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Maybe you’re all sold out?

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The last bags?

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I don’t see it either…

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licorice drops… sugar-free… oval-shaped…

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at least some licorice for everyone.

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Great.

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What is the Vacherin Mont D’Or?

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- It’s a winter cheese…

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covered in pine wood,

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that you can taste in the cheese.

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- Can you compare it with brie?

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- No, brie is richer.

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This is milder.

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- I’ll have a brie.

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He is filming, by the way.

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So you will be on film too!

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- Is he following you?

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- I’m leading him.

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What you’re smelling is this grass.

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It’s lightly soapy with
a hint of coriander.

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- And this one?

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- That is an umbel.

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A biennial plant.

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- A bit like giant hogweed…
the robust stalks.

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- But it’s not poisonous.

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Normally it has leaves and blooms in June.

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But it’s a total skeleton now.

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But we don’t take it out.

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- Yeah, beautiful.

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- Here you see them in the garden…

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- Gliding.

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- Gliding.

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- Yeah, lovely.

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You really maintain the garden

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to make it feel natural.

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You have to constantly interfere, right?

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- Yeah, it may look wild,
but it shouldn’t be wild.

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This is what you’d like to see in nature.

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- Yeah, would like to see… exactly!

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- Here in a month,

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this will all be orange.

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And the seeds… they
become completely black.

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Beautiful, right?

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That might not be the way
you should look at plants.

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But I look at the whole picture.

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That’s the beauty of plants.

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It’s all about atmosphere, you see?

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- In 1981, we were looking
all through this area

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to find a house for a reasonable price,

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and then we suddenly got this
farmhouse that was on auction.

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And then in May of 1982, Anja
moved in with the children.

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The house was big, derelict,

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but the price was good
and it had enough space

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to start a nursery which we had in mind.

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I thought if we had a nursery,
we could grow the plants,

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and use them in our design.

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I had no clients first.

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We had to create a living and
that started with the nursery.

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So, all these ideas grew in Hummelo.

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I wanted to go away from
traditional planting,

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so plants that look wilder,

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plants that were not seen in gardens,

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but were very good garden plants.

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The most difficult thing
was to learn what plants do,

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not by going to conferences,

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by looking at beautiful
pictures of habitats.

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So I had to practice with the
nursery for many, many years

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to get it sort of under
my knee, as we call it.

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- I think it was first a
horticultural movement,

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but it shifted into a design movement.

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- Yeah, and the book with Henk Gerritsen

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was very important for my career.

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- You and Henk, there
was a real partnership

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I think from the beginning.

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- From the beginning, yeah.
- To be recognized.

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- Our first book.

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The book was called \"Dream Plants:

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\"A New Generation of Garden Plants.\"

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This was the date of the publication.

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I wrote it with Henk Gerritsen.

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Henk had a garden in the
east part of the Netherlands

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and he was mainly growing
wild plants in the garden.

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You see, this was Henk\'s garden.

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It was completely sort of
intervention in the wild.

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So the whole conversation with Henk was

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he was talking about his natural garden,

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and I was talking about
creating more spontaneity

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in the garden.
- Yes.

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- [Piet] I was trying to
understand planting design

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from books and I couldn\'t get it.

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I found it all more
decorative than real design,

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and I found it not spontaneous enough.

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- [Noel] Yes, yes.

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- It also had to do with
more than just plants.

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It had to do with ambiance, seasonality.

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I think Henk pointed me to that,

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that plants were not only beautiful

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when they were flowering,
they were also beautiful

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for when they were out of flowering.

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We started to make a list of plants

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that we thought were
rather new in gardens,

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so Henk came up with the idea
to call it \"Dream Plants\",

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and I know that the publisher
said, \"Dream Plants?

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\"You\'re not calling a book
about plants \'Dream Plants.\'\"

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He found it ridiculous.

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So, and Henk said that was a good title.

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And I\'m thinking about it,
I thought, yeah, why not?

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So all these plants are still
part of my favorite plants,

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still part of the palette I use.

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A good plant never becomes old-fashioned.

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It stays good.

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So that was 24 years ago,

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so it\'s not that my career
started now, it started,

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it had already started.

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- If we look at his trajectory,

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he had time before his
international career exploded.

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He had many, many years to
travel, to look at plants,

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to meet plants all over the world,

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and of course to do
his endless experiments

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in his own nursery, a nursery
which was a rumor in the world

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of landscape plants that there
was this extraordinary place

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in Holland where people from
all over came to get inspired.

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You know, we should not forget that there

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used to be such a thing
where poets, writers, artists

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would go on a very long trip
and for many years learn

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and learn and look and look,

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and be nurtured for
the rest of their lives

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by this grand tour.

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And I think for Piet, this
was a grand tour with plants.

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- [Piet] Is this...

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What is this?

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- [Rick] Solidago flexicaulis.

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- After flowering, yeah?
- Solidago, yes.

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After flowering, yeah.

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This is a plant that was late.

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- How tall will it grow?
- We have it in the garden.

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It\'s about that tall.
- It\'s a nice one, huh?

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- [Rick] Yeah, it\'s very nice.

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- [Piet] I see it also as inspirational.

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The more you see of this,

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the more your work is sort of blended with

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what you experience here.

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My work is like it is because of

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these sort of experiences.
- Yes.

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Your work teaches people to see things

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that they were unable to see.

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- [Piet] It\'s a great day.

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- [Rick] It\'s wonderful
that this worked out.

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- I have three more plants on
my list for the next garden.

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Here we have Durslade.

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It\'s the landscape around buildings.

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It\'s a complex of farmhouses
that\'s going to be renovated

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and to become a gallery,
a restaurant and offices,

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and also a place where
the artists can stay.

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This is the entrance,

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and then the galleries
will be on this end,

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and then after the galleries,

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then you will come in a
garden of one and a half acre.

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It\'s a complete different atmosphere.

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It\'s a garden that\'s meant to get lost in,

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so it\'s quite big.

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It\'s a system of paths.

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There are different stories.

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This is a wetland garden with
a pond, a perennial meadow,

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and then in the middle,

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a real grass-dominated perennial planting.

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How I build up the garden is
start with a small sketch.

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And then I\'m satisfied
about the overall layout,

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then we go to a bigger
plan on scale, one to 100,

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because then I don\'t have to
put a grid on the drawing.

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I know this is exactly three by three

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or two and a half by two and a half,

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and I don\'t have to
think about it anymore.

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\"Intuitive\", they call it.

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The first stage is creating
this perennial planting

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with its specific species.

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First, I write down some names

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that fit this sort of atmosphere.

