every single.
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Yeah that\'s why I\'m here
I\'m sure they\'ll play.
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You ask me. That\'s why I\'m here
is not to look at every single.
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We also you\'re looking at them as well.
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So OK wait a second.
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This is you see this where
the mean is easily says.
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This is the famous
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Where well-known police report on
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the whole business that she was
she was arrested on the 16th.
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Yeah yeah this is interesting.
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And often fescue Sturgeon\'s OK for her
to reach that seeking aided sushi Cki.
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January Reagan Smith goes to hint
heritage Kalikimaka fall common.
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Product. Does it as incoming nutrition
for fast and so absent or kibble out.
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So they don\'t do don\'t
believe a word a word
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And there you see they found a lot of
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private letters then in our
apartment from her future husband
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Alexander donor harsher to
how things actually are
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25-50 70 years old a
one-meter 72 tall thin.
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Pretty phase it blond curly hair.
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And she was horn spectacles.
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And she was always dressed in a dark cold.
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And with a poor man votes over these
barriers were quite popular at the time.
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I drew to emit uw yeah.
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What\'s this that\'s when she\'s released
socialism present for one exactly a month
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:15.544
On associates released under 14 to
June 1933 at ten minutes past three.
00:23:15.545 --> 00:23:21.139
My sister was said to have
been imprisoned in Vienna.
00:23:21.140 --> 00:23:27.979
In the early thirties she never talked
about it and never knew about it.
00:23:27.980 --> 00:23:33.829
And I don\'t think it was finally
lengths of time maybe a few days.
00:23:33.830 --> 00:23:35.959
No I saw the file in Vienna.
00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:38.190
It was for a whole long.
00:23:42.940 --> 00:23:49.264
So what happens next but right
when she meets her her best.
00:23:49.265 --> 00:23:51.258
Girlfriend again
00:23:51.259 --> 00:23:58.399
Let\'s see Friedman and let\'s see
introduces to her her lover or
00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:00.379
newest lover if you like can fill
00:24:00.380 --> 00:24:06.349
the 21 year old graduate of Cambridge
University with left-wing views.
00:24:06.350 --> 00:24:08.839
And I imagine over the sum of
the three don\'t spend a lot
00:24:08.840 --> 00:24:11.313
of time together and they\'re probably
00:24:11.314 --> 00:24:17.580
contribute to fill these growing
effects of the Soviet Union.
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.898
Deutsch and took a long time over
recruitment was over a period of about
00:24:26.899 --> 00:24:32.764
Think about five or six months
until the actual pitch was made.
00:24:32.765 --> 00:24:37.219
And this is classic recruitment
and in English in American terms
00:24:37.220 --> 00:24:42.739
the trade craft is the the talent
spotting than the cultivation.
00:24:42.740 --> 00:24:46.938
Then you get the access agent to to
00:24:46.939 --> 00:24:51.184
create what\'s called the bump which is
the encounter between the two people.
00:24:51.185 --> 00:24:53.749
And then after the bump then there\'s
00:24:53.750 --> 00:24:58.219
the pitch and that is when somebody\'s
declares themselves and invites
00:24:58.220 --> 00:25:01.459
the other person to
engage in espionage must
00:25:01.460 --> 00:25:05.389
CHEOPS two-volume hot systems
in bean dynein motor.
00:25:05.390 --> 00:25:09.408
She leads you Friedman and
then Kim she\'ll be Felipe
00:25:09.409 --> 00:25:17.314
Just forms a fresh virus and Tala
Fisher Monday as my English mile.
00:25:17.315 --> 00:25:20.329
There\'s been a divined by the Yom of
00:25:20.330 --> 00:25:25.219
our fish zebra fish in London today
as it\'s always fresh and vaunted into
00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:29.269
its own DM me desperate
sausage geography as
00:25:29.270 --> 00:25:34.489
a fortune just replaced Susto Newcomb
and holdover Felipe Montana.
00:25:34.490 --> 00:25:39.439
And we des diviner Denzin
in Bolivia to Indian fable
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:44.089
off Stanford and ISA or muda is
involved it boredom on violent year.
00:25:44.090 --> 00:25:47.539
India was how I lend. Their songs have done
00:25:47.540 --> 00:25:51.543
VOD is omitted because you\'ve got
to does the stephen leaf along
00:25:51.544 --> 00:25:56.149
Does the guy about the town and then comes
you always ad-hoc GGAC and puts his strap.
00:25:56.150 --> 00:26:00.529
Couldn\'t I was kept it
illiteracy associate visa.
00:26:00.530 --> 00:26:04.549
Me of when you\'ve had von does C go hey
00:26:04.550 --> 00:26:08.119
and I damned and buzzy in
business filthy and kinda see
00:26:08.120 --> 00:26:14.043
Schnell England around Vietnam density
in direct for installation of
00:26:14.044 --> 00:26:20.779
England London shortly before Alexander
00:26:20.780 --> 00:26:23.418
and Edith married Also in
the English embassy in
00:26:23.419 --> 00:26:27.379
Vienna they then returned to
London this time for good.
00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:31.999
In later years the British secret
service noticed that the two weddings
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.839
can place almost at the
same time they pointed out.
00:26:35.840 --> 00:26:38.299
There\'s a parallel to be drawn between
00:26:38.300 --> 00:26:43.290
Edith SM marriage to Alexander
and lit cease to Kim fill me.
00:26:47.650 --> 00:26:54.769
A friends are reunited in London no
Edith Alexander literacy can fill B.
00:26:54.770 --> 00:26:57.739
And Arnold Deutsch has
been central Moscow to
00:26:57.740 --> 00:27:01.324
England to recruit agents
for the Soviet Union.
00:27:01.325 --> 00:27:06.724
Edith has a remarkable idea which
changes the course of history.
00:27:06.725 --> 00:27:11.044
She introduces Kim filled
BY two Arnold Deutsch.
00:27:11.045 --> 00:27:14.099
Believing filled b would be the ideal
00:27:14.100 --> 00:27:17.649
Work for the Russians he should try to
00:27:17.650 --> 00:27:21.669
achieve a high position within
the British establishment.
00:27:21.670 --> 00:27:25.689
Ideally working for British
secret intelligence
00:27:25.690 --> 00:27:29.630
but he would actually be operating as a WH.
00:28:16.210 --> 00:28:21.289
So the bump in the case of Edith and Kim
was the moment when she took him through
00:28:21.290 --> 00:28:26.374
regions Park to meet our launch Deutsch
that\'s where the bump happened.
00:28:26.375 --> 00:28:32.119
In 1934 the bump was arranged by Aedes.
00:28:32.120 --> 00:28:35.254
She walked away from that encounter.
00:28:35.255 --> 00:28:39.124
Rho was purely to make the introduction.
00:28:39.125 --> 00:28:44.650
And then to walk away of
00:29:04.930 --> 00:29:12.544
the personality profile of the ideal
agent is not particularly attractive.
00:29:12.545 --> 00:29:17.914
It\'ll be an individual who
is somewhat narcissistic.
00:29:17.915 --> 00:29:21.244
Somewhat egocentric
00:29:21.245 --> 00:29:27.229
And perhaps even mildly empathic people
generally think that spoils all like
00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:34.189
James Bond or the very know
very active people extrovert.
00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:38.689
And you know they they have a
great sense of humor MOD Bay.
00:29:38.690 --> 00:29:44.464
I don\'t know play guitar or they\'re
very good with the latest.
00:29:44.465 --> 00:29:50.568
But in truth is these people
who have a high opinion of
00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:57.664
themselves believe that the
talents have not been recognized.
00:29:57.665 --> 00:30:02.749
Maybe bordering on the intellectually
arrogant in that they are
00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:08.719
deceiving the comrades that contemporaries
their friends their family.
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:15.120
You can\'t make a good movie about real
espionage because real spinach is boring.
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:21.394
Or you have to be a really great director.
00:30:21.395 --> 00:30:24.559
Now making a movie not about you have to
00:30:24.560 --> 00:30:27.889
make a movie about relationships
not about espionage because
00:30:27.890 --> 00:30:32.133
it\'s about human relationship
between two people
00:30:32.134 --> 00:30:39.873
right and actually one of these people
wants another one to betray his country
00:30:39.874 --> 00:30:44.539
Women make better intelligence
officers mildly manipulative.
