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Don't you prefer sparkling water?

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No, this is fine.

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So...

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I would like to know, are
you going to make the film?

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Well...

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I haven't decided yet,

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I invited them to come
to the university the day

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of the ceremony.

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Are they coming? What will they do?

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They want to film me
in my surroundings,

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and film the ceremony

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in honor of my work;

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and then I will see
how it goes,

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what they tell me,

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and I'll see if
I do it or not.

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Maybe I already kind of
committed to it...

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Since you have already
invited them to come... to film...

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Plus...

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that makes me the main
character, which is something

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that doesn't really excite me.
Well...

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- So...
- Well... and so?

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Well, I'll talk
with them on that day.

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- Perhaps it's better to wait...
-Well...

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Hello?

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How's it going?

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How are you Chucho?

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Good, just here, working.

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The philosopher agreed

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to us filming his retirement
ceremony, how about that?

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Great! Very good.

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And when is it going to be?

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In two weeks, in Paris.

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As Aristotle said, "if you
don't want to philosophize,

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you have to philosophize
in order to demonstrate

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why not to philosophize".

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Even the skeptic has to argue

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and give reasons
for the argument.

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Even the unbeliever
that refuses reason,

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has to give reasons.

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More and more, I think that
one has to philosophize

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about what is closest to oneself

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in part, by questioning

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which is naturally
human, but also,

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what I would call experience
in a broad sense.

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It could be the experience
of some of our passions;

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it could also be as
cientific experience;

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it could be everything
that is given to us

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and that isn't philosophical.

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I think that the proper
nature of philosophy

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is to philosophize about
things that are not philosophical.

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Currently,

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what I'm trying to do is,
by means of the particular,

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to search for
anthropological universals.

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I've allowed myself the luxury
of trying to philosophize

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about two of my passions.

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An honorable one,
and a shameful one.

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With music,

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I finally decided to grab
the bull by the horns

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after 60 years the subject
had pursued me.

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About the other passion,

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I've always tried satisfying it
without making much about it.

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So I beg you, don’t shoot the pianist,

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and at last allow me to sing
without embarrassment:

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You haven't understood me Carmen!

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It’s retirement.

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There is Francis the philosopher,

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there is Francis the music lover,

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there is Francis the Brazilian
carnival lover,

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and there is Francis who is...

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a perfect friend.

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He is a world-renowned
specialist in Greek philosophy,

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especially in Aristotle.

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His books are on the cutting edge

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of Aristotelian philosophy
discussion worldwide.

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I would say that he is
the only one of my friends

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who I sincerely admire.

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He has a very superior
philosophical transcendence,

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not only compared to the mean,
but also to mine or all of us.

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Today's guest is a philosopher
called Francis Wolff.

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He has just written a book titled
"There is no perfect love".

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You have revolutionized
the way of teaching philosophy,

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especially at
the École Normale Supérieure.

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You've created a new art
of conceptualizing

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the art of dialog, by
regaining platonic dialog,

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because what interests you

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is making philosophy accessible
to everyone.

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Do I have to react
to the video?

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The video of the slaughterhouse.

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Not specially, but if you
want to say something...

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In all your trajectory
as a philosopher,

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what has interested you
has been pleasure,

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pleasure of philosophy,

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pleasure of experimenting
with music

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and understanding its reasons.

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And there are other
pleasures that for some,

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more and more nowadays,
are forbidden.

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You published a few years
ago an essential book

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that has just been reedited
with a new foreword

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titled
"The philosophy of bullfighting".

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Philosophers like me,

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were surprised to see
a book about bullfighting.

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At the same time,
one must say how,

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in his own way, as always,

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his book has a place in
contemporary philosophy,

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where emotions
are the main focus.

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It is an extraordinary
masterpiece,

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and it has truly convinced
me of one thing:

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the cultural value
of bullfighting.

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In favor of the controversy
about bullfighting,

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in it appear all the universal
subjects of Francis.

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I think that now,

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and since the beginning of
the twenty-first century,

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we're experiencing
the birth of new utopias.

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The animal liberation
movement;

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the movement in favor
of the vegan lifestyle;

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the anti-species movement.

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They are not all the same,
but they're part of a collective

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whose purpose is the following:

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There is talk about
animal liberation,

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as we've talked about liberation
of the peoples or social classes.

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They talk about animal
exploitation as we have

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debated exploitation of man by man.

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For those who fight
for this cause,

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it's as if animals
are the new proletarians

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of productive capitalism;

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the last martyrs;
the absolute victims

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because they accumulate
all the subjugation.

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Let me return to what
was just said

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a few moments ago,

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about the media impact

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caused by slaughterhouses
videos that were put online

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and that provoked
healthy disapproval

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and an unanimous indignation.

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Personally, I would have
liked to have seen

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the same unanimity when,
in plain view,

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through the media,

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humans are being
treated like animals,

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like in the case of
the refugees.

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So I ask myself,

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why does that unanimous
reproach come so easily

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when animals are
reduced to objects

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but is so hard to come by

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when human beings
are reduced to animals.

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So, these Mexican guys

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don't have any idea about bullfighting?

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It's a problem because

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we're going to waste
a lot of time,

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explaining to them what
it's about and all that...

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that is a problem.

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But at the same time
it's a solution,

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because they don't have
the typical vices

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and manias of a bullfighting fan.

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They will annoy me sometimes,

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when they ask stupid
or silly questions,

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But...

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I'll discover
another point of view with them.

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Did you like it?

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What's the idea?

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Well, let's start.

