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I’m rolling. Go ahead. Okay. I’m right.

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Is there any (inaudible) back there? No!

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We need some room! Gotta a
piece of paper (inaudible).

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Who is there?

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[sil.]

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The way I look at it is always
within a context that is,

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student power in itself isn’t a
conservative or a radical demand.

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Student power thing I look at in context of it being
a means to get something that we’re trying to do

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that uh… this has brought up in the
context of being able to keep teachers

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that we think are adding good things
to this university community.

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This is not about a failure of
communication. This is about

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an analysis of a whole system. This is
a critique of a corporate structure of

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the university. One thing on the
failure to communicate that I think,

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we ought to make clear, is that we
don’t to fail to communicate the idea

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that what we have here is a
critique of the university. Uh…

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Consequently, we ought to
develop a critique and

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communicate it to the best of our ability. All these
should come out, but can’t current with this,

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I think there should be some type of group
action. I don’t think the idea of just

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sitting here all the time and talking.
Tomorrow, January 31st, Edward Hall,

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Room 209. Failure to appear will
in itself be additional ground

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for disciplinary action. Could you
identify yourself? What is your name, Sir?

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I’m Mr. Turkington, the dean of students’ office.
Is the dean here tonight, Sir? No, he isn’t.

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Who’s have to be served on the
students’ individual event?

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Pardon me? Will students names have to appear
on these summonses? Any student who uh…

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wishes his name or who we identify, we will give a
summons. You expect the students to give you their names?

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Uh… Most of them have chosen not to do so. I see.
Well, how do you plan to serve these summonses?

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We’re serving the summonses on those students
who are here, who have not responded to the uh…

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statement of the university and whom we recognize are known. Do
you plan any other action against the students here tonight?

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No, nothing I know of. I’m only… I’m
told to come here and make the statement

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and try to serve the summonses, that’s why I’m here. Why
now? Pardon me? (inaudible) earlier today and (inaudible)?

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I was asked to.

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Could you identify yourself to us? I’m Edward Turkington, the dean of
students’ office. How do you spell the last name? T-U-R-K-I-N-G-T-O-N.

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And what is that you’re advising the students
now? Telling them that they’re… Again,

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that they’re expected to leave the building.
Their presence here is disruptive.

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We are serving summonses to all students who remain in the
building, they’re gonna identify and they are to appear

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before the disciplinary committee tomorrow. If they
don’t appear before the committee, that in in of itself

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is ground to disciplinary action. Is there any time as
to how long these students can stay here? Pardon me?

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How long will the students be allowed here?
I have no idea.

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It’s arrived. This is Newsreel.

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[sil.]

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What were you doing? I was
working in a factory and it was…

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both of them were factory jobs. Did you ever get
to really talk to people women in the factory?

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Well, how did they react? I mean, people
knew that like… If you go into a factory,

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people will know that you’re a hippy. And
they’ll… And so they’ll sort of vaguely identify

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that was a student movement whether you are connected with
it or not. It was really… It really hit me that an education

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builds this barrier between yourself and the
people, because they don’t have that education,

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and you’re taught that, because you
have that, you know more than them.

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It’s fucked up. (inaudible)? No,
I don’t know anything like that.

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(inaudible) just the
personal fact (inaudible)…

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It means you can’t hear the people. It means you don’t
understand them. It means that when they say something to you,

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you don’t even hear it, you don’t listen to it, you automatically
think that it’s wrong that it’s just because… (inaudible).

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Yeah! (inaudible) yourself
that what education meant.

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I mean, that’s not necessarily what it means for everybody.
And, you know… I think that just about what education means.

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I think education is really a miseducation.

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And what she says about it being
established to make a barrier

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between you and other people
that are uneducated is true.

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Well then why are you expelled? Me,
personally? Yeah! Well, I don’t come…

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I didn’t come into the educational world uh… thinking
that I wanted to be alienated from my people.

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I came, because I wanted to
see just what education is,

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and learn as much about it as I can.

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And then the barrier that you spoke of,
I don’t feel with uneducated people,

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because I don’t click them out, because
I’m where they are. You see, my…

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my mind is always there, you see.

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It’s a totally different kind of thing. You’re saying the school itself
doesn’t have to be alienating, that it’s truly… But it is. The setup…

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The American society has setup
education to divide people.