00:30:44.540 --> 00:30:51.259
Perhaps have womanly wiles have
a sixth sense woman\'s instinct.
00:30:51.260 --> 00:30:54.348
And that\'s why this has been recognized by
00:30:54.349 --> 00:30:58.294
the intelligence community over many years
there have always been more women employed.
00:30:58.295 --> 00:31:00.900
It\'s like a love affair.
00:31:02.530 --> 00:31:06.798
It you know the relationship
between an office
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:11.914
thorough and an agent is like a
relationship between a man and a woman.
00:31:11.915 --> 00:31:17.609
In many ways you have to charm your agent
00:31:34.030 --> 00:31:41.824
Or as a working class area or full
rife and 20 going on and so on.
00:31:41.825 --> 00:31:48.840
But poor district of London Brixton
was a relatively poor district.
00:31:51.310 --> 00:31:55.444
Do you have any memory
of the house we visited
00:31:55.445 --> 00:32:01.429
68 acre lane where they first lived
downstairs was the practice.
00:32:01.430 --> 00:32:02.824
If I\'m not mistaken.
00:32:02.825 --> 00:32:04.609
Upstairs was the apartment
00:32:04.610 --> 00:32:10.354
But do you have any memory of the house her
Brixton that then acre Lane was a main road.
00:32:10.355 --> 00:32:15.064
I must have been in the apartment
they argued a lot all in German.
00:32:15.065 --> 00:32:21.949
So when they fought you like better
hated that well like most children with
00:32:21.950 --> 00:32:29.599
a single parent I for a long
time sorts were one day.
00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:33.469
He will come back to Jane and
then I\'ll have a father.
00:32:33.470 --> 00:32:35.999
I just wanted to have a father
00:32:41.890 --> 00:32:49.444
Edith father suffering from severe
depression commits suicide in 1934.
00:32:49.445 --> 00:32:55.804
She does not return to Vienna for the funeral
that accompanies Alexander to whales.
00:32:55.805 --> 00:33:02.370
In Rhonda Valley he treats coal miners
without ever asking to be paid.
00:33:03.790 --> 00:33:11.790
Edith photographs striking miners and hunger
marches organized by the Communist Party.
00:33:13.750 --> 00:33:21.750
Increasingly the camera becomes Edith weapon
in her fight against the world\'s injustices
00:33:27.550 --> 00:33:30.468
For me is interesting about this is how as
00:33:30.469 --> 00:33:33.904
a photographer She position
herself in relation to the crowd.
00:33:33.905 --> 00:33:36.048
And you when you look at this
image you have to ask yourself
00:33:36.049 --> 00:33:37.999
where she\'s standing and
she\'s clearly standing
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:42.034
here on one of these pedestals when
these fence pedestals here so high up.
00:33:42.035 --> 00:33:45.799
And again in this position of dialogue
with the people she\'s photographing.
00:33:45.800 --> 00:33:48.123
So you can see some of the
figures in the crowd who
00:33:48.124 --> 00:33:50.718
are waving nearly looking
at and I think probably to
00:33:50.719 --> 00:33:54.889
see a woman standing in a fairly elevated
position maybe slightly precarious
00:33:54.890 --> 00:33:59.689
position with a camera at that time was
something which interested in engaged people.
00:33:59.690 --> 00:34:02.809
And again at very complexly
constructed image and you have
00:34:02.810 --> 00:34:06.243
the crowd much at one side of the
street and then these many bicycles
00:34:06.244 --> 00:34:11.299
Almost like a kind of Welsh Tour de France
came down the other side of the street.
00:34:11.300 --> 00:34:15.664
As far as I know it was a so-called
Hunger march in the thirties.
00:34:15.665 --> 00:34:19.500
Now of course there are many
Manchus and their team.
00:34:57.820 --> 00:35:04.849
In the spring of 1936 Egypt\'s and
Alexander\'s only child Tommy is born.
00:35:04.850 --> 00:35:09.049
He develops perfectly
well at first a healthy.
00:35:09.050 --> 00:35:11.790
Seemingly happy boy.
00:35:18.520 --> 00:35:24.919
I think it probably did affect him
that his parents were arguing a lot.
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.618
And also as an observer
00:35:30.619 --> 00:35:35.254
it was a very bad observer
I was interested in.
00:35:35.255 --> 00:35:38.989
I was much more interested
in myself than I was in him.
00:35:38.990 --> 00:35:44.160
And also I think he would be arrival.
00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:07.230
I think it probably did damage Tommy that
his father disappeared for two years.
00:36:07.580 --> 00:36:12.858
Alexander tudor Hart mounted to
00:36:12.859 --> 00:36:20.629
To heal the bone did in the Spanish
Civil War but he didn\'t want to help.
00:36:20.630 --> 00:36:25.399
And it this was in the green mentorship go.
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:31.489
So he was away for a number of years.
00:36:31.490 --> 00:36:33.289
I don\'t know how long it.
00:36:33.290 --> 00:36:37.189
Lasted three years the Spanish were lasted.
00:36:37.190 --> 00:36:39.739
So perhaps he stayed around that time.
00:36:39.740 --> 00:36:42.619
Yes stay order time.
00:36:42.620 --> 00:36:46.579
And left.
00:36:46.580 --> 00:36:50.764
It is as a boy without any means.
00:36:50.765 --> 00:36:54.738
So she had to go and
00:36:54.739 --> 00:36:59.434
Find and do work.
00:36:59.435 --> 00:37:04.530
But tell us no money ever
00:37:24.550 --> 00:37:27.573
children\'s living by taking on
00:37:27.574 --> 00:37:33.739
advertising jobs and working as a
photo journalist for magazines.
00:37:33.740 --> 00:37:36.693
She cannot afford to keep the house
00:37:36.694 --> 00:37:42.900
As Alexander is still in Spain and
decides to move to Swiss Cottage.
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:04.440
Super loud Xander came back.
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:12.184
He didn\'t provide much help you
didn\'t and then the money himself.
00:38:12.185 --> 00:38:18.919
So that was a very difficult situation. And
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.849
one never knows what happens to retain.
00:38:22.850 --> 00:38:26.164
People who are married to each other.
00:38:26.165 --> 00:38:28.830
The marriage
00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:32.070
broke
00:38:41.710 --> 00:38:43.684
just.
00:38:43.685 --> 00:38:51.199
Okay. Now do you know the exact year when
this was taken I don\'t know the exact year.
00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:56.118
My guess would be 3536 because I feel that
00:38:56.119 --> 00:39:01.219
it was a bit later even when Alexander
tudor Hart had already left four
00:39:01.220 --> 00:39:04.549
Spain and told me it was already
bull and Tommy was born.
00:39:04.550 --> 00:39:09.918
There was an attempt to portray herself in
a slightly contemplative but I think also
00:39:09.919 --> 00:39:11.358
very up-to-date manner with
00:39:11.359 --> 00:39:15.394
the cigarette as well whether this is
a future looking image I don\'t know.
00:39:15.395 --> 00:39:17.869
Maybe we\'re reading too much into.
Juicer looks Tad.
00:39:17.870 --> 00:39:23.959
I check say sorry very very grey eyes that
she was Xander tudor Hart being away.
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:25.939
She alone with the baby.
00:39:25.940 --> 00:39:30.559
Was in the middle of her espionage
activity very much the case I mean by
00:39:30.560 --> 00:39:35.299
this time is possible that by this time
Deutsche Deutsche has been record to Moscow.
00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:38.929
So she in a sense is running
the resident here in London.
00:39:38.930 --> 00:39:42.904
She\'s the person who\'s organizing
it at this time so it could be
00:39:42.905 --> 00:39:45.798
One of the most intense active faces and
00:39:45.799 --> 00:39:50.209
her espionage activities and
perhaps in our entire life.
00:39:50.210 --> 00:39:54.708
In the early 990s Nigel West was among
00:39:54.709 --> 00:39:57.138
the very few historians
who were allowed to do
00:39:57.139 --> 00:40:01.534
research at the archives
of the KGB in Moscow.
00:40:01.535 --> 00:40:05.044
Back then the archive granted limited axis
00:40:05.045 --> 00:40:09.169
in return for significant
financial compensation.