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I'm not going to say
what you want,

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I'll say what I think.

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Exactly!

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Double clap for the cameras.

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What is this about?

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We're intrigued that
as a philosopher,

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you have written
a book about bullfighting

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from a philosophical
point of view.

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We know that you have written
about a lot of different subjects,

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but that one in particular
is what interests us,

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because it seems rather
contradictory or paradoxical.

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- I'm going to talk in French.
- Alright.

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I don't trust

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any of the attempts on making
a film about bullfighting.

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Because all of them go
into the pros and cons,

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but the arguments are
useless and pointless.

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And if it isn't done
in that way,

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one is accused of making
a propaganda film...

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On that we agree, right?

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- Did you sort of understand?
- Yes.

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We must state here that
we're not into bullfighting;

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- Yes...
- I think that's important...

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We're not into bullfighting and
we know very little about it.

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Conveying a passion is
practically impossible,

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but I'll try to share with you,
a point of view,

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a way of seeing...

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not only bullfighting...

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but also the bullfighter,
the bull, the animal in general,

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man in general,
we can try that.

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What worries me most...

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is that I think that...

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this world is dying.

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First day traveling
with the filmmakers.

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They want to understand
this unique passion.

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And me... what am I searching for?

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Maybe to understand
why bullfighting is inevitably

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destined to die.

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Is the sea there?

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It is Vacares Lagoon

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LA BÉLUGUE
NATURE RESERVE

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It's a bull that is born
and raised for fighting

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and that fights a lot
throughout its life,

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and little by little,

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by the first year its horns
start to come out.

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We see how it itches
and it starts to play with them,

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and then little by little
their way of playing

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seems more and more
like fighting.

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Once they become adults
we suffer a lot of losses

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among the ones that we
breed because bulls fight

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until the death...

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- Among themselves?
- Yes, among themselves.

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The love that a breeder
has towards a fighting bull

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can’t be understood by someone
unfamiliar to this environment.

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The life of a fighting
bull is a planned life,

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a life in which the father and
the mother is previously established,

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everything is written in a book,

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a stronger love than that,

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by taking care of it that way,
does not exist.

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Bullfighting enables for 10%
of the bullfighting herd

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to be fought and killed
in a bullfight;

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the other 90% exists to enable
the raising of that 10%.

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So, it’s a miracle
that this type of animal

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is still being raised
in such grasslands.

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If bullfighting stopped,

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bullfighting livestock would
most likely disappear.

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For me taking it to the bullring
is a great honor,

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because when the bull
goes into the arena,

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it's the star of the afternoon.

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The people go to see it,
to see what it’s got.

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That's why we raise it
during four years.

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However, the ones that we take
to the slaughterhouse,

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it's harder for me to go there.

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I raise my animals
so that they can fight in the arena.

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I like gazing at animals
in their environment.

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Not household pets,

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but those animals that live
in the fields, forest or bush.

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What I like about
them is not their humanity,

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but rather their animality.

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I like what they are,
what they do.

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One must be an overprotected
twenty-first century city slicker

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to imagine that nature is beautiful
and kind to those who live in it.

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It is in fact the kingdom of fear
and fight to the death.

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Life is nourished
relentlessly by life.

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We have shared
thousands of stories

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with them for
thousands of years.

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The hunter, its dog and their
combined talent for hunting;

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the careful breeder
and the love for its creatures;

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the rider united with its mount.

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Thousands of stories also
about the fight against pests

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that ruin crops and herds:
wolves, locusts and boars.

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Thousands of stories of domestication,
of friendship, coexistence

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of respect and admiration
or of combat.

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All of these stories have left us
with a legacy of different obligations.

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With pets,

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we give them our love, and in
exchange they give us theirs.

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For this reason, it is immoral
to betray that moral agreement

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and get rid of our dog
on the middle of a highway.

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The domestic animals that we have
been raising for eleven thousand years

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give us their meat, their milk,
their honey or their hides.

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In exchange, we should give
them our protection,

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food and living conditions
suited for their species,

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that is the domestication contract.

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But it is not immoral
to kill them,

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since they exist
for that purpose.

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With wild animals, we don't have
that kind of individual relationship.

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But we have a sort of ecological
contract with these species.

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We must respect
the equilibrium of ecosystems

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and biodiversity.

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What is the presence
of animals in urban contexts?

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Animal's presence in the city
has been reduced, curiously,

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to pets or small pets,
some very strange.

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There are pigs that are treated
like if they were dogs

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and they walk them
around the streets.

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So these phenomena are
related to this almost

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unipersonal dwelling,
what does this mean?

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That one person
occupies one space,

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and so who is this person's
natural companion?

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The pet.
Nowadays, one of the main activities

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is taking pets out for walks.

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I was born in the city,
but when we were children,

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we would visit
our grandparent's house

00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.760
and we would see how our
aunt, how our grandmother

00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.360
would grab a chicken
and the chicken that we would eat,

00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.360
we would see how
she would kill it calmly,

00:20:30.600 --> 00:20:33.480
and it seemed
absolutely natural.

00:20:33.600 --> 00:20:36.480
So, this pampered society

00:20:36.840 --> 00:20:39.960
has been raised in such a way,

00:20:40.360 --> 00:20:45.440
in particular with
respect to animals,

00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:50.200
that has led it, one could say,
into a pathologic stage.

00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:12.840
Even though it is
senseless to want

00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:16.040
to release animals from men,
we must make the effort

00:21:16.120 --> 00:21:18.800
to improve the breeding
conditions of those

00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:21.480
that live under our care.