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Then when I have 50, 60 names on my paper,

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then I think of a sort of hierarchy,

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what plant can be important in this,

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which is the leading plant?

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It has a lot to do with
sort of mathematics,

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thinking in time, thinking, okay,

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first we need plants that
flower earlier than June.

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Then we start probably with
the autumn flowering plants,

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and then everything in
between will do the rest.

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At the end, we have the key
with all the plants per section.

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This is the clematis, this is the lobelia.

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Here we have the iris
spread over the area.

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Darmira.

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But this is the design
work, and after this,

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the calculation of the
number of plants per section.

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At the end, you get a
drawing which says one here,

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one there, three there, five
here, seven there, nine here,

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three there, one there.

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So that is how you work with the people

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that carry out the garden.

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- [Interviewer] How many
plants total for Durslade?

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- What was it?

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57 or so, 57,000.

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It\'s a bit.

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But when you work on a plan,

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you work from a bird\'s
eye view or from above.

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But when I really think
about the experience,

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then I go around on eye
level and see what people see

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when they go around the corner.

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If I have doubts about parts in my design,

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then I put myself on the
ground and see if it\'s wrong.

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And that\'s what it is, I can\'t do more.

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If they say rendering, I say,

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\"Hmm, I can\'t make a rendering.\"

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What is the sense of making a rendering?

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Whatever you show your
client is the moment,

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and not even the true moment
of experiencing the garden.

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It has to do something through
the months and the seasons.

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But gardening is, it\'s also a promise.

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It doesn\'t have to be there.

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I think you\'re looking forward
for what will be there.

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You know, when I think about Durslade

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and the people that asked
me to do the garden,

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a contemporary art dealer, gallery,

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part of gardening is
putting things together

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in a composition.

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But contemporary art is not about,

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not always about the aesthetics.

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It\'s about the people who
try to step over a line

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or a threshold.

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It\'s people struggling for
their own sort of identity.

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Even if plants are in decay,

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I know how beautiful they
were when they were in flower.

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But I think if you see
them this time of the year,

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you don\'t expect anything
else than plants dying.

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And still looking good.

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If you look at this, the aster
going into this Artemisia.

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It\'s a landscape that you would dream of,

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but will never find in the wild.

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Always have the idea
the longer you are here,

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the more you see.

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And the more you feel.

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And when you come in, you
think it\'s all gone, you know?

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I think you need to put
yourself on a certain wavelength

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to feel more than what you first see.

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This is great, huh?

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It\'s a beautiful shape.

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The way they teach gardening,
it was all about flowers.

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And color was one of the
most important things.

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Then I started to look at plants

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that had the real character,

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plants that had great seed heads,

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plants that had, for instance,
this beautiful brown color

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next to this blonde
color of the sporobolis.

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Or the pycnanthemum, the seed head.

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So the gray, the brown and the blondes,

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they became as important

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as all the other colors in gardening.

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It\'s always a little bit confusing for me

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when people use terms like the Dutch Wave,

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the New Perennial Movement,
New German Movement.

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It\'s about what I like, you know?

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It\'s not about that other people like.

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Plants were characters
I could compose with

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and put on stage.

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And that is what I do,
I put plants on stage.

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And I let them perform.

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And I know that a lot of
people love these plants.

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They put them in gardens in their own way

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and sometimes it looks good,
sometimes it looks bad.

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And that\'s what it is.

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Let\'s say everyone can make a good picture

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of a bad garden, no?

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Because it\'s all about light and moment.

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But it\'s hard to make a
garden that looks good

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even if the light is bad.

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I think that\'s where I aim
for sometimes, you know?

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Getting things right for bad moments.

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It\'s good, huh?

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Huh?

00:26:07.542 --> 00:26:08.958
When I was five years old,

00:26:08.959 --> 00:26:11.499
we moved to a sort of more rural area

00:26:11.500 --> 00:26:14.000
where my parents had a bar and restaurant.

00:26:15.542 --> 00:26:18.208
And my father was
entertaining the customers.

00:26:19.166 --> 00:26:20.750
And my mother was in the bar.

00:26:21.667 --> 00:26:25.541
I was hanging around looking
and watching the scenes.

00:26:25.542 --> 00:26:28.374
They were so busy that
there was no time for

00:26:28.375 --> 00:26:30.165
real family life.

00:26:30.166 --> 00:26:32.291
I think that\'s where I learned to observe.

00:26:33.375 --> 00:26:35.499
And that\'s where I mainly grew up

00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:37.499
and stayed until I was 25

00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:40.041
and moved to the city
of Haarlem with Anja.

00:26:43.208 --> 00:26:46.417
I wanted to escape my career
at my parents\' restaurant.

00:26:47.333 --> 00:26:48.291
- Yeah, I remember that.

00:26:48.292 --> 00:26:52.416
He was not so happy in
his job for the future.

00:26:52.417 --> 00:26:54.707
I said, \"It\'s never
too late to change it.\"

00:26:54.708 --> 00:26:56.874
- Anja earned the money at that time.

00:26:56.875 --> 00:26:58.165
She always supported me.

00:26:58.166 --> 00:27:03.166
And I could just try out
things, in the fish industry,

00:27:03.458 --> 00:27:06.875
and then I went to a factory
and different little jobs.

00:27:07.875 --> 00:27:11.040
And it took quite a while,
and then came one day

00:27:11.041 --> 00:27:13.125
when I started to work in a garden center.

00:27:14.625 --> 00:27:15.791
And luckily it worked,

00:27:15.792 --> 00:27:19.208
because it was the last
thing I ever thought of.

00:27:22.208 --> 00:27:23.874
I always had the idea
that I wanted to create,

00:27:23.875 --> 00:27:25.041
but I didn\'t know what.

00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:28.916
Always had a strong feeling

00:27:28.917 --> 00:27:31.249
that I could do something different,

00:27:31.250 --> 00:27:32.708
different from what I knew.

00:27:34.458 --> 00:27:38.708
And I think that was
solved when I met plants.

00:28:12.458 --> 00:28:14.417
Very pretty…

00:28:15.208 --> 00:28:17.625
Yes, super.

00:28:21.792 --> 00:28:25.791
They do something to you right? Plants?
It\'s incredible.

00:28:25.792 --> 00:28:28.958
- This is one of the
prettier ones, I think.

00:28:28.959 --> 00:28:31.207
What do you think Piet?

00:28:31.208 --> 00:28:33.582
- Fantastic. I think they’re all beautiful.

00:28:33.583 --> 00:28:36.041
- No, but you can have your favorite.

00:28:51.458 --> 00:28:52.624
- You have chosen the best day!

00:28:52.625 --> 00:28:53.749
- Absolutely.