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Well, initially I was into this civil rights
movement in high school. And I was into all things

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about the (inaudible) terrible, you know.
I mean, I was into it

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out of uh… a feeling that

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the things that I have been taught were not true and I
was angry about that, and I wanted them to be true.

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I wanted America to be the best country in the world. And I wanted
to be free and democratic. And then I found that it wasn’t,

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and that sort of pissed me off.
And… But, see,

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the only thing that ever
made me angry enough to be

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willing to risk anything
significant was that, I was being

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messed over because I was a woman.
There is a thing about Marlene Dixon,

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it was the only time that I was willing to risk anything to go far enough
so that I will be kicked out of school, so that I would lose anything

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was because I was particularly
been messed over.

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You know, if I can’t convince you that there’s significant,
you know, if you don’t have an experience in your life,

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that your long hair, that being able
to live the way that you want to,

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means that somehow you have to unite and support the
struggles of the people that are gonna be able to win

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anything significant for you, then I’m for
shit. Then I really don’t mean anything.

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Then why people we’ve really lost? You know, if
you haven’t ever been hassled by your long hair,

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if you haven’t ever been busted by the pigs,
if you haven’t ever needed anything to eat,

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if you haven’t ever felt that your education was
shit, if I can’t convince you that the something

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that you need that you
can’t win, through reform,

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through continuing this same sort of
self-interest notions, then there’s nothing

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that I have purpose in being radical. Then there’s
just nothing. It seemed to me the politics,

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in the sense is becoming the actual movement in itself
is becoming in a way a barrier keeping people apart.

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I mean, if you’re not giving
(inaudible) Black Panther Party,

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and I must admit, I don’t understand very much
about the Black Panther Party, and I don’t…

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When I come to school one day and read
on the news that there’s a gun battle,

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Fred Hampton is killed and then (inaudible) comes up said, that’s
where it happened, he was murdered by the pigs, it was bad.

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Okay, look, I get two different reports.

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You say don’t listen to what you’re taught. I’m
not gonna listen to either side. I mean, I think,

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you know… I don’t know whom to believe. You can see for yourself.
You don’t have to believe nothing. See, we don’t say don’t listen.

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They’re doing tours to his house. You can go down there
and you can see which way the bullet has come from.

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See, the thing that when Fred Hampton
got killed, I said to myself,

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what have I been doing? Why have I been
bullshitting around? Why have I been

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(inaudible) see… You’ve been working with the
wrong… (inaudible) lot of factional things.

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A lot of people, they must have worked within moratorium.
The moratorium, it was sort of like a lot of bullshit,

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but also sort of all right. I mean, those mixed
bags, that’s what it was. Like (inaudible)

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for the moratorium, because I said, well,
black people say, you know, (inaudible)

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. And I hated every minute of it. I didn’t think it was worth
anything. But there wasn’t anything else for me to do.

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[sil.]

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Right, then… I mean, see, both of you
should work with the women’s union that,

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you know, is putting out a
leaflet that relates to women

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and talks about the right women
about the Black Panther Party.

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That isn’t totally a girl’s work though. They
try to speak to the constituents that you have.

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See, when people can get concerned about (inaudible)
Vietnam, that’s so far away, that doesn’t affect them,

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it doesn’t mean that they should do anything.
That’s a moral thing. It doesn’t mean nothing.

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It doesn’t mean anything about their lives. It doesn’t
mean anything about what they decide to do except that

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they go to a rally on a Saturday afternoon when it’s
perfectly convenient. It doesn’t mean nothing about

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giving the white-skin privilege. And when you
say that the reason that they should support

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the war in Vietnam, is that they can’t
do nothing. They can’t even have

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basics of (inaudible) unless they’re gonna
defend the fact that Fred Hampton was murdered.

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Then that’s the whole different thing that mean
that they have to say right now, what does it mean

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that should do right now? What’s needed that I
should do? (inaudible) I mean, it’s all so wrong.

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I mean, see, but there isn’t, because it means that
you all could be able to do anything at the UC,

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because I’m gonna be thrown out, because everybody is
gonna be thrown out, because if you raise your voice,

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because if you say nothing,
it’s gonna mean that

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you’re gonna be judged disruptive, you can be thrown out. It
doesn’t mean that you can do anything. You can do nothing.