00:21:21.760 --> 00:21:23.840
To fight for animal welfare,

00:21:24.080 --> 00:21:27.520
means also to fight against
the commodification of living beings.

00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:31.520
It has to be said with force:

00:21:31.840 --> 00:21:35.800
technical and economic modernization
have often brought along with it

00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:38.880
an undeniable degradation
of breeding conditions

00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.840
of certain animals destined
for human consumption,

00:21:42.040 --> 00:21:44.440
reducing them to mere goods,

00:21:44.840 --> 00:21:48.480
or to horrid production machines
of meat and dejections.

00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:52.760
But, who is at fault?

00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:55.200
The workers at slaughterhouses,
who are victims

00:21:55.320 --> 00:21:58.040
of the seasonal rhythm
that is imposed on them by the market?

00:21:58.800 --> 00:22:02.640
The farmers who have recently
protested about their survival conditions?

00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:11.439
The major retail chains
that dictate the lowest prices

00:22:11.560 --> 00:22:14.320
to sell meat packaged in cellophane?

00:22:15.560 --> 00:22:17.200
The consumers?

00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:19.160
But which ones?

00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.360
The privileged ones
that buy fine meat

00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.400
at a higher price
at traditional butcheries?

00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:30.680
Or the majority that buy
sausages at supermarkets

00:22:30.800 --> 00:22:33.160
in order to have a goodtime with friends?

00:22:37.600 --> 00:22:40.400
Street philosophers, Madrid,
take two.

00:22:40.800 --> 00:22:42.880
It's basically a bloodbath.

00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:44.400
It's torture.

00:22:44.520 --> 00:22:51.120
And I think it's grotesque
that today, in 2016,

00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.840
we still think it is culture.

00:22:54.320 --> 00:22:57.200
Street philosophers,
Paris, sixteen.

00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.880
I don't like the idea
of fooling anyone,

00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:06.800
not a person or animal
with a type of cloth

00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.400
and then taking it out
at the last minute.

00:23:08.520 --> 00:23:09.920
I think it is perverse.

00:23:10.600 --> 00:23:13.640
Street philosophers,
Coyoacan, take two.

00:23:15.320 --> 00:23:17.520
In all truth, I'm not at all in favor,

00:23:17.760 --> 00:23:23.320
since they mistreat an animal
as a means of entertainment.

00:23:35.760 --> 00:23:40.240
FOR A BLOODLESS FIESTA
ABOLITION OF BULLFIGHTING

00:23:40.520 --> 00:23:43.800
Animal assassin, animal abuse!

00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.360
They should kill you,
that would be the best thing!

00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:48.320
The world should have gored you!

00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:51.320
Assassins... Assassins!

00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.600
Fuck you assholes!

00:23:55.560 --> 00:23:59.080
You consider yourself educated?
This is not culture.

00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:02.000
Uneducated! Uneducated!

00:24:02.120 --> 00:24:05.680
Bullfighting has always had
its adversaries; it's a tradition

00:24:05.760 --> 00:24:09.120
that has occurred parallel
to that of bullfighting aficionados.

00:24:09.760 --> 00:24:11.600
It's true that these days
it's more...

00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:16.800
...public,
let's say that it's more visible,

00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.960
much more emboldened,

00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:24.120
because there is a culture nowadays
that encourages it.

00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.840
But I think that we need
to defend bullfighting

00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:32.400
and that we have reasons that are
ethical as well as esthetic,

00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:35.400
that are in favor of it.

00:24:35.800 --> 00:24:37.320
I ask myself,

00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:44.240
this anti-bullfighting jihad,
this criticism against bullfighting

00:24:44.600 --> 00:24:47.440
that is more evident every day
in some countries

00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.440
where does it come from?

00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:51.720
What is behind this?

00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:56.480
And we need to be clear
that in many occasions...

00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.440
people criticize without knowing
anything about the topic.

00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.880
I think that one needs to see it
with people that understand it,

00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:05.960
in order to have an opinion

00:25:06.040 --> 00:25:08.480
That is not our case.


00:25:08.560 --> 00:25:10.080
We don't know if we like it or not.

00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.000
it would be worth

00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:14.200
to watch it with someone who
 knows about the subject.

00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:15.760
so we could decide
if we like it or not.

00:25:22.840 --> 00:25:27.160
What do you think about
how bullfighting

00:25:27.280 --> 00:25:30.320
is looked down upon in Spain.

00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:31.880
Is it something new?

00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:36.560
I always say that
there never has been unanimity.

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.160
It is something that has
always had detractors.

00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:44.160
People ask themselves "What is
this? Why is it interesting?

00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:45.680
It's cruel..."

00:25:46.760 --> 00:25:48.720
The prohibition by
the church for example...

00:25:48.800 --> 00:25:52.080
The church's prohibition
is more complicated,

00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:56.200
this happened because bullfighting
was likened to a duel,

00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:57.760
and duels were also prohibited.

00:25:57.800 --> 00:26:01.200
A man didn't have the right to put
his life in danger for something

00:26:01.280 --> 00:26:06.040
so trivial as the amusement
of the crowd in a spectacle.

00:26:06.120 --> 00:26:11.120
In the history of prohibitions,
the apprehensions, criticisms,

00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:16.080
even from intellectuals
like Unamuno and others,

00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.800
the argument was the people
were wasting their time

00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:20.560
talking about bulls.

00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:24.800
But the idea of animal suffering
is very recent.

00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:28.440
It is. As time goes on,
the argument for the suffering

00:26:28.520 --> 00:26:31.200
of the animal is brought up.