00:40:09.170 --> 00:40:13.459
There is no doubt that she was
the linchpin to the whole
00:40:13.460 --> 00:40:17.359
of the Cambridge Five without
intervention without
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:25.204
her introduction of Kim fell Bay to Arnold
Deutsche in 1934 the Cambridge Five
00:40:25.205 --> 00:40:29.148
Probably would not have happened in
00:40:29.149 --> 00:40:34.819
the history of the third department of
the first chief directory too thick HEB.
00:40:34.820 --> 00:40:39.019
And how come Edith is
actually on the on the cover.
00:40:39.020 --> 00:40:46.864
Well she was a key figure in the book has
Story had never really been told before.
00:40:46.865 --> 00:40:50.239
And without her there wouldn\'t
have been the Cambridge five.
00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:56.433
She was one of the real stars
of the KGB is third department
00:40:56.434 --> 00:41:00.499
the English department aegis
and Arnold Deutsch brought
00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:05.133
this group of five talented top-level
students from Cambridge together
00:41:05.134 --> 00:41:08.328
Five handpicked men who managed to reach
00:41:08.329 --> 00:41:12.588
high positions within the British
government as spies they
00:41:12.589 --> 00:41:15.378
passed on thousands of state secrets to
00:41:15.379 --> 00:41:20.449
the Soviet Union and managed to
remain undetected over decades.
00:41:20.450 --> 00:41:23.479
These individuals changed history.
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.258
The damage that they did
was very significant
00:41:27.259 --> 00:41:30.693
if you take the example of
John can cross he supplied
00:41:30.694 --> 00:41:34.758
the original information suggesting that
00:41:34.759 --> 00:41:37.579
the British government
would now invest heavily
00:41:37.580 --> 00:41:40.699
in an atomic weapons program that changed.
00:41:40.700 --> 00:41:43.548
History came Phil Bayh identified
00:41:43.549 --> 00:41:47.434
every single officer employed
by the secret intelligence
00:41:47.435 --> 00:41:53.779
including his own sister wrote personality
profiles the weaknesses of all of
00:41:53.780 --> 00:41:56.793
these individuals whose
identities was supposed to be
00:41:56.794 --> 00:42:00.394
secret tongue can cross
joined the Foreign Office.
00:42:00.395 --> 00:42:04.608
He worked in the same room in the Western
department in the very same room as
00:42:04.609 --> 00:42:10.834
Donald McLain Donald McLain recommended
but John can cross should be recruited.
00:42:10.835 --> 00:42:15.379
Perhaps we should talk about the
code name the KGB cave to Edith.
00:42:15.380 --> 00:42:18.540
I\'m sure you know it Edith.
00:42:18.580 --> 00:42:24.349
You could also say that Antony
blunt was kid named Tony.
00:42:24.350 --> 00:42:30.019
That Kim fill base code name was Sonny.
00:42:30.020 --> 00:42:36.064
And perhaps even more revealing Guy
Burgess who was a predatory homosexual.
00:42:36.065 --> 00:42:41.149
His code name was maiden absentee
blunt was able to walk into
00:42:41.150 --> 00:42:49.150
the MC5 registry and get out every single
document relating to Soviet espionage.
00:42:49.535 --> 00:42:57.108
Group. Again Pitchfork and
00:42:57.109 --> 00:43:03.469
glitchy lon Field via my clean Burgess
00:43:03.470 --> 00:43:08.854
Karen blunt it can close.
00:43:08.855 --> 00:43:11.884
Controversially was 30 milliwatts.
00:43:11.885 --> 00:43:17.310
Temporary SCAP Georgia
templates 50 sender completes.
00:43:17.530 --> 00:43:21.364
It pretty isn\'t enough. She met.
00:43:21.365 --> 00:43:25.039
Tom Sheatsley inertia matrix K bushing and
00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:31.218
Progeria Conocchia are dominos to Juno\'s
Tonga do Muslim only Phil Morefield VHDL
00:43:31.219 --> 00:43:37.804
euro both trajectory through
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00:43:37.805 --> 00:43:45.618
someone who does Nick was 2D
mirror whereas Vidkun persuading
00:43:45.619 --> 00:43:50.478
The escape pod to UI crashes to infomatics
00:43:50.479 --> 00:43:54.858
equatorial postal Parlante technology
and yours you know guys do
00:43:54.859 --> 00:44:00.729
a live lunar sister on the period
Bueno associate num Norba.
00:44:00.730 --> 00:44:06.708
Well remember ONE thoroughly
marijuana use you know
00:44:06.709 --> 00:44:09.990
the mostly
00:44:10.330 --> 00:44:18.330
a publishing firm
00:44:44.590 --> 00:44:50.854
Although Edith has never been to
Russia I want to retrace an era here.
00:44:50.855 --> 00:44:56.509
The remnants of the Soviet empire and
ideology she embraced so fervently.
00:44:56.510 --> 00:44:59.928
Of course I\'m aware that
it has again become almost
00:44:59.929 --> 00:45:03.964
impossible to get access to the
archives of the former KGB.
00:45:03.965 --> 00:45:10.710
Nevertheless i\'ve made several attempts
over the past few years. I won\'t give up.
00:45:11.050 --> 00:45:15.438
Now you know I\'ve been
trying for years to get into
00:45:15.439 --> 00:45:21.558
the secret archives in Moscow to
find out with the KGB and collected
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:26.448
about or do you have any idea what I
would find there although I\'m not
00:45:26.449 --> 00:45:31.939
letting R I\'m sure you will find
nothing because they will not.
00:45:31.940 --> 00:45:34.099
They will not give you anything.
00:45:34.100 --> 00:45:39.079
Absolutely sure about it but if they
would let me in they would not show me
00:45:39.080 --> 00:45:44.994
anything to live in where
they will let you in
00:45:44.995 --> 00:45:49.664
Office but they don\'t have the
archives of the press office.
00:45:49.665 --> 00:45:53.939
But if I want to go to the main
building and yes no yes yes yes.
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:58.109
And again thank you for your camp.
00:45:58.110 --> 00:46:00.479
They will never let you.
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.614
I will go to Moscow please go.
00:46:03.615 --> 00:46:06.404
I will try anyway in any
event you should try.
00:46:06.405 --> 00:46:08.828
Yeah. I\'ve been
00:46:08.829 --> 00:46:12.574
And the same thing for many
years so we know each other.
00:46:12.575 --> 00:46:14.884
You should drive you will fail.
00:46:14.885 --> 00:46:22.885
But you subtract out
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.459
the archive of the common
town the former organization
00:46:28.460 --> 00:46:32.989
advocating world communism
is more easily accessible.
00:46:32.990 --> 00:46:38.134
I begin searching for Egypt\'s hidden
traces here. They should know something.
00:46:38.135 --> 00:46:43.620
For sure sure does present.
00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:51.180
They need your ID on
Facebook so I understood.
00:46:55.140 --> 00:46:57.619
So I sit
00:47:24.720 --> 00:47:26.108
near
00:47:26.109 --> 00:47:29.509
this additive to the fourth
00:47:36.220 --> 00:47:40.098
Could you ask him Did they find
anything because when we were
00:47:40.099 --> 00:47:44.178
downstairs the two gentlemen
said no but maybe
00:47:44.179 --> 00:47:51.634
Valerie who is so to speak the absolute boss
here I have the feeling in the archive.
00:47:51.635 --> 00:47:54.693
Does he know whether there
is anything here about
00:47:54.694 --> 00:47:59.700
yesterday yes personality predicative
and travel to these droughts.
00:47:59.830 --> 00:48:04.758
And yet the formula and yesterday shooters
unless you\'re told us motivated like
00:48:04.759 --> 00:48:11.254
a leash they met each deletion of
a deal where they just Ophelia.
00:48:11.255 --> 00:48:14.599
She Cauchy Cauchy nice thing for Emilia.
00:48:14.600 --> 00:48:16.188
Yet how long
00:48:16.189 --> 00:48:22.639
Have you been here always
disrupt those career 45 years.
00:48:22.640 --> 00:48:24.120
So
00:48:31.210 --> 00:48:33.228
A very little bit
00:48:33.229 --> 00:48:40.369
of English in Deutsch urbanist
and this cheat sheet a scale.
00:48:40.370 --> 00:48:44.869
And finally he says that this
has missed her coach UK.
00:48:44.870 --> 00:48:52.870
He is a scientist and he was working with
about political and military scouting.
00:48:53.390 --> 00:48:58.339
So he had probably excess to FSB or
hives or maybe to some synchronous.