00:28:53.750 --> 00:28:56.207
- Yes, that’s because I’m here!

00:28:56.208 --> 00:28:59.959
Piet is always lucky when I’m with him.

00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:16.750
- It\'s nice to see that.

00:29:25.583 --> 00:29:27.500
It\'s also winter, huh?

00:29:42.041 --> 00:29:43.833
- We’ve seen everything you’ve done…

00:29:43.834 --> 00:29:47.750
the High Line… Chicago,
so beautiful too.

00:29:48.542 --> 00:29:50.417
- Amazing what you can
achieve in your life.

00:29:51.959 --> 00:29:53.542
But it takes time!

00:29:53.792 --> 00:29:55.041
Anja?

00:29:56.708 --> 00:29:59.083
She is the big force…

00:29:59.250 --> 00:30:01.332
- Hello! We used to visit your nursery.

00:30:01.333 --> 00:30:02.291
- Hello…

00:30:02.292 --> 00:30:05.165
- She is the big force behind me,
as you can imagine…

00:30:05.166 --> 00:30:07.917
- It’s a beautiful day, isn’t it?

00:30:38.291 --> 00:30:40.958
- Yeah, this is about the end.

00:30:40.959 --> 00:30:44.792
So we\'re cutting it back
this week or next week.

00:30:46.959 --> 00:30:49.249
You even have to have the courage

00:30:49.250 --> 00:30:50.875
to cut into the beauty of it.

00:30:57.708 --> 00:30:58.708
You can see what I mean,

00:30:58.709 --> 00:31:03.708
that this still has so much to say to you.

00:31:07.792 --> 00:31:10.332
And life is about birth, life and death.

00:31:10.333 --> 00:31:12.291
So that is the garden as well.

00:31:14.291 --> 00:31:18.040
It\'s like what we do in our whole lifespan

00:31:18.041 --> 00:31:20.207
happens here in one year.

00:31:20.208 --> 00:31:22.124
And I think that works on your,

00:31:22.125 --> 00:31:23.875
yeah, on your soul in a way.

00:31:28.083 --> 00:31:30.500
I consider my own life, if I say, I\'m 71.

00:31:31.458 --> 00:31:34.542
Let\'s say it\'s a little bit into the fall.

00:31:36.458 --> 00:31:38.959
Maybe in the garden, it\'s
the most beautiful time.

00:31:40.041 --> 00:31:41.999
But for your own life, of
course, the beauty is still there

00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.457
and you have the experience
and you look different.

00:31:45.458 --> 00:31:48.583
But you know for yourself that it\'s, yeah.

00:31:50.834 --> 00:31:52.290
I won\'t come back, you know?

00:31:52.291 --> 00:31:53.291
And they will.

00:32:00.291 --> 00:32:02.458
Yeah, it\'s not September anymore.

00:34:47.250 --> 00:34:49.542
This is Iowa, Council Bluffs.

00:34:53.583 --> 00:34:56.290
This area has six different basic grasses.

00:34:56.291 --> 00:34:58.458
You see sporobolis,
sporobolis, sporobolis.

00:35:00.417 --> 00:35:01.749
Molinia, molinia, molinia.

00:35:01.750 --> 00:35:04.707
You create a sense of never-ending lines

00:35:04.708 --> 00:35:06.791
at different perspectives.

00:35:06.792 --> 00:35:10.582
And then on top of that,
you create something that,

00:35:10.583 --> 00:35:12.624
when it\'s ready, you don\'t notice

00:35:12.625 --> 00:35:14.791
the basic planting anymore, the grass.

00:35:14.792 --> 00:35:17.749
And all these little
plants emerge from that

00:35:17.750 --> 00:35:21.374
so-called spontaneously,
but they\'re put in place,

00:35:21.375 --> 00:35:25.124
so here and here and here and here.

00:35:25.125 --> 00:35:27.958
So you create a feel of a meadow.

00:35:27.959 --> 00:35:30.207
A little bit surrealistic,
not a real meadow,

00:35:30.208 --> 00:35:32.541
but something that reminds
you very strongly of it,

00:35:32.542 --> 00:35:34.959
but with plants you would
never find in a meadow.

00:35:38.750 --> 00:35:40.416
- I\'ve always seen the work of Piet Oudolf

00:35:40.417 --> 00:35:44.749
as a very big resistance
against ecological extinctions.

00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:48.082
If we talk about climate change,
people just don\'t wake up.

00:35:48.083 --> 00:35:51.457
It\'s only when we actually
use this word of extinction

00:35:51.458 --> 00:35:54.916
that people actually do realize
species are disappearing,

00:35:54.917 --> 00:35:57.124
from bees to centipedes.

00:35:57.125 --> 00:36:00.500
And, of course, many,
many species of plants.

00:36:01.542 --> 00:36:05.624
So if we look at the incredible
multiplicity of plants

00:36:05.625 --> 00:36:09.082
Piet Oudolf has been using in his gardens,

00:36:09.083 --> 00:36:12.666
it\'s not only a celebration
of the beauty of plants,

00:36:12.667 --> 00:36:15.707
but it is also the sheer
diversity of plant species.

00:36:15.708 --> 00:36:17.916
I think that is a wonderful statement

00:36:17.917 --> 00:36:20.834
to protest against this
notion of extinctions.

00:36:22.125 --> 00:36:24.374
- In that sense, you could
say my work is political

00:36:24.375 --> 00:36:26.124
because we live in a
time that the environment

00:36:26.125 --> 00:36:28.833
is on pressure.

00:36:28.834 --> 00:36:31.541
And maybe that\'s why it is wanted so much,

00:36:31.542 --> 00:36:34.041
that it connects you with
an idea of wilderness.

00:36:35.417 --> 00:36:38.374
It all has to do with today\'s public space

00:36:38.375 --> 00:36:40.290
and how it will work on people\'s minds

00:36:40.291 --> 00:36:42.375
concerning the time we live in.

00:36:44.041 --> 00:36:47.332
That they realize that
life is not just about

00:36:47.333 --> 00:36:50.165
driving your car and going
to work back and forth,

00:36:50.166 --> 00:36:55.166
and work \'til death, and
then the next generation.

00:36:57.083 --> 00:36:59.375
But if it will save the
world, I don\'t know.

00:37:02.250 --> 00:37:03.875
At least it saves me.

00:38:48.458 --> 00:38:50.291
The soil was really awful, yeah?

00:38:51.125 --> 00:38:51.959
- It\'s awful, yes.

00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.040
Luckily, the soil in the beds is now good.

00:38:55.041 --> 00:38:56.416
- Very good, huh?
- It\'s good.