00:26:31.280 --> 00:26:34.200
This was the new stance
of those against bullfighting.

00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:44.760
I feel very close
to the anti-bullfighting crowd

00:26:44.840 --> 00:26:48.320
who don't understand and
have never seen a bullfight,

00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.840
and I must confess that if
I hadn't seen a bullfight

00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:56.440
I would be outside the arenas
protesting against

00:26:56.520 --> 00:27:01.400
this cruel event where
they kill an animal

00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:03.680
that as they say,
"has never done anything to hurt us".

00:27:04.600 --> 00:27:06.840
I understand their sensitivity.

00:27:08.080 --> 00:27:11.360
They see the bull as a victim,

00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.720
but when we see a
bull we see it as a warrior,

00:27:14.800 --> 00:27:18.480
it's totally different.
For me the victim

00:27:18.560 --> 00:27:22.240
is the living being, the animal,
that has been transformed

00:27:22.360 --> 00:27:24.360
into a machine to produce.

00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:58.520
- What seats do we have?
- Entrance five.

00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.840
Entrance five, lower bullpen,
row seventeen.

00:28:19.360 --> 00:28:21.000
What is bullfighting?

00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:23.600
What is its essence?

00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:25.480
As the platonic
philosophers said.

00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.080
In what category of
human practice

00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.440
do we place it,
in order to follow logic?

00:28:33.760 --> 00:28:36.240
It is without doubt a show.

00:28:37.040 --> 00:28:38.680
There are actors in costume;

00:28:38.760 --> 00:28:40.640
there is a setting, there is music.

00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.480
However, no one
plays a role,

00:28:44.560 --> 00:28:46.360
and the play is not
written beforehand.

00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.520
The bull is not a cardboard prop
and it really dies.

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.720
And real things happen
to the bullfighter,

00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.040
wounds or glory.

00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:01.240
Is it then a sacrificial ritual?

00:29:04.520 --> 00:29:08.160
But, who has seen a sacrifice
where the priest risks his life?

00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:11.840
It is an art, without doubt

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.280
but it's not a real art,

00:29:14.360 --> 00:29:18.000
because it shows raw reality
instead of just representing it.

00:29:18.800 --> 00:29:20.360
So, it's a sport?

00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.760
Like in sports there is a staging of the body,

00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:26.920
and the sense of a physical feat.

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.840
But there aren't any records
or scoreboards.

00:29:32.840 --> 00:29:34.240
A combat?

00:29:34.520 --> 00:29:36.160
It's not a true combat,

00:29:36.520 --> 00:29:38.920
since the one
who should always vanquish is man.

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.040
Bullfighting is indefinable.

00:29:45.320 --> 00:29:49.800
Unless it is a sort of monster,
the same as a platypus,

00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.840
with a duck's beak
and the tail of a beaver.

00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.680
An unclassifiable animal
that defies all zoological categories.

00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:01.280
Bullfighting is like the platypus
of our practices.

00:30:02.600 --> 00:30:05.000
An unclassifiable species,

00:30:05.760 --> 00:30:07.240
and endangered.

00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:19.880
Bullfighting...

00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.720
...can be the most powerful...

00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.080
...and beautiful thing that happens
in less than a quarter of an hour...

00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.800
...between a man and a bull.

00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:44.320
Bullfighting for me
is the artfulness of man

00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:50.120
avoiding death, and the ferocity
of a bull trying to provoke it.

00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.280
For me bullfighting, beyond
being an art and a spectacle,

00:30:53.360 --> 00:30:56.360
is something absolutely wonderful,

00:30:56.840 --> 00:30:59.200
in a rather mundane world.

00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:31.400
I wrote in Le Monde, that we claim
to be the human rights birthplace,

00:31:32.520 --> 00:31:36.400
and we are forgetting our
human obligations.

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.960
Basic duties such as
hospitality and universal rights

00:31:41.040 --> 00:31:43.000
that are common
to all civilizations.

00:31:43.080 --> 00:31:48.000
You and I have this
humanist position,

00:31:48.080 --> 00:31:50.840
but how can we accept
bullfighting as a spectacle

00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.360
and enjoy it?

00:31:52.520 --> 00:31:55.160
I simply think that
for the people,

00:31:55.440 --> 00:32:00.200
to see the bull, nobly
confronting man;

00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:04.080
is a combat custom that has lived
in Mediterranean mentality

00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.080
since Crete, since centuries.

00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.640
The identity of a republican
and a leftwing person

00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:15.520
is about cultural freedom and to
live according to one's own culture.

00:32:16.040 --> 00:32:19.120
Here, we have a
bullfighting culture.

00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.800
Even though nowadays there
is controversy about

00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.120
our culture, we don't ask
others to adopt it

00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.720
but that they respect our freedom.

00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.840
We are Mediterranean,
we like the ephemeral,

00:32:36.120 --> 00:32:37.920
we like... yes,

00:32:38.520 --> 00:32:43.920
to create and we like
the evanescence of seeing

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.400
how that creation fades.

00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.280
Behind bullfighting,
there is a very clear culture.

00:32:52.360 --> 00:32:56.400
I think that Kabuki,
or Noh theatre for example,

00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:00.120
surely a foreigner
can come to understand it,

00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.560
but most than likely a person

00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.520
who is part of the culture
that created it

00:33:05.600 --> 00:33:09.600
will understand it
and sense it much better.

00:33:13.600 --> 00:33:16.080
What is it that I like most
about the bullfighting culture?

00:33:16.360 --> 00:33:19.320
Its particularities
or its universality?