00:48:58.340 --> 00:49:05.250
Did he have access to FSB was will
a dose to pokhara he CagA Blia.
00:49:06.010 --> 00:49:13.564
No And has he by any chance I ever heard the
name ended to deliver E-major tudor Hart
00:49:13.565 --> 00:49:15.288
the sewage sludge tell
00:49:15.289 --> 00:49:22.189
any felony slashed on a villa proscenium
photographer cacao Brad Hulu.
00:49:22.190 --> 00:49:26.149
Kunqu photography is Sarah about her.
00:49:26.150 --> 00:49:30.799
I know that she was a professional photographer
as well as her brother voted for gung.
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:32.824
Yes absolutely.
00:49:32.825 --> 00:49:37.819
Really where they do a weird. Idea.
00:49:37.820 --> 00:49:42.588
Bullock nigger. Nurse nauseous
00:49:42.589 --> 00:49:48.019
Jelani Zarif ecotourism Christianity
which has two Anika clinical Alexandra.
00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:52.008
There was a book about
Alexander or law of late by
00:49:52.009 --> 00:49:57.289
two authors from Russian side it was
Saudi off and also it was a British man.
00:49:57.290 --> 00:50:00.214
Oh yes co-author of this book.
00:50:00.215 --> 00:50:05.028
And there you read about it and they
actually recruited King FUV lets
00:50:05.029 --> 00:50:09.544
you can introduce yourself which has
told her Boesky chemo few bidder.
00:50:09.545 --> 00:50:11.269
She recruited Kim filled.
00:50:11.270 --> 00:50:15.090
They I remember hearing
members dead correction.
00:50:19.930 --> 00:50:27.930
So binary we have nothing here and we will
try telling we will try to get to FSB.
00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:31.054
I know it\'s difficult.
00:50:31.055 --> 00:50:34.549
I will still trapped all
bummed out but also Door human
00:50:34.550 --> 00:50:39.004
Facebook but almost that
you were resistant.
00:50:39.005 --> 00:50:41.580
Corals they feel good luck.
00:50:41.740 --> 00:50:44.764
Good luck vapid orthodox.
00:50:44.765 --> 00:50:51.300
Way Zoe\'s thinks it\'s no there\'s
no mothers as publishes.
00:50:53.350 --> 00:50:55.834
His name was slow war.
00:50:55.835 --> 00:50:59.164
I don\'t know this organization
and may be of God.
00:50:59.165 --> 00:51:01.889
Saves me away from us
00:51:02.080 --> 00:51:10.080
The risk
00:51:17.830 --> 00:51:19.518
of quasi
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:26.014
or Kinshasa insomnia don\'t fade on
his ship sank that cellular biology.
00:51:26.015 --> 00:51:34.015
The shift is where the media
during visual media in Arizona
00:51:35.860 --> 00:51:43.860
Your resume if religion Monday as Gustave
Unix becasue Zhun communist ought
00:51:44.629 --> 00:51:52.629
fission into Telemann dead or alive
cause Soviet new edges hurt me.
00:51:53.525 --> 00:51:59.388
Begins to an ancient lineage
installation layer category
00:51:59.389 --> 00:52:04.264
Roberto and the salience garage we had
concatenation nor Vizio innocence.
00:52:04.265 --> 00:52:09.949
Controllers towers near
senior year a motor Yoshida.
00:52:09.950 --> 00:52:14.879
Your senior year
00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:20.789
Nor should we
00:52:47.710 --> 00:52:49.098
define
00:52:49.099 --> 00:52:54.499
denied access to Edith secret files
at the former KGB headquarters.
00:52:54.500 --> 00:53:01.009
I want to at least consult with the press
bureau of the old and new Secret Service.
00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:05.358
A plaque on the wall of the
press Bureau commemorates Kim
00:53:05.359 --> 00:53:09.259
fill B\'s heroic deeds
serving the Soviet Union.
00:53:09.260 --> 00:53:11.914
But even here of Bashar was the place.
00:53:11.915 --> 00:53:16.504
That says nobody\'s peace.
00:53:16.505 --> 00:53:21.709
He says P over Q cannot lead you
EMP flaws that needs a special.
00:53:21.710 --> 00:53:28.069
Yes but I asked for the permission
since hears and they don\'t have
00:53:28.070 --> 00:53:36.070
any apology clip or telling that pyramid
with the posterior as per the sensor.
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:43.458
Rarely see Beckwith Shou Xi Bardach
00:53:43.459 --> 00:53:51.459
These gear. She is
00:53:53.980 --> 00:53:59.329
its sheer CPU TM promotions to
00:53:59.330 --> 00:54:04.548
recreate them in Tsukiji was a
ruby as he says she\'s really sorry
00:54:04.549 --> 00:54:11.463
about this but here is your own to connect
everything is very versatile foiled but he
00:54:11.464 --> 00:54:15.319
cannot let your Ian without
their permission because it\'s
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.709
only the difficult situation and asking
for permission since years. I don\'t
00:54:19.710 --> 00:54:25.920
How can I do this well I\'m glad you
saw me up but I\'d say it\'s Yeah.
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:33.960
I saw
00:54:35.810 --> 00:54:37.444
does SD card tie.
00:54:37.445 --> 00:54:41.404
They mentioned Jean Moscow shows modernism.
00:54:41.405 --> 00:54:45.439
The Moscow based human rights
organization MIMO yeah
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.384
reveals crimes committed
during the Stalinist era.
00:54:49.385 --> 00:54:52.938
Lately memorials activists
are being targeted as
00:54:52.939 --> 00:54:55.908
so-called foreign agents
who accept funds from
00:54:55.909 --> 00:55:00.749
abroad and engage in unwelcome
political activities
00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:05.809
He gets into z yes most superstitions
and most often gloss and tower.
00:55:05.810 --> 00:55:07.699
The 19th of AC VR givers
00:55:07.700 --> 00:55:10.848
Trump Xia to Schliemann mentioned
it\'s rare that someone does have
00:55:10.849 --> 00:55:17.029
yet annyeonghi county out long enough Stalin\'s
toward vital get gallons in each cloud.
00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:21.139
Thus ADD their Gleick guide include
00:55:21.140 --> 00:55:25.699
early Skype Internet journalism was on
those airfield and mentioned this legal.
00:55:25.700 --> 00:55:28.039
But that\'s about all Muslims.
00:55:28.040 --> 00:55:30.469
Zoned opinions Danish and signed off.
00:55:30.470 --> 00:55:38.470
Does mine eigenstate adverse or by Geary
Bus Dan absolute neater via clique.
00:55:39.230 --> 00:55:41.989
In Japan Eisenmann Spark.
00:55:41.990 --> 00:55:44.103
Does Gap kinda glide
00:55:44.104 --> 00:55:45.979
munch pass.
00:55:45.980 --> 00:55:49.894
You\'ve again there\'s garb
absolute kinda guide.
00:55:49.895 --> 00:55:53.359
Much part that you bought in
journalism has on their party Ertegun
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:57.439
suffered car on managed Parker but for
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:05.440
tau1 under Sharia law blender on mine for
half that is the HPO or nurse is Glauber.
00:56:05.615 --> 00:56:11.284
Koons went on field
00:56:11.285 --> 00:56:16.549
feel that so buy a guitar is
that these are Lincoln Indian.
00:56:16.550 --> 00:56:20.074
Accountancy forgive odds
in three-dimension vile.
00:56:20.075 --> 00:56:22.504
Does Varga stand in.
00:56:22.505 --> 00:56:26.254
Stark and forbid mid-air Moderna.
00:56:26.255 --> 00:56:31.770
And to all revolute soon had Zaire.
00:56:32.290 --> 00:56:37.804
Have Kinsler B3 good Roche and Cai Gao
00:56:37.805 --> 00:56:43.158
mankind Ziga VR2 Eisenstein
Lee seeds key as a treaty
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:47.779
called the least Zola anxiety Glauber
00:56:47.780 --> 00:56:50.599
as a dad thereby drag these
Ellington Coons to are in
00:56:50.600 --> 00:56:58.600
normal desktop o di di di di di di di
mentioned the three filter on the cloud.
00:56:59.980 --> 00:57:05.449
Manasseh and fool dad fuzzy Ahmadiyya
hardness and it was animal directness.