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You can’t do anything. There
ain’t no civil liberties.

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Just (inaudible) you can’t
(inaudible) like that.

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You can’t smoke dope. You’re not gonna ever
have people respect you as an individual.

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They’re gonna always make fun if you wanna speak. They’re
gonna always (inaudible) at you. They’re gonna always say,

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you know, what’s a woman doing being in such a high professional
position? Why shouldn’t you be home taking care of your kids?

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You’re not gonna win any respect. You’re
not gonna win any kind of human value.

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You’re not gonna respected
as a person, unless you say,

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unless you be one, so there’s gotta be a basic change.
There’s gotta be a basic thing which says that

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people got to be respected because they’re born
(inaudible) that the people gotta have the basic wage,

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that people gotta have respect
for what they contribute,

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no matter how little it is, no matter how
much it is. If people don’t get paid more,

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because they got an education and because
they got a Masters degree or PhD.

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Everybody has to have his basic human need
satisfied. See, you’re not gonna get that

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unless you unite with the strongest force in this
country for change, which is the Black Panther.

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That’s true of women. That’s true
of any people that want any change.

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You can’t win it. You can’t win a daycare
center for all women at this university.

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If you think that all the women at
this university are your sisters,

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then most of them happen to
be the women in the hospital.

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Because that’s the greatest number of them, they’re
the women. The women working in the hospital?

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That’s right. Also the women that get care
from the hospital, that get turned away

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for billings you’ll see, because they haven’t got
the money. That’s going through the backdoor now.

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No, it’s not. They’re your sisters. But if got the unity…
(inaudible) women’s liberation, you’re going to the black…

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You say what unity is? So you say to
yourself, who can I unite with, it’s women.

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Now, who were leading
this struggle for women?

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Now, it’s the program the Black Panther
Party was realizing in the country,

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daycare centers, free
breakfast for children,

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equal pay for equal work, (inaudible) police that the
women who are put in jail for being prostitutes.

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The free healthcare center is gonna
provide abortions, it’s gonna provide

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free medical care for everyone. If that program was
realized, it would be a new interest to the Panthers.

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Free healthcare, anything
that the Panthers support

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is not just for black people,
they are just (inaudible)

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they are just fighting for black people.
They’re fighting for every person.

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It sounds so rhetorical, I mean, yet it’s so real.
See, to say you organized women about having

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Marlene Dixon still here at the university that
she shouldn’t be far, because she’s a woman.

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See, you can’t win that.
She was fired anyhow,

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because only people we had was the white people, only
people we have was people that were basically weak,

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they’re vided, upper middle-class,
and we couldn’t win that

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without the basic voice of the university. The only thing
that they’re gonna win out of that struggle is that

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they’re gonna get the daycare center, that’s because
the people at the hospital supported that struggle.

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That’s where the power is at. That’s
where the people that are united are.

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You can win nothing. You can’t even
have your basic right to organize,

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unless you’re gonna support the
black liberation struggle.

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You can’t have anything. You’re not gonna be
able to do anything. I mean, (inaudible).

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You know, (inaudible) my support. You know
what I mean? Like you keep running about

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with like long hair and how you get hassled. Well, right,
that’s true. But, like long hair mean certain things to me.

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Right? And I get hassled all over the fucking country.
Right? And I’ve been in the South, and I’ve been in Mexico,

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and I hitched around, I get hassled. Right? And I
give like, you know, a little bread to Panthers

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and I wrap to black people. Right?
And I go to so that this is right.

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And I get beat up sometimes, you
know, like the black cats, you know.

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But I don’t know about this whole thing. I mean,
what’s the part? There’s shit all over the place.

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That’s wrong, right? And you give a few bucks here and a
few bucks there, but you devote your whole life to that,

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and that’s just dumb, and
that’s just senseless, because…

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I mean, like… You know, I’m just living here now and
I’m gonna die, you know, and that’s gonna be it.

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And I can like try to live my
life like as well as I can,

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you know, and not push people around and try
to be like what I think a good person is.

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Right? But I don’t know about
this like organizing, you know,

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and like I can never be happy
till every black person is free,

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because that means I can never be happy while I’m alive, because
while I’m alive, every black person isn’t gonna be free.