00:33:20.360 --> 00:33:22.440
From fair to fair

00:33:22.520 --> 00:33:24.680
I feel the same fervor,
the same enthusiasm,

00:33:24.760 --> 00:33:26.920
the same frenzy
towards bullfighting.

00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.320
But in every city, in every province
and in every country,

00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.160
I discover a new way to feel,
to sing, to dance, to feast,

00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.680
to celebrate bullfighting
and take part in the festivity.

00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.000
Sometimes it's an unbridled
and Dionysian celebration...

00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.160
...and sometimes it's an Apollonian
ceremony or a serious ritual.

00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.960
And sometimes it is a game
of near miss maneuvering.

00:33:52.080 --> 00:33:53.880
Sometimes it's a visual art.

00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.720
There is something
that I don't understand about

00:33:59.800 --> 00:34:02.400
the supposedly progressive
critics of bullfights.

00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:05.720
They seem to be an echo

00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:09.600
of the general globalization
movement and its cultural uniformity.

00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:15.600
It’s clear to me that the local minority

00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.319
cultural identities where
bullfighting takes place,

00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.319
in a modest but decisive way,

00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:28.159
they are resisting
the powerful civilization of uniformity.

00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:30.959
So I ask myself,

00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.439
isn't it necessary,
today more than ever

00:34:34.520 --> 00:34:36.800
to protect
the bullfighting cultures?

00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.920
Street philosophers
in Madrid, take three.

00:35:05.520 --> 00:35:07.720
It seems terrible
and despicable to me,

00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.240
because you have a bull
that doesn't want to be there,

00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.200
it's being killed but not
under equal opportunities,

00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:17.720
the bull is defenseless.

00:35:18.040 --> 00:35:22.280
Personally,
I'm in favor of bullfighting,

00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.200
I think it's an amazing show
that could almost be surreal.

00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.040
It's something that,

00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.520
although it seems
horrible to David,

00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:40.120
I think it's curious,
there are few places where

00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.480
a person will be risking
their life with an animal.

00:35:43.560 --> 00:35:45.840
It's something completely
archaic, it's true.

00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.200
Street philosophers,
take one.

00:35:50.680 --> 00:35:53.240
I don't deny it
can be brutal,

00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.080
I'm used to seeing it
since I was a child.

00:35:56.520 --> 00:35:59.360
So perhaps I allow it,

00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.720
but I am aware
that if we were to eliminate

00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.680
all those human activities
that are violent,

00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.920
we would have to get rid
of a lot of things.

00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.400
Now it's become a fad,
to be against bullfighting.

00:36:11.520 --> 00:36:12.880
Would you take your child?

00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.880
- No, not yet.
- Not yet.

00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:18.040
There are a lot of things
that children don't need to see...

00:36:18.120 --> 00:36:19.400
In eight years.

00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:21.680
No... like three or four.

00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.840
Thank you very much
for the interview.

00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.160
That part of the film

00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:32.760
- doesn't convince me at all.
- What part?

00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.680
The part
of the street philosophers.

00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.520
The interviews don't convince you?

00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:41.960
No, street philosopher
doesn't mean anything.

00:36:42.200 --> 00:36:45.680
The only street philosopher
that has ever existed was Socrates,

00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:50.080
but it wasn’t to record opinions,
but rather to critique them.

00:36:50.160 --> 00:36:52.320
We're not making
a fiction film.

00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.440
What people think
must be founded,

00:36:56.520 --> 00:37:01.320
it must be argued, it must
have some sort of sense.

00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.480
That’s what you do
as a philosopher,

00:37:03.560 --> 00:37:05.800
but not the people
on the street.

00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.040
We should call it
something else then,

00:37:08.040 --> 00:37:10.600
not street philosophers,
just people of the street.

00:37:10.720 --> 00:37:12.600
Ok, but then it's another movie.

00:37:12.720 --> 00:37:14.840
- Why don't you direct?
- Let's go have a coffee...

00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.760
No, so you make philosophy now?

00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.120
No, I'm not professing
to be a philosopher.

00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:21.680
I am.

00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:25.080
Let's go drink a coffee
and we'll talk about it later.

00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:51.920
Good afternoon.

00:37:53.240 --> 00:37:54.560
Hello, good afternoon.

00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.640
In my opinion, they are the last
of free men,

00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.000
living a different life from ours,

00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:42.600
accustomed since very young
to approach their craft

00:38:42.720 --> 00:38:45.920
with a degree of seriousness,
unlike any other occupation.

00:38:46.040 --> 00:38:48.040
They are used to suffering

00:38:48.160 --> 00:38:51.160
and to get over it
when they suffer.

00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.400
When one is in a
bullfighting arena,

00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:56.720
one has a perspective
about what goes on.

00:38:57.600 --> 00:39:00.080
I invite people to go
further down closer

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.840
and see how that perspective,
that contact with reality,

00:39:06.120 --> 00:39:08.240
greatly changes you.

00:39:08.520 --> 00:39:10.400
The perception is
totally different,

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.920
your heart rate changes in a
completely different way,

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.160
until you reach a point where

00:39:17.640 --> 00:39:19.160
you're unable to take
even one more step.

00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.840
That's when you realize
that these people

00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.200
are from another galaxy.

00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:28.040
You stand where your feet
catch fire, for real.

00:39:28.120 --> 00:39:32.520
Many times your instinct tells you
not to, but your mind does.

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:44.280
What we do each afternoon
is a real challenge,

00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.480
because of that bullfighters
admire each other.