00:38:56.417 --> 00:38:58.791
- [Piet] Okay, we have enough
plants per square meter?

00:38:58.792 --> 00:39:00.416
- Yes, we have.
- Oh, yeah.

00:39:00.417 --> 00:39:01.666
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- I mean,

00:39:01.667 --> 00:39:02.500
I can see in some areas, you want,

00:39:02.501 --> 00:39:04.749
in this bed, you want
the plants more spaced.

00:39:04.750 --> 00:39:05.583
- [Piet] Is that true?

00:39:05.584 --> 00:39:08.249
- [Chris] In that area,
they\'re much closer together.

00:39:08.250 --> 00:39:12.082
- [Piet] Okay, yeah, but that\'s
an artistic interpretation.

00:39:12.083 --> 00:39:12.917
Okay.

00:39:12.918 --> 00:39:14.417
- That\'s permitted.
- No, no, it\'s,

00:39:16.208 --> 00:39:17.416
I know what you mean, you know?

00:39:17.417 --> 00:39:18.666
But the dots don\'t make any sense.

00:39:18.667 --> 00:39:22.040
It\'s just a drawing.
- Okay.

00:39:22.041 --> 00:39:23.666
- It\'s just to fill in the other space.

00:39:23.667 --> 00:39:25.749
It saves me a lot of labor.

00:39:25.750 --> 00:39:26.833
That\'s why I\'m here.

00:39:26.834 --> 00:39:28.707
I can solve problems in one minute

00:39:28.708 --> 00:39:32.083
which you can\'t solve
from the Netherlands.

00:39:33.875 --> 00:39:35.874
What I would like to see is that we,

00:39:35.875 --> 00:39:39.791
this is the Amsonia, three.

00:39:39.792 --> 00:39:43.791
Maybe we move this a little bit closer.

00:39:43.792 --> 00:39:46.082
- Yeah, into the group...

00:39:46.083 --> 00:39:48.916
- Into the group, because we, I want,

00:39:48.917 --> 00:39:51.707
between the individual plants
and all the little groups,

00:39:51.708 --> 00:39:54.582
I need space for the
sporobolis to move through.

00:39:54.583 --> 00:39:56.041
- [Toby] Go through the gaps.

00:39:58.458 --> 00:40:02.082
- Keep an eye on how it will
compete with the neighbor.

00:40:02.083 --> 00:40:05.582
Because in two years\' time,
you\'ll have just one big mass.

00:40:05.583 --> 00:40:07.916
Yeah.
- Yeah.

00:40:07.917 --> 00:40:09.416
- Yeah, that looks good.

00:40:09.417 --> 00:40:10.958
- A mass, not a mess.

00:40:10.959 --> 00:40:11.959
- A mass.

00:40:12.625 --> 00:40:14.667
- A mass, not a mess.
- M, A, double S.

00:40:16.542 --> 00:40:17.791
Not M-E-S-S.

00:40:17.792 --> 00:40:20.083
- [Chris] M-E-S-S is what we don\'t want.

00:40:21.208 --> 00:40:23.875
M-A-S-S is okay.
- Okay.

00:40:24.750 --> 00:40:26.457
This is aster?

00:40:26.458 --> 00:40:28.999
- This is herveyi.
- Yeah, macrophyllus.

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.165
Twilight, yeah.
- Yep.

00:40:31.166 --> 00:40:34.082
And then we\'ve got Firedance.
- Oh, that\'s good.

00:40:34.083 --> 00:40:36.834
Yeah, yeah.
- And Aster ambulatas.

00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:41.791
- Chris?
- Yes?

00:40:41.792 --> 00:40:44.040
- [Piet] Just noticed
that here we have Aruncus.

00:40:44.041 --> 00:40:45.916
And it\'s on that corner as well.

00:40:45.917 --> 00:40:46.750
- [Chris] Okay.

00:40:46.751 --> 00:40:49.207
- [Piet] You see this
one is there as well.

00:40:49.208 --> 00:40:51.416
So let\'s put Transparent in here.

00:40:51.417 --> 00:40:53.541
- So that we don\'t have...
- Yeah, just change the two.

00:40:53.542 --> 00:40:55.124
- So you don\'t want those on either side.

00:40:55.125 --> 00:40:56.624
- [Piet] No, no, that is always, when you,

00:40:56.625 --> 00:40:58.958
on paper, it all looks simple.

00:40:58.959 --> 00:40:59.999
- Yeah, yeah.

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.000
I\'ll do that now.

00:41:24.417 --> 00:41:26.040
- [Lulu] Do you want to plant one, Piet?

00:41:26.041 --> 00:41:27.958
- What?
- Do want to plant one?

00:41:27.959 --> 00:41:29.375
- No, tomorrow morning.

00:41:31.166 --> 00:41:33.040
- Okay, all right.

00:41:33.041 --> 00:41:35.874
- Tell me when you come, I will
have done one before, yeah.

00:41:35.875 --> 00:41:37.959
I could do it, if you want me.

00:41:39.250 --> 00:41:40.250
Okay.

00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:44.166
Still know how to do it.

00:41:47.667 --> 00:41:49.332
My whole life I made my hands dirty

00:41:49.333 --> 00:41:50.959
to not get them dirty later.

00:42:04.291 --> 00:42:05.667
Look at these Magnolias.

00:42:11.166 --> 00:42:12.000
No, 14 days.

00:42:12.001 --> 00:42:15.000
- 14 days?
- But now look at this one.

00:42:15.834 --> 00:42:16.667
You can\'t tell, you know?

00:42:16.668 --> 00:42:17.917
It could be next week.

00:42:20.375 --> 00:42:22.207
But you see once you\'ve cut it back,

00:42:22.208 --> 00:42:23.916
you see repetition of plants.

00:42:23.917 --> 00:42:25.374
You see the interaction.

00:42:25.375 --> 00:42:26.999
- You really see where
the grass tufts are,

00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.958
where the perennial stems are.

00:42:28.959 --> 00:42:32.040
- The sort of pattern.
- The patterns, yeah.

00:42:32.041 --> 00:42:34.959
It\'s the one moment I feel
like you really see the design.

00:42:42.625 --> 00:42:45.624
- And it\'s very little,
and it accelerates.

00:42:45.625 --> 00:42:48.458
It goes so quick that
tomorrow it\'s different.

00:43:19.792 --> 00:43:20.792
You see, it\'s not much.

00:43:20.793 --> 00:43:23.374
It\'s just a shrub here
and a few flowers there,

00:43:23.375 --> 00:43:25.374
but that\'s it, that\'s all.

00:43:25.375 --> 00:43:27.208
But it\'s all you need.

00:44:00.917 --> 00:44:01.999
Look at this.