00:57:05.450 --> 00:57:08.629
So global field I mentioned
bottom gets vulgar.
00:57:08.630 --> 00:57:13.549
Villain as it divides vision
Stalin and Hitler var.
00:57:13.550 --> 00:57:20.419
Cartoonish revile sometime as well of
Hitler Stalin parked on a trig ratio
00:57:20.420 --> 00:57:26.839
momenta human there is no styling for
blogged about Luciana contestable.
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.878
Firm. Does var clear Sagar ARE
steroid style and destroy
00:57:31.879 --> 00:57:37.399
Communism catastrophize that will give
this healers Yvonne farts via effort
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:42.514
Absolute photographer to own des Halger
gaba Sagar and agrees or lighter org.
00:57:42.515 --> 00:57:46.504
Kahneman\'s or Garza. I don\'t
feel as their Creek Bergen.
00:57:46.505 --> 00:57:49.968
Well you mentioned Farm in ER and on
00:57:49.969 --> 00:57:53.823
four-element Indonesian Communist
era for stare long does deserve
00:57:53.824 --> 00:57:56.598
parked to Z i English at verse as
00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:02.989
Yukon Shalim muscle spindle
into ten aided Valmy in Moscow.
00:58:02.990 --> 00:58:10.990
Because I\'d done that
00:58:30.670 --> 00:58:38.670
First of all the points
00:58:45.490 --> 00:58:48.840
which are sorceress Circe.
00:58:50.140 --> 00:58:56.253
Who\'s your resources shakes plain to me
00:58:56.254 --> 00:59:03.030
It was the bombs I disturbed his mind
is absorption to start with that.
00:59:03.250 --> 00:59:09.649
It is possible that he falls over
the runoff outsider k1 UPA London.
00:59:09.650 --> 00:59:13.584
My Animoto Danforth in
kindergarten elbow hinge day
00:59:13.585 --> 00:59:17.448
to this anchor often regarded
as a ventral Thomas mystic
00:59:17.449 --> 00:59:21.349
saleable schizophrenia that is UDP and
analytical this relates these two events and
00:59:21.350 --> 00:59:25.429
found two comes to his mother was smitten.
00:59:25.430 --> 00:59:32.194
Tommy Tommy about nine men in
cabinet foggy state those scans.
00:59:32.195 --> 00:59:34.890
Educational skinny dishes.
00:59:35.260 --> 00:59:38.539
Needs ONE event a sofa in none
00:59:38.540 --> 00:59:43.039
Boy develop vellum to live was about
00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:49.639
phase and then became somewhat strange.
00:59:49.640 --> 00:59:56.974
And she went to various psychologists
to find out what the Tiber was.
00:59:56.975 --> 01:00:02.100
Some thought here was schizophrenogenic.
01:00:03.610 --> 01:00:07.008
As it involves associates
key companies not to
01:00:07.009 --> 01:00:10.669
the sales was found gans
saying it\'s funded manner
01:00:10.670 --> 01:00:13.399
is Donald him or Sonesh list or the edit to
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:17.239
the heart yeah many guns
and kinda Fulton schemata.
01:00:17.240 --> 01:00:19.954
Yeah. Yeah all of us.
01:00:19.955 --> 01:00:22.204
And so on at Tommy.
01:00:22.205 --> 01:00:26.388
And Tommy can\'t the EMA
leader from seeing this as
01:00:26.389 --> 01:00:31.909
OBS pi over L plus ischium
Mircea own hamlets
01:00:31.910 --> 01:00:37.639
when she may send him mimic this
virus when he guns Larry guns.
01:00:37.640 --> 01:00:40.609
For slogan they mimic cans.
01:00:40.610 --> 01:00:43.263
Family people hoped came contact
01:00:43.264 --> 01:00:47.194
socialized health system from
an inch man autism scannable.
01:00:47.195 --> 01:00:50.059
Tommy was completely mad then.
01:00:50.060 --> 01:00:54.364
I mean mad as we understood it then.
01:00:54.365 --> 01:00:56.014
Can you give me an example.
01:00:56.015 --> 01:00:59.914
Ye Shi He was very obsessive.
01:00:59.915 --> 01:01:02.519
He I had a record
01:01:02.520 --> 01:01:10.520
Our former option and his peonage to
come finished boasted some singing.
01:01:11.455 --> 01:01:18.234
The negro spiritual song
called Ezekiel saw the wheel.
01:01:18.235 --> 01:01:22.689
Eq saw the way fundamental of the air.
01:01:22.690 --> 01:01:26.300
He can so that we are in the middle.
01:01:31.350 --> 01:01:36.050
We run the grace of God.
01:01:43.410 --> 01:01:45.644
And so on.
01:01:45.645 --> 01:01:49.189
Very simple song very repetitive.
01:01:49.190 --> 01:01:55.894
And he had an obsessive love to this
song and he played record all day long.
01:01:55.895 --> 01:02:02.579
He didn\'t seem to understand the
difference between people and objects
01:02:04.870 --> 01:02:08.478
It\'s not quite the t treated
people as if they were
01:02:08.479 --> 01:02:11.479
objects because he also treat
your lectures if they were
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:18.289
people I visited him with the
EDS when he had been moved to
01:02:18.290 --> 01:02:26.290
Red Hill Hospital he was completely
living in his own world in himself.
01:02:28.130 --> 01:02:30.949
He was mutually cutting himself.
01:02:30.950 --> 01:02:36.619
A lot were big problems to T scratched
holes into himself and so on which
01:02:36.620 --> 01:02:44.620
was really very disturbing
and very painful for
01:02:44.645 --> 01:02:52.645
Ed to she whether told me by the
unavoidable because Limbo not the
01:02:54.829 --> 01:02:57.798
Anna Freud besides economy
three in tune was immediately
01:02:57.799 --> 01:03:01.563
his son went right on to Winnicott
01:03:01.564 --> 01:03:04.459
fishy Winnicott says kingdoms
01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:09.899
if Analytica heritage building
Ionic gans coursera only piece has
01:03:31.540 --> 01:03:37.669
This is for heat distribution when he
caught on it is pseudo has gone up in here.
01:03:37.670 --> 01:03:39.199
Fulfilled was clubs too.
01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:42.469
And so each cancer a communist
sandbox many motor.
01:03:42.470 --> 01:03:48.619
They hoped that taught on c-hat Gantz C-sharp
or help or receive other selves thrush.
01:03:48.620 --> 01:03:52.639
Stanley does the Winnicott the A1 to
01:03:52.640 --> 01:03:58.084
the hat fulfilled Tatas as CSA
for fluoridation send him fight.
01:03:58.085 --> 01:04:03.214
It\'s edema Pete told VCS area
Hoffman and give mock tat.
01:04:03.215 --> 01:04:05.719
Savoy was debits young.
01:04:05.720 --> 01:04:08.763
So ITA and lung as often
01:04:08.764 --> 01:04:11.539
That\'s the therapy.
01:04:11.540 --> 01:04:14.134
The sourness Erlang on Pegasus.
01:04:14.135 --> 01:04:18.259
Shifting God love benzene fulfill
potato simultaneously header
01:04:18.260 --> 01:04:24.180
defeat gap timelines as far commonly.
01:04:27.850 --> 01:04:31.519
At first Edith doesn\'t realize that
01:04:31.520 --> 01:04:37.219
the British Secret Intelligence Service
M5 has been observing her sins years.
01:04:37.220 --> 01:04:41.599
They opened her letters listen
in on her phone conversations.
01:04:41.600 --> 01:04:44.524
They spy on her around the clock.
01:04:44.525 --> 01:04:51.364
In early 1950 to him fill b\'s under
suspicion that being a Soviet agent
01:04:51.365 --> 01:04:56.149
to MI five officers question
Edith in her apartment.
01:04:56.150 --> 01:04:59.539
She remains in bed throughout
the interrogation.
01:04:59.540 --> 01:05:03.138
The report remarks this woman steadily pre
01:05:03.139 --> 01:05:06.694
barricaded from one end of
the interview to the other.
01:05:06.695 --> 01:05:10.548
She was completely composed and
answered questions in the manner of
01:05:10.549 --> 01:05:15.360
a person well trained to
resist an interrogation.