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And that’s the way it is. And the best
thing that I can do is like, you know,

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like be friends with, you know. Like,
if I meet a black cat and I like him,

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that’s good, and if I don’t like him, then he can just
go fuck himself, you know. Black cat or no black cat.

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I think the best thing is
to do is not go (inaudible)

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friends with black flocks
and give a couple of bucks

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to the Black Panthers. I think what you
should be about is going to school

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and getting your degree that
this society looks up to,

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and go into whatever field you choose,
and then try to educate black people.

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You say, you get to the problem,
you know, cut away racism. But,

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to me, it’s so difficult, because, you know,
first you have to cut away your own racism

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and then you have to cut away, you know, everybody
else’s racism. And… I mean, I really like to be

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aligned with the black people, you know, (inaudible), yeah,
sure, that’s where the change is going to take place,

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but I don’t know how. There are so
many barriers setup there already.

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In very, very small ways I’ve tried, you know,
to begin like with white middle-class people

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from the (inaudible) from and yet…

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Like, I really hate doing it. And you just gotta
talk to people about what they know. I mean,

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you know, I mean, this is… I don’t know.

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It’s like what you wanna do is we’re collectively with people. Who
you’re gonna work with if you just really don’t get on to well,

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with say the ideas being a national
socialist, the ideas of (inaudible)

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or something like that. You can get in there and you
know when they have the meetings, you can talk ideology

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and you can read and you can try to convince them
about your point of view. But, in a way that’s…

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that’s like, uh… you know, being on the Senate.
How do you reconcile the package you are in,

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a selfish individual with your own
interest, because living a whole life

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is to help other people. I mean,
like (inaudible), I mean, like…

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How’s that viable? Some people might know fishing. Yeah,
I don’t say talking to you, you know, lot of workers.

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It’s a lot of bullshit
that people are into.

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Why did you ask us here? Are we on display?

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Don’t you feel anything? Why did
you ask us? Because you felt that

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somehow we had something to say
because we were suspended.

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Now, I would like to know why you did that?
Whether there was any

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collective sense about this party
that they chose a political speaker?

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Who moved that we should come?
I think we asked you because…

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Well, some of us like felt identification

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umm… in terms of like that we’re
students and that we’re in a school

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and like we know that we’re being fucked over, we chose to
stay in school for various reasons, we were just getting like

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talking with people who weren’t in
school now, but like had been in school

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and umm… like how they felt

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about like us staying in
school even though umm…

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we all know that we’re being
fucked over. And also,

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like just… I mean, like we’re living
in America, you know, and like we use

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GE light bulbs when you (inaudible), right.
And doing all those things,

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we are like fucking over other people,
right. And like what that means to you,

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who at the same time, like you’re organizing
these workers. I can’t believe that you are

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not like as impure like. I
mean, you know… (inaudible).

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I told you. I mean, it’s silly Danny.

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That’s a small thing. Because we were suspended, we’re better
than you. Because they’re black, they’re better than you. Right.

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And what are you doing?

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[sil.]

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What is that you don’t feel any
kind of collective feeling?

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What do you identify with?
You try to say several times

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you know. You, the girl…?

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I guess, I identify with my future job.

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You don’t identity with this group at all?

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No. No. Unfortunately.

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[sil.]

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If that’s true, you’re suffering the worse kind of
oppression. What else you’ve done besides you quit your job?

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A few people.

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[sil.]

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That’s all. I think one of the things that he said was,
I just kind of thinking that’s not all what I think.

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And possibly the idea of
being that, it really wasn’t

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that much of a collective thing, the closest
collective thing this group being, that we all kind of

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after a while said, well, you know, let’s make a
film on this. I mean, maybe attrition, nothing else.

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But, I mean, I wouldn’t…
like I’ve got… I get my,

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I don’t know whatever it is,
in other ways than you do.

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I just can’t put as much time and
energy into, to put into a social…

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What do you do with 100$ a week? What? What do you
do with the 100$ a week? (inaudible) $100 a week.

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You must (inaudible) much to live on.
Well, I mean, I gotta pay my rent. I eat.

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(inaudible) to go to college.

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Well, to the college, I get
full scholarship (inaudible).