00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.083
Unbelievable.

00:44:06.542 --> 00:44:07.834
It\'s just like paintings.

00:44:08.667 --> 00:44:10.458
It\'s crazy, look at this.

00:44:12.458 --> 00:44:16.625
This is too much for people like me.

00:44:24.083 --> 00:44:27.000
I want to take some pictures here.

00:45:10.792 --> 00:45:12.833
Okay, look at this.

00:45:12.834 --> 00:45:13.834
Spring is spring.

00:45:13.835 --> 00:45:15.290
And it feels like spring here,

00:45:15.291 --> 00:45:17.332
and it feels like spring in Holland,

00:45:17.333 --> 00:45:19.457
but this is so over the top.

00:45:19.458 --> 00:45:22.416
It seems as if everything
is happening at one time,

00:45:22.417 --> 00:45:24.457
within one month.

00:45:24.458 --> 00:45:28.416
While in our climate,
everything happens two, three,

00:45:28.417 --> 00:45:29.458
four seasons.

00:45:31.667 --> 00:45:32.500
It\'s amazing.

00:45:32.501 --> 00:45:35.082
- Three people.
- It\'s a traffic jam.

00:45:35.083 --> 00:45:36.083
- They\'re like me.

00:46:00.458 --> 00:46:01.458
Beautiful.

00:46:03.083 --> 00:46:06.208
There\'s only one word.

00:46:09.417 --> 00:46:11.707
Looking at landscapes and the beauty of it

00:46:11.708 --> 00:46:15.958
makes it sort of clear what
you\'re doing in your own job.

00:46:15.959 --> 00:46:17.999
Creating a certain beauty or depth

00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:19.500
that people would love to see.

00:46:20.875 --> 00:46:24.124
You load yourself up with beauty,

00:46:24.125 --> 00:46:26.208
and you transform that in your work.

00:46:27.875 --> 00:46:29.916
So there\'s always
something you can pick out,

00:46:29.917 --> 00:46:33.041
a combination in different characters or,

00:46:35.875 --> 00:46:39.667
but for me, it\'s loading up
the batteries for a new season.

00:47:22.583 --> 00:47:26.000
- [Man] I want to get a couple pork ribs.

00:47:27.417 --> 00:47:29.666
- [Piet] I\'ve never seen this.

00:47:29.667 --> 00:47:30.792
- [Man] Anything else?

00:47:37.417 --> 00:47:39.000
- [Liz] What do you think, Piet?

00:47:39.834 --> 00:47:42.083
- [Piet] Completely insane.

00:47:42.959 --> 00:47:44.583
No other word.

00:47:49.250 --> 00:47:52.165
- [Piet] I love to see it, you
know? I don\'t need to eat it,

00:47:52.166 --> 00:47:55.959
but it\'s great to see how the world works.

00:48:00.291 --> 00:48:02.999
- But, it\'s an experience.

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:07.250
So we take it in and we
take it with us to Holland.

00:48:33.750 --> 00:48:37.750
- When you come in autumn,
it\'s all about brown.

00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:41.208
And in the spring, it\'s all green.

00:48:42.750 --> 00:48:44.041
I think that\'s nice though.

00:48:46.208 --> 00:48:49.083
I don\'t think you need more
in this time of the year.

00:48:53.625 --> 00:48:55.582
I think if you would see
the whole garden in flower,

00:48:55.583 --> 00:48:58.417
it would work not right in your mind.

00:49:03.083 --> 00:49:05.666
If you look around you in
nature or in the fields,

00:49:05.667 --> 00:49:07.125
it\'s all about the beginning.

00:49:14.708 --> 00:49:16.791
Of course, you see the
plants you\'ve seen last year,

00:49:16.792 --> 00:49:19.834
but it\'s already a year
ago that you saw them.

00:49:23.125 --> 00:49:24.916
If you see plants as good friends,

00:49:24.917 --> 00:49:27.457
then you see your friends
back after a year,

00:49:27.458 --> 00:49:30.083
in a sort of glorious situation.

00:49:36.708 --> 00:49:39.165
So you know when you leave the
garden tonight that tomorrow,

00:49:39.166 --> 00:49:41.458
there will be something new in bloom,

00:49:42.625 --> 00:49:44.875
like that poppy over there.

00:49:54.041 --> 00:49:55.041
Yep.

00:50:47.959 --> 00:50:49.374
It smells good here, Roy.

00:50:49.375 --> 00:50:50.375
- [Roy] Uh huh.

00:50:51.500 --> 00:50:53.000
Yeah, it\'s fresh isn\'t it?

00:50:56.458 --> 00:50:57.291
- [Piet] What is this, Roy?

00:50:57.292 --> 00:50:58.458
I don\'t know that.
- No?

00:50:59.291 --> 00:51:00.624
Ragweed.

00:51:00.625 --> 00:51:02.040
- It\'s a weed?
- Yeah.

00:51:02.041 --> 00:51:03.207
- A beautiful one.
- Well, actually it\'s native.

00:51:03.208 --> 00:51:05.165
This lady wanted her whole garden

00:51:05.166 --> 00:51:06.457
to be planted in native plants.

00:51:06.458 --> 00:51:08.082
And I asked her why?
- Yeah?

00:51:08.083 --> 00:51:09.374
- She says, \"Well, I hear native plants

00:51:09.375 --> 00:51:12.791
\"are more beneficial to
everything, more productive.\"

00:51:12.792 --> 00:51:16.582
And I said, \"Okay can I do your
whole backyard in ambrosia?\"

00:51:16.583 --> 00:51:17.791
- Oh, ambrosia.
- She goes, \"Oh, ambrosia?

00:51:17.792 --> 00:51:18.792
\"That sounds beautiful.\"

00:51:18.793 --> 00:51:20.040
She didn\'t know what it was.

00:51:20.041 --> 00:51:21.582
And I said, \"You just gave me permission

00:51:21.583 --> 00:51:23.499
\"to plant your whole backyard in ragweed.\"

00:51:23.500 --> 00:51:24.541
- [Piet] Yeah, okay.

00:51:24.542 --> 00:51:26.124
- I said, \"It\'s native.\"

00:51:26.125 --> 00:51:29.666
Everybody rushes into quick
judgment, native or non-native.

00:51:29.667 --> 00:51:31.541
- But that\'s a left or right discussion.

00:51:31.542 --> 00:51:32.582
- [Roy] Right.

00:51:32.583 --> 00:51:33.417
- There\'s nothing in the middle.

00:51:33.417 --> 00:51:34.250
- [Roy] No.