00:39:48.560 --> 00:39:51.320
We know what goes on,
and we know that

00:39:51.520 --> 00:39:53.520
bullfighting is for super men.

00:39:55.080 --> 00:39:57.760
They reach maturity
at an absurdly young age.

00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.920
By 18, or 19 years of age,
they're already full-blown adults.

00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.800
I think that it's a craft,
it's a way of thinking life...

00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:11.880
Víctor Gómez Pin uses
a great Proust's quote that says:

00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.960
"Being a bullfighter is the most
sober school of life that exists".

00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.040
Let's go, get upset.

00:40:18.200 --> 00:40:19.480
Come on!

00:40:20.200 --> 00:40:21.280
That’s it...

00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:24.800
...all of it, completely.

00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.160
Slowly, slow...

00:40:30.520 --> 00:40:31.600
...slower.

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.240
Being a bullfighter
is feeling it in your soul,

00:40:43.600 --> 00:40:46.720
since birth... to feel it,

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.000
feeling the chills in your veins,
believing in it.

00:40:51.080 --> 00:40:53.000
I tell you from experience
since I was a child.

00:40:53.080 --> 00:40:55.640
I would bullfight
with other children,

00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.560
and I was a God.

00:40:57.680 --> 00:41:00.440
It must hurt your soul.

00:41:00.560 --> 00:41:04.440
It must hurt really,
you have to feel it.

00:41:04.560 --> 00:41:07.720
I always say that to be a
bullfighter, when bullfighting,

00:41:08.080 --> 00:41:12.080
don't just let it go with your arm,

00:41:12.160 --> 00:41:13.640
filter it through your heart,

00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:16.240
and take it to the hand
that is bullfighting.

00:41:16.680 --> 00:41:20.520
It has an amazing effect, because there's
a surge of pleasure that's so immense,

00:41:20.600 --> 00:41:22.200
as strong as an orgasm, kind of...

00:41:22.600 --> 00:41:24.200
...or stronger even.

00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:26.280
At that moment you're God.

00:41:32.080 --> 00:41:34.480
If the bullfighter awakens some sort
of sexual emotion,

00:41:34.560 --> 00:41:37.200
it's as strong in men as it is in women.

00:41:37.720 --> 00:41:42.320
The bullfighter embodies a feminine
and masculine form alternately.

00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.960
When he dances,
when he seduces the bull,

00:41:45.040 --> 00:41:49.600
his gestures, it's a choreography,
that's the seductive part of the woman.

00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.800
But when he introduces
the sword and kills it,

00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.240
it's extremely phallic.

00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:59.680
Other intellectuals like Cocteau
have expressed this much better than I.

00:42:17.560 --> 00:42:21.560
It's a visual act.
Starting from the artistic forms,

00:42:21.640 --> 00:42:27.120
up until how the bullfighter
is able to create aesthetic forms

00:42:27.200 --> 00:42:29.680
with his own body
with his movements,

00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.280
in front of an animal
whose only instinct is to attack him.

00:42:39.600 --> 00:42:41.880
For me to be able to read
the bull's intentions,

00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.480
I have to descend to the most
basic parts of myself.

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:57.560
This descent to the most basic parts
of a human being is liberating.

00:43:00.520 --> 00:43:05.000
You feel like you're within
your anthropologic foundation.

00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.720
In the end,
you descend to the origin...

00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.040
...you become into pure feeling.

00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.720
A bullfighter doesn't play a role
like an actor.

00:43:35.680 --> 00:43:37.400
He plays himself.

00:43:39.040 --> 00:43:42.000
We see the most profound
part of that being.

00:43:42.720 --> 00:43:44.440
He isn't doing a comedy,

00:43:44.520 --> 00:43:47.080
he has a technique obviously,

00:43:47.200 --> 00:43:52.880
because if he didn’t have one
the bull would destroy him in a flash.

00:43:53.080 --> 00:43:55.480
But in the moment
of the direct action,

00:43:56.200 --> 00:43:59.480
there isn’t any acting,
he is himself

00:43:59.680 --> 00:44:04.000
and the more
his personality surfaces,

00:44:04.080 --> 00:44:06.280
the better the bullfight will be.

00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:18.280
For me a bullfighter
is what a real actor should be.

00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.840
That is, someone who has...

00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:24.360
the courage of the tragedy,

00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.080
and at the same time
irreverence and lightness,

00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:28.520
a carefree mentality.

00:44:32.560 --> 00:44:35.400
He risks his life for nothing,

00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.920
just for the gesture,
for the beauty of the gesture,

00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.440
for the elegance.
What strikes me the most,

00:44:42.640 --> 00:44:46.560
is their carefree and faint
relationship with death.

00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.160
For a long time, I have
tried to bring closer

00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.600
the figure of the actor
to that of a bullfighter,

00:45:01.720 --> 00:45:05.520
and then I have tried to
distance them, to unlink them,

00:45:05.640 --> 00:45:08.600
because it’s not the same,
a bullfighter is something different.

00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:12.600
Even though the bullfighters
that I have spoken to

00:45:12.720 --> 00:45:16.840
tell me that we have
the same job, that they are similar.

00:45:17.200 --> 00:45:20.720
But I tell them they're not,
that the bull is for real.

00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.560
It's real, yes.
They stand on two scenes, if I may say

00:45:24.640 --> 00:45:27.280
they expose themselves
to the audience

00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.040
and to the horns.

00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:41.600
I admire bullfighters.

00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.360
I value what they do.

00:45:46.720 --> 00:45:48.520
I like what they are.