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Your parents don’t give you anything? But why don’t you go to
work though? Why don’t you go over to a student employee’s house

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with student employees and what not and get some
money. You work for… work in the library for a week.

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I work in the library. You know, like…
See, I didn’t mean to interrupt you,

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but I’m just sort of angry that by people keep
saying, what do you do when you work in a factory?

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What do you do? How can (inaudible)? What’s this
white pure…? I mean, like it’s full of shit.

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(inaudible) no what isn’t…
It’s not more reason,

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it’s that somehow you feel
some kind of hung up, because

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some of us were suspended last year and you felt some kind of
solidarity with us, because we were part of the same thing

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that we were or else you wouldn’t have invited us. You
know, you wouldn’t have… I wouldn’t be back here,

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this year, at the UFC if you didn’t feel some kind
of solidarity with me. I’ve been invited back here

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five or ten times. See, people feel
some kind of something about me,

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but it’s never done anything in terms of people being
able to concretely say what it was or indentify

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or get over some kind of hang up
in order to do anything about it.

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There’s no movement on this campus this year.
You aren’t supporting people that are saying

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that they should have free meals for
workers. You’re not supporting anything.

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You’re not supporting the women’s movement. You’re not supporting the black
students’ association. You’re not supporting the Black Panther Party.

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You’re supporting nothing. But you feel some kind
of moral hang-up that you should invite us back.

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Now, I probably gotta talk tonight
and I’m sort of (inaudible),

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but I’m sorry. But, I mean, there’s some of
something going on and I should be able to pull

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some people out that feel the way.
Like, maybe you and you and you,

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are something, I mean… See, the
thing is that… (inaudible).

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I think (inaudible)
really exciting question

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that this course is adding ten weeks. And…

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For the NSC group.

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Uh… We read Julie. And we really… we tried

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in our own kind of separate
check-off type ways to uh…

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make a community and talk
about what a community was.

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But it really never happened.

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And there are a couple of people
that I’ve seen, in this class,

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that I really like, but I’ve never
talked to them. And, you know…

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(inaudible) some of issues you said
and that it doesn’t do anything.

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But you want sort of instant result.

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You want me to get up and say, I pledge my next week’s
salary so that… You get a lot of Panthers out of jail, yeah.

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And you get a lot of people out of jail. Well, some
money to the Panthers on this Saturday when I attended

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(inaudible) any better for it.
But like I’m coming to grips

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with the political thing. And it can take
me a while just like it took you a while.

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Like you didn’t do it overnight either.
Right? And you can’t expect these people

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to do it overnight. I don’t know what you’ve done
here either exactly. I don’t know who came down here

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because you thought you had a chance to wrap to a lot
of people about your politics or not. And I’m not sure

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that’s what like we all expected.
But, I think, maybe

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you got some people thinking or you’ll help some
people who are already thinking think some more.

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And, because you aren’t
radicalizing people like

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in a space of two hours, it doesn’t mean that
you’re not getting anywhere. What I’m saying is,

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if there is a problem and you recognize,
you should recognize that problem.

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Right? And you should… maybe be willing
if the (inaudible) poor say as

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organizing in a factory or
something, you should be able to

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try and help people to come to grips with that kind of
problem. You had a sense that there was any kind of…

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that there was any purpose in having this class,
that there was any purpose of making film,

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except technical stuff about how many close-ups
and whatnot, I don’t know what they’re shooting,

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you know, whatever. I mean, if
you had any sense (inaudible)

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purpose and except to have an interesting conversation,
because we would do something dramatic or something.

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I mean, you could show their film. You could
show it and raise money at junior colleges

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all over the city. I mean, you can do a million things
as a group if you could agree with one other person

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ain’t nothing (inaudible) go out and talk to
somebody, that’s what it’s all, it’s nothing else.

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I mean, there is this barrier,
see, and it’s full of shit.

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I feel… I mean, I feel as much of part in the
school now as I did before I was suspended,

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which isn’t much, and it’s probably
isn’t much for you either,

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that you’re here for four years that ain’t much, you have
an identification (inaudible). Now, with the faction,

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I got faction problems with my
movement now. I mean, aim a big thing

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and it’s a cop out to say all the time
that there isn’t anything that you can do.