00:51:34.251 --> 00:51:35.624
- I think if a plant behaves well,

00:51:35.625 --> 00:51:39.457
it could be in the community
as well as a native.

00:51:39.458 --> 00:51:41.624
Like in our society, you know?

00:51:41.625 --> 00:51:43.666
People come from all places.

00:51:43.667 --> 00:51:45.874
And we love them because they behave.

00:51:45.875 --> 00:51:48.791
And if they don\'t behave, we
set them out of the community.

00:51:48.792 --> 00:51:49.792
- Right.

00:51:51.208 --> 00:51:52.916
- [Piet] When was the
first time I came here?

00:51:52.917 --> 00:51:53.917
- June, 2002.

00:51:55.458 --> 00:51:56.707
- 2002, okay.
- It was mid-June.

00:51:56.708 --> 00:51:58.457
- 12 years ago.
- Yeah, mid-June.

00:51:58.458 --> 00:51:59.333
- Okay, yeah.

00:51:59.334 --> 00:52:02.874
I was amazed, I\'d never seen the prairies.

00:52:02.875 --> 00:52:05.833
- [Roy] I think the highlight
was when you saw the Baptisia.

00:52:05.834 --> 00:52:06.667
- And I see it already.
- And you can see it.

00:52:06.668 --> 00:52:09.125
Yeah, you can see it.
- Unbelievable.

00:52:12.208 --> 00:52:15.040
Can you see that we travel
over the ocean to see this?

00:52:15.041 --> 00:52:20.041
- [Roy] Right. (laughs)

00:52:23.542 --> 00:52:25.124
- Even if there\'s nothing in flower,

00:52:25.125 --> 00:52:28.124
you can try to read the
pattern of landscape.

00:52:28.125 --> 00:52:29.916
This Baptisia, which is a lower one,

00:52:29.917 --> 00:52:31.499
flowered maybe a month ago.

00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:34.374
So that\'s over, but the
shrubby form is still there.

00:52:34.375 --> 00:52:36.624
And the contrast with
the gray and the green,

00:52:36.625 --> 00:52:38.500
is beautiful.
- It\'s too nice, yeah.

00:52:41.500 --> 00:52:44.208
- [Piet] But I\'m amazed by
the variety of plants here.

00:52:46.834 --> 00:52:48.499
- [Roy] When you talk about community...

00:52:48.500 --> 00:52:50.207
- Yeah.
- A strong healthy community...

00:52:50.208 --> 00:52:52.250
- It takes care of itself.
- Yeah, yeah.

00:53:17.333 --> 00:53:19.707
- If I ask myself has it influenced me?

00:53:19.708 --> 00:53:21.791
I think, oh, God, this is good, you know?

00:53:21.792 --> 00:53:22.792
Look at the big leaves.

00:53:22.793 --> 00:53:25.249
Oh, that could be terrific, you know?

00:53:25.250 --> 00:53:26.917
Just one or three in the garden.

00:53:30.125 --> 00:53:33.458
Seeing this and trying to
invoke the same feeling,

00:53:34.542 --> 00:53:36.290
I think that\'s what it
is, that is all my life.

00:53:36.291 --> 00:53:38.500
That is my life, yeah.

00:53:40.834 --> 00:53:43.458
- [Roy] I was looked at
as somebody very unusual.

00:53:44.500 --> 00:53:45.749
I was growing native plants.

00:53:45.750 --> 00:53:47.499
- [Piet] You grow them,
but nobody bought them.

00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:48.749
- Well, nobody was that interested.

00:53:48.750 --> 00:53:51.165
But then when I worked with
you on the Lurie Garden,

00:53:51.166 --> 00:53:53.749
all these plants I never
dreamed would get anywhere,

00:53:53.750 --> 00:53:56.582
or move out of the
nursery in great numbers.

00:53:56.583 --> 00:53:59.208
Now they\'re on Michigan Avenue in Chicago.

00:54:27.834 --> 00:54:30.542
- [Piet] And now we have to
decide what we do in here.

00:54:32.458 --> 00:54:36.290
So we make this Panicum
Dallas Blues as well.

00:54:36.291 --> 00:54:37.791
- So we want it in here?

00:54:37.792 --> 00:54:39.624
- A little bit instead of the Monarda,

00:54:39.625 --> 00:54:41.249
because the group is rather big.

00:54:41.250 --> 00:54:43.374
So if we take some out and put the...

00:54:43.375 --> 00:54:47.708
- Yeah, we don\'t like that.
- And we do a, let\'s say 15?

00:54:50.500 --> 00:54:51.791
It\'s a good number?

00:54:51.792 --> 00:54:53.959
- 18?
- Make it 18.

00:54:57.291 --> 00:55:00.208
Look at this, the perovksya
with the black onion.

00:55:01.375 --> 00:55:03.500
It\'s the combination sometimes.

00:55:07.208 --> 00:55:09.750
Huh?

00:55:19.917 --> 00:55:21.875
It\'s not a miracle, but almost, huh?

00:55:23.333 --> 00:55:25.165
- [Jennifer] 15 years ago, it was just a...

00:55:25.166 --> 00:55:27.125
- [Piet] Just a parking deck.

00:56:06.500 --> 00:56:08.541
Lurie was my first attempt to do

00:56:08.542 --> 00:56:11.708
a sort of pure
natural-looking, wild planting.

00:56:13.792 --> 00:56:18.208
A planting that you couldn\'t
control, only could conduct.

00:56:32.875 --> 00:56:33.958
The Lurie Garden, for me,

00:56:33.959 --> 00:56:35.959
certainly was the start of new ideas.

00:56:37.625 --> 00:56:40.458
But I would never have thought
about working in New York.

00:56:41.291 --> 00:56:45.041
I started in 2001, on the Battery Gardens.

00:56:48.250 --> 00:56:51.125
And I thought that was my
first and last job in New York.

00:56:52.166 --> 00:56:54.667
And then, this came up.

00:56:56.250 --> 00:56:59.165
If you imagine, when we came here in 2004

00:56:59.166 --> 00:57:02.583
and I saw it for the
first time, I was lost.

00:57:07.875 --> 00:57:10.417
From the beginning, the
idea was to keep it wild,

00:57:11.625 --> 00:57:14.457
which was impossible.

00:57:14.458 --> 00:57:17.165
But suddenly, I thought of the Lurie,

00:57:17.166 --> 00:57:18.999
and that became the inspiration

00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.083
for the whole narrative of the High Line.

00:57:24.208 --> 00:57:26.249
- You had carved out a reputation

00:57:26.250 --> 00:57:30.374
for a totally new way of thinking
about how to do planting,

00:57:30.375 --> 00:57:34.749
and how to do horticultural
in the context of the city.