00:45:51.680 --> 00:45:55.440
When a bull charges me, I run.
That's normal, I'm a man.

00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.320
When a bull charges a bullfighter,

00:45:58.520 --> 00:46:02.000
he stays where he is.
Normal, he's a bullfighter.

00:46:03.520 --> 00:46:05.960
That is the first act
of a bullfighter.

00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:11.600
His ethics: to remain himself,
to be ‘bullfighter’.

00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:17.160
To not yield territory
to his adversary, to his fear,

00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.040
despite risking his own death.

00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.160
One is ‘bullfighter’ while facing a bull.

00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.000
But one is also ‘bullfighter’
without a bullfight.

00:46:28.720 --> 00:46:31.400
It is also a way of
forgetting his own body.

00:46:33.200 --> 00:46:35.800
Such ethic is aristocratic,

00:46:36.520 --> 00:46:38.440
but it is directed to everyone.

00:46:39.720 --> 00:46:41.600
It's the combat of the brave,

00:46:41.680 --> 00:46:44.800
of children who dream
as they pretend to be musketeers.

00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:46.920
Not the life of an adult

00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.680
who wakes up with
the morning newspaper.

00:46:49.680 --> 00:46:51.480
I admire that moral,

00:46:51.600 --> 00:46:55.840
inherited from old wisdom
and medieval heroism,

00:46:56.120 --> 00:46:58.480
that sometimes allows me to escape

00:46:58.680 --> 00:47:00.600
the mediocrity of the day-to-day.

00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.360
- Please, hold this for a moment?
- Okay.

00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:00.880
Do you think that one day bullfighting
will definitively be banned?

00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.920
There are two possible types of death
for bullfighting,

00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.080
a natural death
or a violent death.

00:48:10.200 --> 00:48:16.800
I think that, like any human thing,
bullfighting will disappear one day,

00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.760
when there isn't a fan base,

00:48:20.080 --> 00:48:26.200
and when there isn't a reason to breed
that type of fierce bull for bullfighting.

00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:31.040
But we should avoid a violent death,

00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.120
in other words an assassination.

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.600
Even though I'm not a fan
of bullfighting,

00:50:05.680 --> 00:50:10.720
I find absolutely revolting

00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.640
the way people protest bullfighting

00:50:16.040 --> 00:50:19.080
with such aggression
and violence.

00:50:19.160 --> 00:50:24.000
It is our philosophy in Art Press
to oppose any type of censure,

00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:27.600
in literature, in cinema, in art,

00:50:27.680 --> 00:50:30.200
and of course also in regards
to bullfighting.

00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.960
This was another one of the reasons
that led us to publish this edition.

00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.160
One of the problems
of the artistic vanguard,

00:50:40.240 --> 00:50:42.600
is that it's often not related to truth.

00:50:42.680 --> 00:50:46.400
The moment we approach
artistic creation from a purely

00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:50.840
subjective perspective,
there is no art, only artists.

00:50:51.040 --> 00:50:53.800
That's a problem that has not occurred
with bullfighting as an art form,

00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.800
because truth is
always present.

00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.840
The truth that is
present is the bull,

00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.880
you can't bullfight
without a bull,

00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.520
the further you shy away
from risk,

00:51:03.600 --> 00:51:06.680
from the axis of that sublime art,
which is risk,

00:51:07.600 --> 00:51:11.760
the less your artistic
work will be valued.

00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:26.920
This similarity with "performance" art
is interesting,

00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.720
because it's true that part of art,

00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.560
and the idea of art in
the twentieth century,

00:51:34.640 --> 00:51:39.640
tried to suppress
the idea of representation.

00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:43.840
This was Rauschenberg’s discourse,

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.400
to eliminate the barrier
between art and life;

00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.520
thus, suppressing or slimming

00:51:49.600 --> 00:51:53.360
the limit between life and death.

00:51:53.520 --> 00:52:00.280
I would say that bullfights
deepen this search.

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.080
I think that bullfighting needs
an intermediary,

00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.000
these days it’s television
or cinema,

00:52:09.120 --> 00:52:12.920
but since it's an ephemeral art
that disappears,

00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:16.920
and that does not leave a trace,
at the beginning...

00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.920
...it needed to be perpetuated
by culture in works of art,

00:52:22.040 --> 00:52:25.960
and in literature as well,
it exists thanks to these arts.

00:52:26.080 --> 00:52:28.800
That’s why from the beginning
there has been

00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:33.640
such a close relationship
between bullfighters

00:52:33.720 --> 00:52:35.800
and intellectuals and artists.

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.080
There are very well-known duos,

00:52:38.120 --> 00:52:40.200
like Montherlant, French writer,
and Belmonte,

00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.600
like... Barceló...

00:52:43.680 --> 00:52:45.480
and Francis Wolff, etc.

00:52:55.040 --> 00:52:56.040
Hello.

00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:58.840
Thank you.

00:52:59.080 --> 00:53:00.840
I love this color.

00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.200
Hello, how are you?

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.680
- Hi.
- This is the team, Jesús.

00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:14.920
Aarón, and David.

00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.720
Can you give us a tour of the workshop?
That would be great.

00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:19.680
I'm going to show you
a few things...

00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.400
...but not a tour of the workshop,
I don’t like to show it.

00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.040
I started to paint bulls because
I liked them as a subject,

00:53:31.120 --> 00:53:34.040
and afterwards I began liking them
because I was painting them.