01:05:17.710 --> 01:05:24.829
Suzanne ball funder aided MER film fancy
lobby proceeded on the eye and decide to
01:05:24.830 --> 01:05:26.988
shine their clouds is tort suit worn for
01:05:26.989 --> 01:05:31.789
an MD5 CVA in coastal godfathers
L-dopa live and afflict
01:05:31.790 --> 01:05:36.274
to glycosuria occupying way hits and
vicinity correspondent screenshots hubbard.
01:05:36.275 --> 01:05:40.939
Yeah try infirmity had when he caught
sight inside the fall guy. Nimitz Eclair.
01:05:40.940 --> 01:05:47.314
Artsy kid trend from this effort on platinum
foggy for the businessman Lehman\'s.
01:05:47.315 --> 01:05:50.118
And eventually he stood
sued and a partner in
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.824
the stem is what as well had
momentum was incurred if club.
01:05:53.825 --> 01:05:58.369
He helps with unbelief because India
on the map where by life exactly
01:05:58.370 --> 01:06:02.959
salted has been shown to be the fire
hazards and optimise niche than guns.
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:07.219
We are shocked by this took like
Switzerland dish to civilian
01:06:07.220 --> 01:06:13.759
and the interrogation
in early 1952 concerns
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:17.478
Edith possible connection to fill
b which of course she completely
01:06:17.479 --> 01:06:20.794
denies the British Secret
Intelligence Service
01:06:20.795 --> 01:06:24.484
also knows of her love affair
with winning code which has
01:06:24.485 --> 01:06:28.249
just come to an end a terrible
loss which almost triggers
01:06:28.250 --> 01:06:32.239
a nervous breakdown a secret
N95 protocols states.
01:06:32.240 --> 01:06:35.194
She would appear to be a
rather typical emotional
01:06:35.195 --> 01:06:38.539
introspective and somewhat
intellectual Viennese
01:06:38.540 --> 01:06:46.050
Jew S. She\'s a sick woman highly neurotic
and is suffering from a persecution mania.
01:06:50.170 --> 01:06:56.028
Just one year before these traumatic
times Edith had completed a series of
01:06:56.029 --> 01:07:02.149
photographs that are among the most beautiful
and touching of her entire career.
01:07:02.150 --> 01:07:08.329
The book moving and growing commissioned by
Britain\'s Department of Health to pick us
01:07:08.330 --> 01:07:16.020
dancing and jumping children looking
into a hopeful future healthy children.
01:07:17.290 --> 01:07:24.900
It must have affected Edith profoundly to
photograph these carefree boys and girls.
01:07:27.340 --> 01:07:31.624
In the early 19 fifties Aegisthus objective
01:07:31.625 --> 01:07:36.829
Repeated interrogations these are by
no means just linked to fill beyond
01:07:36.830 --> 01:07:40.819
his possible co-conspirators but
to the fact that Egypt has been
01:07:40.820 --> 01:07:45.094
involved in atomic espionage
over the past ten years.
01:07:45.095 --> 01:07:49.728
If we are talking about the atomic
espionage if your cone then the people
01:07:49.729 --> 01:07:54.333
who did it it\'s about 15
people altogether in Britain
01:07:54.334 --> 01:07:58.579
and America in Akkadian operatives
or one of the most important
01:07:58.580 --> 01:08:03.814
was broader broader was
totally unknown to everyone.
01:08:03.815 --> 01:08:07.698
Where are you the one who discovered them
01:08:07.699 --> 01:08:13.684
over a long period of time he did had
passed on important Secrets of the West
01:08:13.685 --> 01:08:18.798
Handlers about the building of an
atomic bomb information provided by
01:08:18.799 --> 01:08:22.969
the Viennese nuclear physicist Angry
Birds grow there and she had been
01:08:22.970 --> 01:08:27.304
romantically involved with before
her relationship with Winnicott.
01:08:27.305 --> 01:08:33.544
Broder was working on nuclear chain reactions
experimenting in a lab in Cambridge.
01:08:33.545 --> 01:08:38.284
I made a few copies and
the National Archives.
01:08:38.285 --> 01:08:44.479
For instance here one I found immediately
I mean the files are all there.
01:08:44.480 --> 01:08:48.169
And one I found immediately
was the source cuss.
01:08:48.170 --> 01:08:50.644
About border.
01:08:50.645 --> 01:08:56.028
I could have read the National
Archive M25 files and I see there
01:08:56.029 --> 01:08:59.028
That it is reported that he has
01:08:59.029 --> 01:09:04.129
an intimate friendship with Edith
and also at 1 in the next line.
01:09:04.130 --> 01:09:06.229
It says her lover.
01:09:06.230 --> 01:09:11.929
But I don\'t personally know that but
you wouldn\'t expect me to be there.
01:09:11.930 --> 01:09:14.989
Because I was with my mother
and my mother wouldn\'t have
01:09:14.990 --> 01:09:18.034
wanted to talk about that
even though they had
01:09:18.035 --> 01:09:24.649
separated nobody is now alive who I
could ask well is it true I personally
01:09:24.650 --> 01:09:31.039
think that the individual and it seems
to be an individual called Caspar.
01:09:31.040 --> 01:09:33.769
And that person has now
been identified two that
01:09:33.770 --> 01:09:38.614
was almost as if he was
he was under the bed
01:09:38.615 --> 01:09:44.494
Since he was claiming that there were
lovers I found a lot of fascinating things.
01:09:44.495 --> 01:09:52.495
One of them was Burton broader who turned out
to be one of the major atonic agents for
01:09:53.749 --> 01:09:58.533
the Soviet intelligence service would you
say was one of the most important yes for
01:09:58.534 --> 01:10:04.834
definitely for a couple
of years 1940 to 1944.
01:10:04.835 --> 01:10:10.050
And because she was providing
information not only about the British
01:10:10.150 --> 01:10:16.339
on a project but also br the American
about the Manhattan Project.
01:10:16.340 --> 01:10:21.979
So we should actually meet with border
son and I think you should speak to him.
01:10:21.980 --> 01:10:23.449
I think that would be a good idea.
01:10:23.450 --> 01:10:26.448
Yeah well are you willing to do laugh cross
01:10:26.449 --> 01:10:29.749
amperes fascinate great
idea we should do that.
01:10:29.750 --> 01:10:33.618
I deeply appreciated the fact that in
01:10:33.619 --> 01:10:36.048
your first book you withheld the name of
01:10:36.049 --> 01:10:39.544
my father the real name and
you just called him Eric.
01:10:39.545 --> 01:10:43.819
Because you didn\'t know
what had happened to him.
01:10:43.820 --> 01:10:48.348
And as you say for you he was some sort
01:10:48.349 --> 01:10:53.329
of hero because he helped the Soviet
Union in very dangerous times
01:10:53.330 --> 01:11:00.229
They held my Russia and I appreciate that
very much and I respect their memory.
01:11:00.230 --> 01:11:03.259
First my father and my stepfather had been
01:11:03.260 --> 01:11:06.814
accused separately of having
started the Cold War.
01:11:06.815 --> 01:11:12.814
And in my opinion that\'s probably
better than having had a hot war.
01:11:12.815 --> 01:11:16.338
And if they what they did was to
01:11:16.339 --> 01:11:20.824
create the stalemate this balance
of terror which is what one had.
01:11:20.825 --> 01:11:24.529
Then we don\'t know because one
01:11:24.530 --> 01:11:28.608
can\'t do controlled experiments in
politics and history or my father
01:11:28.609 --> 01:11:30.679
with a secret for 40 years.
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:35.629
And I do ask myself you know as a personality
would he have been a different personality
01:11:35.630 --> 01:11:38.073
if he hadn\'t had this
sort of Damocles sitting
01:11:38.074 --> 01:11:40.729
saddling over his head for all those years.
01:11:40.730 --> 01:11:47.509
I want to remind you that the Soviet Union
never used or Bob and Americans did it twice.
01:11:47.510 --> 01:11:49.324
I make that point as well.
01:11:49.325 --> 01:11:54.588
And I also ask the question well
if the rush if the Americans
01:11:54.589 --> 01:12:00.724
hadn\'t known that the Russians already
had a bomb I think it was in 1949.
01:12:00.725 --> 01:12:03.874
The Korean War started in 1950.
01:12:03.875 --> 01:12:10.353
If the Americans had had a free
hand in dealing with the Korean War
01:12:10.354 --> 01:12:15.618
With no atom bomb in the hands
of the Russians maybe they
01:12:15.619 --> 01:12:20.599
would have used nuclear weapons
tactically or China against China.