00:57:34.750 --> 00:57:37.082
- Your story, or your script,

00:57:37.083 --> 00:57:40.916
really described the emotion
and the feeling you had

00:57:40.917 --> 00:57:42.499
when you walked through it.

00:57:42.500 --> 00:57:45.541
That brought up for me a palette
of plants that I could use,

00:57:45.542 --> 00:57:50.291
and I said, \"This feeling, or
scent, I need these plants.\"

00:57:54.792 --> 00:57:57.040
Afterwards, it\'s nine years after,

00:57:57.041 --> 00:58:00.250
I can say it\'s a turning point
in my thinking of planting.

00:58:03.333 --> 00:58:04.916
And it\'s not,

00:58:04.917 --> 00:58:06.750
I did it, but you forced it.

00:58:10.250 --> 00:58:12.999
- [James] And that\'s where
your knowledge of the medium

00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.749
in a way that only the
most experienced painter

00:58:15.750 --> 00:58:18.874
knows that pigment, and only
the most experienced chef

00:58:18.875 --> 00:58:20.624
knows their ingredients,

00:58:20.625 --> 00:58:23.417
you know so many of these kinds of plants.

00:58:24.417 --> 00:58:26.207
You know what they do on their own.

00:58:26.208 --> 00:58:28.541
You know what they do in
combination with others.

00:58:28.542 --> 00:58:30.416
- I always say you could be a botanist

00:58:30.417 --> 00:58:33.082
and you know a lot about
how plants is built up.

00:58:33.083 --> 00:58:34.249
- Right.

00:58:34.250 --> 00:58:35.332
- You can be an ecologist,

00:58:35.333 --> 00:58:37.874
and you know exactly
what community it grows

00:58:37.875 --> 00:58:39.624
and where it grows in the world.

00:58:39.625 --> 00:58:41.916
And I\'m neither of that.

00:58:41.917 --> 00:58:44.290
I know a lot of plants
because I love plants.

00:58:44.291 --> 00:58:45.541
I know where they grow,

00:58:45.542 --> 00:58:48.082
because I love to see where they grow.

00:58:48.083 --> 00:58:50.791
But for me, it\'s what you say, the medium,

00:58:50.792 --> 00:58:53.707
plants as a medium, to
bring out an emotion,

00:58:53.708 --> 00:58:57.749
a very strong emotion into the field.

00:58:57.750 --> 00:58:59.499
That\'s why I took every opportunity

00:58:59.500 --> 00:59:01.666
to go outside the private garden.

00:59:01.667 --> 00:59:03.750
If I like it, everyone will like it.

00:59:04.792 --> 00:59:07.166
That is really what I always thought.

00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.040
And I thought if I do what
I do only for two people,

00:59:12.041 --> 00:59:13.416
that\'s too little.

00:59:13.417 --> 00:59:15.208
- You\'ve never lacked in confidence.

00:59:17.792 --> 00:59:19.374
- At certain moments.

00:59:19.375 --> 00:59:20.874
At certain moments.

00:59:20.875 --> 00:59:21.958
- But that\'s art.

00:59:21.959 --> 00:59:25.249
Artists do that, painters, musicians.

00:59:25.250 --> 00:59:28.583
- Maybe.
- And now plantsmen.

00:59:54.333 --> 00:59:56.499
- But why have you never
shown these drawings

00:59:56.500 --> 00:59:57.582
the way they\'re shown here?

00:59:57.583 --> 00:59:59.833
- Never.
- Why not?

00:59:59.834 --> 01:00:01.999
- I have no idea.
- No one ever asked?

01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.124
- No one ever asked.

01:00:03.125 --> 01:00:05.707
I was surprised that you,
not really surprised,

01:00:05.708 --> 01:00:06.542
but when you said,

01:00:06.543 --> 01:00:08.791
\"We are doing the opening
with your drawings\",

01:00:08.792 --> 01:00:11.125
and I thought this is so beautiful.

01:00:12.834 --> 01:00:14.541
- [Iwan] I always thought your gardens,

01:00:14.542 --> 01:00:17.041
and your drawings, are very sexy.

01:00:18.125 --> 01:00:19.500
- I was in the past.

01:00:21.708 --> 01:00:24.291
- [Iwan] And they are very
elegant at the same time.

01:00:25.667 --> 01:00:27.416
It\'s very generous also.

01:00:27.417 --> 01:00:29.582
It\'s very generous for you to
share all this information,

01:00:29.583 --> 01:00:32.082
to have people have a
look into your thinking.

01:00:32.083 --> 01:00:34.040
- [Piet] Yeah, I think that
is what I like to make clear,

01:00:34.041 --> 01:00:36.416
that you can show the process.

01:00:36.417 --> 01:00:38.582
- [Iwan] It\'s very much
a work in progress too.

01:00:38.583 --> 01:00:40.499
Like it\'s not written in stone.

01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:42.332
You add things, you\'re very flexible.

01:00:42.333 --> 01:00:44.249
- [Piet] Because I never want to finish it

01:00:44.250 --> 01:00:45.374
before it\'s finished.
- No.

01:00:45.375 --> 01:00:47.541
But I think that makes you an artist.

01:00:47.542 --> 01:00:48.375
You see?
- Yeah.

01:00:48.376 --> 01:00:51.624
- I think that\'s the difference,
because you never close.

01:00:51.625 --> 01:00:52.667
You\'re always open.

01:00:56.667 --> 01:00:57.874
- [Piet] And here\'s Durslade.

01:00:57.875 --> 01:01:01.124
- [Iwan] And then three
meters out, you can see it.

01:01:01.125 --> 01:01:02.749
- [Piet] Yeah, if you see the garden,

01:01:02.750 --> 01:01:03.874
you would think it\'s easy.

01:01:03.875 --> 01:01:05.416
And then when you see the drawing,

01:01:05.417 --> 01:01:07.208
you suddenly realize the complexity.

01:01:13.250 --> 01:01:15.124
- [Iwan] What I heard yesterday...

01:01:15.125 --> 01:01:15.959
- [Piet] Yeah.

01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:17.833
- [Iwan] Is that we have
some very rare plants here.

01:01:17.834 --> 01:01:18.667
- [Piet] Really?

01:01:18.668 --> 01:01:21.124
Yeah, but for me they\'re
probably not rare.

01:01:21.125 --> 01:01:21.959
- [Iwan] I\'ll show you.

01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.332
I\'ll point them out.
- Yeah?

01:01:23.333 --> 01:01:27.374
- [Iwan] Yeah, Mark told me
yesterday these are rare.

01:01:27.375 --> 01:01:28.666
- Which ones?
- These.