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:25.093
And I mean that\'s a very real
possibility and Wacom law professor
01:12:25.094 --> 01:12:30.780
and edge crack as you see on reperfusion
never seen a setter and towel salaries.
01:12:30.910 --> 01:12:34.099
Payable quarterly tangy.
01:12:34.100 --> 01:12:36.514
Chairman chapeau devolve.
01:12:36.515 --> 01:12:43.590
The salaries of course not happy.
01:12:44.590 --> 01:12:52.590
Fair nussbaum But I mean nozzle
or heavy till leggero Mondrian
01:12:53.419 --> 01:13:00.720
Today\'s a creeper a parallelism
data Brady But bombarding atrophy.
01:13:42.190 --> 01:13:46.098
In terms of a personal life
she has what I guess you
01:13:46.099 --> 01:13:49.158
could almost describe as a
breakdown you know she she\'s
01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:52.069
under intense pressure particularly
around the moment when
01:13:52.070 --> 01:13:55.909
can fill me is interrogated
for the first time in 1951
01:13:55.910 --> 01:13:58.878
And as far as I know that
pressure on her continues through
01:13:58.879 --> 01:14:01.834
the fifties into the sixties
and early seventies.
01:14:01.835 --> 01:14:05.404
And I think he\'s kinda pressures meant
that in the end she gave up photography.
01:14:05.405 --> 01:14:09.709
And did your mother did Ilona
ever ever tell you anything
01:14:09.710 --> 01:14:14.224
about this previous line she did
tell me about the end of it.
01:14:14.225 --> 01:14:21.064
She told me that when they went looking
for Phil Be as my mother put it
01:14:21.065 --> 01:14:24.589
and they were looking for
photographs that Edith might have
01:14:24.590 --> 01:14:28.249
had that she burned a lot of her negatives.
01:14:28.250 --> 01:14:34.414
She burned a lot of our photographs and
basically had a breakdown at that point.
01:14:34.415 --> 01:14:38.074
And then when happened and
then my mother told me
01:14:38.075 --> 01:14:43.609
But she had to take Edith to a mental
hospital from everything I know that that
01:14:43.610 --> 01:14:49.999
Edith never forgave her for that and not
made their relationship later quite tricky.
01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:58.000
She told us that her life is really
telework because she\'s being followed.
01:15:00.740 --> 01:15:05.194
Every step BY sacred place.
01:15:05.195 --> 01:15:08.749
Add hardly believed.
01:15:08.750 --> 01:15:15.589
We had a friendly Postman once who told
us that our mail is being intercepted.
01:15:15.590 --> 01:15:20.164
And it was being passed
on after it had been.
01:15:20.165 --> 01:15:25.969
And mother often told me and that
I found was tapped spillway.
01:15:25.970 --> 01:15:29.764
So that yes you thought that as well.
01:15:29.765 --> 01:15:33.469
Yeah. For most tapped and
01:15:33.470 --> 01:15:40.759
the isotopes Steve that make you
suspicious that something was going on.
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:45.870
Your mail was being intercepted
phonons being tapped.
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:53.598
What could I do about it well did you
ask yourself why is this happening
01:15:53.599 --> 01:15:57.379
because our new way because they\'re
01:15:57.380 --> 01:16:05.224
anti communists and anti-Russian here
weren\'t communist and you weren\'t Russian.
01:16:05.225 --> 01:16:11.044
But maybe because of Edith.
01:16:11.045 --> 01:16:14.059
So time was involved too.
01:16:14.060 --> 01:16:17.284
But you didn\'t know if it is activities.
01:16:17.285 --> 01:16:19.114
Or you say you determined.
01:16:19.115 --> 01:16:27.115
Well she told us that she was being
watched and furrowed and to search them.
01:16:28.895 --> 01:16:31.459
Know this is this might
just have happened because
01:16:31.460 --> 01:16:35.129
you\'re the brother of Edith
continents queer plausible view
01:16:39.330 --> 01:16:43.059
Her brother was really know of nothing.
01:16:43.060 --> 01:16:46.959
Wiretap transcripts reveal
that he spoke to eat
01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:51.264
it in her apartment about
incriminating evidence.
01:16:51.265 --> 01:16:58.059
They even argued world finally suggesting that
you should destroy some of her negatives.
01:16:58.060 --> 01:17:01.839
A handwritten note by N95 officers states.
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:05.450
So much for naturalized ring Wolfgang.
01:17:06.750 --> 01:17:11.259
She destroyed a lot of their
records a lot of a negative lists.
01:17:11.260 --> 01:17:14.919
So you notice here that on the negatives
there are numbers written in ink.
01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:18.478
So presumably at some point there was
a very good listing of this material
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:23.029
Homeless was burned to I mean the
negatives were burned as far as.
01:17:23.030 --> 01:17:27.169
Some negative seem to have been destroyed
at that point but particularly in
01:17:27.170 --> 01:17:31.399
the United States that might have implicated
in her relationship with filming.
01:17:31.400 --> 01:17:36.600
And obviously this very famous
photograph of consulting with the pipe.
01:17:38.950 --> 01:17:45.394
Ownership of goods is a lot anyway
Me gardener book distributor Enya.
01:17:45.395 --> 01:17:48.349
It would result totemic knots
and you know the more than is
01:17:48.350 --> 01:17:51.184
available but you have no idea
and are not aboot field be
01:17:51.185 --> 01:17:59.185
a motherboard soda category neither to ensure
his sister had a hard life that is sure
01:18:01.234 --> 01:18:04.714
she never had any money.
01:18:04.715 --> 01:18:07.834
She had to form.
01:18:07.835 --> 01:18:12.780
Camera times typewriter.
01:18:15.100 --> 01:18:19.834
Gustave Courbet didn\'t
attend Xiaomi per year.
01:18:19.835 --> 01:18:24.109
Deal of terms to a page
that a key Kidney gene
01:18:24.110 --> 01:18:29.959
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01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:34.008
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again tour of cellulose carriers
01:18:34.009 --> 01:18:39.724
via Stellar aborted consilience key
sales page allegations Kim material.
01:18:39.725 --> 01:18:44.568
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01:18:44.569 --> 01:18:49.729
pro communist teachers K could be G
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01:18:49.730 --> 01:18:55.399
10k to escape risky Pete Yorkie
liberal Jeannie instruments
01:18:55.400 --> 01:18:58.039
to enact that that postcard campaign
01:18:58.040 --> 01:19:02.478
heroically ethrace who\'s a beginner
as usual periods and anteater
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:07.519
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01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:11.314
If he will be drew give them
privilege earlier calculator.
01:19:11.315 --> 01:19:15.019
Junior\'s name was known as
gene you Luca was machine.
01:19:15.020 --> 01:19:17.344
You could have any IP Israelis.
01:19:17.345 --> 01:19:22.380
And yet bizarrely s0 prosecutorial
in ECOG Danny\'s Meiji Putney might
01:19:22.480 --> 01:19:27.663
As Governor to Jim it\'s
very hard to imagine
01:19:27.664 --> 01:19:32.254
the ideological commitment
that these people make
01:19:32.255 --> 01:19:35.898
particularly when they\'re in
01:19:35.899 --> 01:19:43.899
financial difficulties and Edith never
enjoyed an insignificant income.
01:19:46.870 --> 01:19:51.394
At age 44 Edith life is in ruins.
01:19:51.395 --> 01:19:55.158
The british secret intelligence
service has been unable to prove
01:19:55.159 --> 01:20:00.199
her involvement and espionage but prevents
her from getting any further assignment.
01:20:00.200 --> 01:20:04.324
She\'s no longer allowed to work for
the press or for publishing house
01:20:04.325 --> 01:20:07.219
She must reassess her situation.
01:20:07.220 --> 01:20:10.009
She leaves London and moves to brighten.
01:20:10.010 --> 01:20:16.729
Actually this shop here in Brighton LT sharp
is a bit larger than Egypt semi wrong.
01:20:16.730 --> 01:20:18.769
It is much larger than hers.
01:20:18.770 --> 01:20:21.198
Hers was just a little shop in a lane of
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:24.619
little shops so opposite her
was also an antique shop.
01:20:24.620 --> 01:20:28.590
And there are lots of antique
shops all around where she was.
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:41.148
I think it\'s a Christmas
cards that aided sent
01:20:41.149 --> 01:20:46.563
out and you see the sharp hasn\'t
really changed. The number 19
01:20:46.564 --> 01:20:53.584
It shows exactly I can tell you that all
this fantasy exactly as a feed my comment.
01:20:53.585 --> 01:20:57.078
Because I counsel said
that your mustn\'t change
01:20:57.079 --> 01:21:01.338
that look this is what the sharp
network and that is exactly the site
01:21:01.339 --> 01:21:09.258
is increases to the Sudan spiritedness
01:21:09.259 --> 01:21:12.828
aided him spirit of and living
and to critique them handler in
01:21:12.829 --> 01:21:17.734
Bordeaux and Alice through
recursive intercity killers.
01:21:17.735 --> 01:21:21.889
Yeah as a defender scans I
didn\'t add it on to analyse
01:21:21.890 --> 01:21:26.059
muscle tissue or seen them the Dang
De Zhi of foil this lever for calm.
01:21:26.060 --> 01:21:28.323
Him often in lag
01:21:28.324 --> 01:21:34.289
It doesn\'t presidencies aggrandizement
isn\'t antic feed on Galen had as close as
01:21:34.290 --> 01:21:40.669
possible and dismantle suspected
inter-data I possessions funding.
01:21:40.670 --> 01:21:43.380
And I\'ll say I didn\'t add it.
01:21:46.120 --> 01:21:50.913
She had her equipment
01:21:50.914 --> 01:21:58.279
and our Rolleiflex when she was in
Brighton to take some pictures there.
01:21:58.280 --> 01:22:01.759
And she rented a little shop.
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.689
Was a bedroom upstairs.
01:22:05.690 --> 01:22:11.374
Little threat upstairs have
flat was full of nice.
01:22:11.375 --> 01:22:15.019
And what we would now really appreciate.
01:22:15.020 --> 01:22:22.878
I think oh jars and things like she taught
me about jewelery she taught me about how to
01:22:22.879 --> 01:22:26.419
tell a Georgian piece from
a Victorian piece and
01:22:26.420 --> 01:22:30.949
which ones were probably diamonds even
though they didn\'t look like them.
01:22:30.950 --> 01:22:33.334
She taught me about collecting antiques.
01:22:33.335 --> 01:22:39.108
And what she said to me was it doesn\'t
matter what you buy but you should collect
01:22:39.109 --> 01:22:41.989
a particular thing but
just have a collection
01:22:41.990 --> 01:22:45.870
of one thing rather than
lots of different things.
01:22:49.570 --> 01:22:53.794
In Brighton the past catches up with Edith.
01:22:53.795 --> 01:23:01.230
When Kim feel he has finally been unmasked
and fleece to Moscow she\'s again questioned.
01:23:04.900 --> 01:23:11.824
1964 another interrogation takes place
after Anthony blunt has been exposed.
01:23:11.825 --> 01:23:15.494
He is one of the Cambridge Five who did not
01:23:15.495 --> 01:23:22.100
Russia and he states Egypt\'s tudor
Hart was the grandmother of a soul.
01:23:24.510 --> 01:23:30.999
Davar digger system Fanon Tim field
be on funds or iPhone for MacLean.
01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:37.160
I nitro rigor via lived VC in
Moscow di invigorates here.
01:23:37.590 --> 01:23:43.629
Mostly inhabits disease have the toaster
good can\'t absorb Xunzi on thus far.
01:23:43.630 --> 01:23:46.299
I\'m thus var1 leap.
01:23:46.300 --> 01:23:52.029
And then three years Edith has been
01:23:52.030 --> 01:23:57.944
taking second a strong sleeping pills
at night she wants to be fearless
01:23:57.945 --> 01:24:01.548
Also her worries regarding
Tommy way her down he
01:24:01.549 --> 01:24:05.329
will remain in mental institutions
for the rest of his life.
01:24:05.330 --> 01:24:09.769
1972 Edith is diagnosed with liver cancer.
01:24:09.770 --> 01:24:14.269
And did you go and visit her sometimes
and yes I did go and visit.
01:24:14.270 --> 01:24:21.004
Especially later when she
heads serious cancer
01:24:21.005 --> 01:24:29.005
and hospice went quite frequently
am setters her for a while.
01:24:32.150 --> 01:24:40.150
So what was your relationship to her well it
was not this war message should have been.
01:24:41.740 --> 01:24:49.009
Why do you think that was partly because of
01:24:49.010 --> 01:24:57.010
her intensity of character she
was her plaza intense person.
01:24:57.730 --> 01:25:01.774
As I remember him yes she
would get very worked up.
01:25:01.775 --> 01:25:09.775
And I remember as a child being a little
sometimes always frightened of her intensity
01:25:10.070 --> 01:25:14.343
Yeah when it finally did come out
01:25:14.344 --> 01:25:19.218
do you remember when that was and the
other question I was wondering about is
01:25:19.219 --> 01:25:24.319
how did you react when you
actually found out about
01:25:24.320 --> 01:25:30.424
Eden when I found out was with the publication
of Peter writes books by Catcher.
01:25:30.425 --> 01:25:34.908
In the late eighties was
the first mention of
01:25:34.909 --> 01:25:39.769
Edith at all as far as I was aware
and as far as my family were
01:25:39.770 --> 01:25:45.094
aware to to me she had been dead
for quite some time and it was
01:25:45.095 --> 01:25:47.628
quite fascinating and a
bit romantic to have
01:25:47.629 --> 01:25:51.810
an aunt who had been involved
in these activities.
01:26:00.330 --> 01:26:06.998
In May 1973 Edith dies and
Brighton aged only 65 and
01:26:06.999 --> 01:26:13.670
a hospice for seriously ill patients who
cannot afford the costs for a private clinic.
01:26:15.240 --> 01:26:18.864
A strange coincidence nowadays
01:26:18.865 --> 01:26:24.260
autistic young people are looked after
in this form of social welfare home.
01:26:24.780 --> 01:26:30.159
She asked my mother she said Do you think
I ought to make a will and my mother
01:26:30.160 --> 01:26:34.994
said well I think everybody
should make a will very tactfully
01:26:34.995 --> 01:26:40.263
But she didn\'t what do you
remember about edicts
01:26:40.264 --> 01:26:43.219
funeral because I have to say
that I wasn\'t there and I
01:26:43.220 --> 01:26:46.474
don\'t remember why I think I must
have been out of the country.
01:26:46.475 --> 01:26:49.084
What do you remember about
it because you must have had
01:26:49.085 --> 01:26:55.219
a speaker To be honest I don\'t
remember anything of it.
01:26:55.220 --> 01:27:03.184
She did have a good number of friends and
probably other antique dealers and so on.
01:27:03.185 --> 01:27:04.759
But I don\'t know.
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:07.219
I don\'t remember anything about it.
01:27:07.220 --> 01:27:11.689
And if you remember the
cremation I knew I wasn\'t there
01:27:11.690 --> 01:27:17.219
unfortunately I wasn\'t meant to go
because I was pregnant at the time
01:27:17.260 --> 01:27:22.638
And do you have any idea where
the ashes or worse drone I
01:27:22.639 --> 01:27:27.559
have no idea whether they
were scattered or not.
01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:32.329
I don\'t know. Because nobody in the
family knows what happened to me.
01:27:32.330 --> 01:27:38.460
I know it\'s quite possible that they
whenever sketches I really don\'t know.
01:27:40.240 --> 01:27:44.103
No one showed up to pick up her ashes
01:27:44.104 --> 01:27:51.000
the cemetery personnels scattered them
on a pasture high above Brighton.
01:27:53.050 --> 01:28:00.450
But either to their hearts
photographic Avar will live forever.
01:28:32.080 --> 01:28:34.440
Okay.
01:28:41.080 --> 01:28:44.310
And then on further.
01:28:55.300 --> 01:28:59.959
The only clue to this I think
isn\'t her photography.
01:28:59.960 --> 01:29:06.150
It\'s looking at the social
conditions of that time.
01:29:23.320 --> 01:29:25.679
Okay
01:30:05.530 --> 01:30:07.920
now
01:30:15.460 --> 01:30:16.608
a
01:30:16.609 --> 01:30:18.690
Probiotic food.
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:50.190
Okay