01:01:28.667 --> 01:01:29.874
- [Piet] Not the onions here, onions?

01:01:29.875 --> 01:01:32.332
- [Iwan] No, the onions, he
said they\'re very, they\'re new.

01:01:32.333 --> 01:01:34.707
- [Piet] I got them from
North America from a friend.

01:01:34.708 --> 01:01:36.749
And I used them because
they\'re more or less flowering

01:01:36.750 --> 01:01:37.791
for all summer.

01:01:37.792 --> 01:01:41.165
- But, for an art dealer,
I was here with collectors.

01:01:41.166 --> 01:01:44.499
And then Mark was saying,
\"These are very rare plants.\"

01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:46.416
And you can see the
collectors\' eyes lighting up,

01:01:46.417 --> 01:01:48.707
\"Ah, and which are the other rare plants?\"

01:01:48.708 --> 01:01:50.667
And then he said, \"Well,
this is a rare plant.\"

01:01:54.959 --> 01:01:57.374
- [Piet] There\'s no
subtleness in the first year.

01:01:57.375 --> 01:01:59.457
It\'s just, this is it.

01:01:59.458 --> 01:02:01.874
One is screaming, the other one is crying.

01:02:01.875 --> 01:02:04.457
- Yeah, that\'s, screaming
and crying, that\'s art.

01:02:04.458 --> 01:02:05.999
- [Piet] Yeah, this plant is just trying

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.958
to keep alive for next year.

01:02:07.959 --> 01:02:11.749
And this one is saying,
\"Here I am\", you know?

01:02:11.750 --> 01:02:15.083
- Yeah, screaming and crying.

01:02:17.417 --> 01:02:18.417
That\'s true.

01:02:23.875 --> 01:02:24.875
- [Piet] But there\'s so much to come.

01:02:24.876 --> 01:02:26.916
You see that has to come a flower.

01:02:26.917 --> 01:02:28.374
This has to come a flower.

01:02:28.375 --> 01:02:31.207
This has to grow up.
- Yeah, yeah.

01:02:31.208 --> 01:02:33.874
- These are 2.50, three meters tall.

01:02:33.875 --> 01:02:36.207
- Oh, really?
- Yeah, it\'s just starting.

01:02:36.208 --> 01:02:38.958
And you see, you see the
combination of the red one

01:02:38.959 --> 01:02:40.417
and the red flower?

01:02:41.667 --> 01:02:43.958
Yeah, I think I love it.
- I absolutely love it.

01:02:43.959 --> 01:02:45.833
- [Piet] It will even
look better in September.

01:02:45.834 --> 01:02:50.834
- Thank you, that\'s great.
- Yeah, thank you.

01:02:54.583 --> 01:02:57.333
(rain pattering)

01:03:43.792 --> 01:03:47.250
Yeah, so this is the most
flowerful part of the year.

01:03:53.834 --> 01:03:55.249
There\'s still a lot to come.

01:03:55.250 --> 01:03:59.250
All these litrams come into flower.

01:04:07.834 --> 01:04:12.834
When I really was young, we
lived near a nature preserve.

01:04:12.959 --> 01:04:14.791
And maybe we played
there when we were young,

01:04:14.792 --> 01:04:17.458
and we cycled through
the dunes to the sea.

01:04:18.333 --> 01:04:21.040
And maybe that had a sort
of impact on your mind

01:04:21.041 --> 01:04:23.874
without knowing that it came back later.

01:04:23.875 --> 01:04:26.082
Sometimes I thought that was it.

01:04:26.083 --> 01:04:29.083
Otherwise, I can\'t find a
reason why I like plants.

01:04:33.083 --> 01:04:36.416
Now I see it a little different.

01:04:36.417 --> 01:04:37.874
I see it as more that,

01:04:37.875 --> 01:04:40.041
something that I needed and I found it.

01:04:42.458 --> 01:04:44.417
But you didn\'t know that you needed it.

01:04:47.291 --> 01:04:49.999
But when you find it,
you go and work with it,

01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:54.417
and then I see you feel
that it\'s the right thing.

01:05:00.417 --> 01:05:03.917
But, sometimes I think
there are too many flowers.

01:05:06.834 --> 01:05:09.333
There are moments that
I long for the decay,

01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:12.500
that they turn into skeletons.

01:05:24.959 --> 01:05:27.291
But that is perception, huh?

01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.500
It\'s only my idea.

01:07:16.875 --> 01:07:20.124
- Friends, I\'m ecstatic
to be welcoming you all

01:07:20.125 --> 01:07:22.207
to the opening of Hauser & Wirth Somerset,

01:07:22.208 --> 01:07:25.542
or more locally known as Durslade Farm.

01:07:27.458 --> 01:07:29.958
Today, this team of dedicated people

01:07:29.959 --> 01:07:33.082
who have in the last three
years worked tirelessly

01:07:33.083 --> 01:07:36.500
deserve our utmost
admiration and applause.

01:07:41.125 --> 01:07:44.875
Piet Oudolf, he\'s one
of the great magicians.

01:07:46.750 --> 01:07:48.834
I have very little idea about gardening.

01:07:50.125 --> 01:07:52.625
But I know when I see a masterpiece.

01:07:53.875 --> 01:07:58.457
And dear Piet, what you\'ve
created for us, for Bruton,

01:07:58.458 --> 01:07:59.999
is a masterpiece.

01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.457
And I want to thank you so
much for this collaboration.

01:08:03.458 --> 01:08:04.750
Thank you, Piet.

01:10:09.083 --> 01:10:12.458
- Beauty is in so many
things you wouldn\'t think of.

01:10:13.875 --> 01:10:16.040
And I think this sort
of struggle about beauty

01:10:16.041 --> 01:10:18.166
and no beauty, I think that\'s what I like.

01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.749
That seeing beauty in
ugliness, or beauty in death,

01:10:25.750 --> 01:10:28.834
beauty in decay, beauty in the unexpected.

01:10:30.250 --> 01:10:31.792
I think that is part of my life too.

01:10:32.750 --> 01:10:35.249
What I try to create in the
gardens is, of course, beauty.

01:10:35.250 --> 01:10:39.290
But the moment you say that
I love plants that are dead,

01:10:39.291 --> 01:10:40.125
then you have a problem,

01:10:40.126 --> 01:10:41.959
because people don\'t like dead plants.

01:10:44.500 --> 01:10:47.374
I think it\'s the journey in your life

01:10:47.375 --> 01:10:49.874
to find out what real
beauty is, of course,

01:10:49.875 --> 01:10:53.124
but also discover beauty
in things that are,

01:10:53.125 --> 01:10:55.834
at first sight, not beautiful.