00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:36.640
At first, I started painting
oysters because

00:53:36.680 --> 00:53:39.680
I liked how Matisse
and Manet painted them,

00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.560
and then I discovered they tasted good,
and now I like them a lot

00:53:42.640 --> 00:53:44.880
and I keep on painting them.

00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.800
When I was little I would go
to bullfights, and I liked them,

00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.520
afterwards I started hating them
around the time of Cordobés

00:53:50.600 --> 00:53:54.520
because all my school teachers,
horrible fascists,

00:53:54.600 --> 00:53:56.800
they were fans
of Real Madrid and Cordobés,

00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.640
so I stopped being interested,
I didn't watch it on TV at all.

00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.720
Then I started liking bullfighting again
in the eighties,

00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:05.920
because I became friends with Esplá,

00:54:06.040 --> 00:54:07.720
Romero and some other
bullfighters.

00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.920
- Where's the Bergamín piece?
- Let me see if I can find it,

00:54:11.040 --> 00:54:16.240
let me see if I can find
it over here, let's see.

00:54:17.680 --> 00:54:19.320
It's red...

00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.480
Red like a...

00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.520
There's been a lot of animals in my work,
they are always present,

00:54:36.600 --> 00:54:38.640
I like animals
more than people.

00:54:39.080 --> 00:54:41.240
And then talking about
the Chauvet caves,

00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.960
and how they only
represented animals,

00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:47.200
they hardly painted any
humans. Then I thought,

00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.560
"maybe we're going back to
this type of humanism,

00:54:49.640 --> 00:54:53.400
of recognizing the animal..."
I would rather say

00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.360
- it's a discredit to what being human is.
- Exactly.

00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:59.120
Cause humans no
longer get any credit.

00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.560
The arena, the bullring,

00:55:19.680 --> 00:55:23.160
is like a beach in the morning,

00:55:23.240 --> 00:55:27.280
all clean and smooth
without any memory,

00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:28.840
and after a few hours

00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.400
it has all the reminiscence
of what went on there.

00:55:31.520 --> 00:55:34.360
So, you can see on it
all the drawings,

00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.320
you can see the memory
of the bullfight,

00:55:38.560 --> 00:55:39.600
and...

00:55:39.680 --> 00:55:42.840
with those divisions and...

00:55:43.560 --> 00:55:48.720
And stains of blood,
and with the fallen banderillas,

00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:54.440
the remains, for example of a cushion
or carnation that someone may have thrown.

00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:01.360
When García Lorca differentiates
the art of the 'duende',

00:56:01.520 --> 00:56:06.560
from the art of the muse
and of transcendent religion,

00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.200
he does an absolutely fantastic job.

00:56:10.600 --> 00:56:13.760
Because it frees us
from asking ourselves...

00:56:14.560 --> 00:56:18.400
...if bullfighting is an art
in the classic sense.

00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.000
It is an art, but in a
totally different way,

00:56:21.080 --> 00:56:23.440
it's an art in the sense
of the "duende".

00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.240
The question "is bullfighting an art?"

00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.280
Has always seemed futile to me.

00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.040
The origin of art
is mankind's eagerness

00:56:39.120 --> 00:56:41.600
to turn an alien world
into a familiar world.

00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.640
With that in mind,
they mold a natural object

00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:47.080
so they can leave their own
stamp on the world.

00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:52.800
Art is the inscription
of a human form on raw material.

00:57:01.120 --> 00:57:03.600
The work is born

00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.600
by how the bullfighter
forms, informs, transforms,

00:57:07.680 --> 00:57:10.240
chisels that vital force,

00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:13.480
depriving it of any
unforeseen savagery.

00:57:15.520 --> 00:57:17.240
Defusing that nature

00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.880
and making it
according to one's will,

00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.080
to the compass
and rhythm of man,

00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:26.240
but also twisting it against
it's own nature,

00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:28.640
in order to domesticate
and humanize it.

00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:39.960
The bullfighter transforms the natural
rectitude into a perfect curve.

00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.680
It's that the curve is poetry,

00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.280
while the straight line is nothing
but the prose of the shortest path.

00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:52.640
The bull's charge has become vain,
scrubbed of any animal violence.

00:57:53.200 --> 00:57:55.600
It has been humanized
little by little,

00:57:55.720 --> 00:57:58.920
curve, slow and faint.

00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:23.480
The idea...

00:58:24.600 --> 00:58:27.520
...of death does not exist
in the bullfighter's mind.

00:58:27.600 --> 00:58:31.880
He is afraid of dying artistically
in front of the bull,

00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:38.200
of a bull revealing
his own ignorance or clumsiness.

00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:44.960
What they are really afraid of
is the bull killing them as artists.

00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:47.920
They're not afraid of death.

00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.600
What is it that drives a bullfighter

00:58:50.680 --> 00:58:54.400
to keep on bullfighting
after being rammed by a bull?

00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:01.760
Why does one keep repeating
a behavior when this action leads you,

00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:05.680
or not, to a situation
where you may die,

00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.400
or at least, close to death?

00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:12.880
So, the whole death drive
process is there.

00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:50.840
A bullfighter has never asked
me, "Am I going to die?".

00:59:51.080 --> 00:59:56.560
Death for them is living a bad life.

00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.920
For example,
a bullfighter that cannot walk,

01:00:00.040 --> 01:00:03.120
that cannot bullfight, a bullfighter
that has become paralyzed,

01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:05.600
and some of them well,
they leave this world

01:00:05.720 --> 01:00:07.200
because they want to.

01:00:09.240 --> 01:00:12.520
They're not afraid of death,
they carry death with them,

01:00:12.720 --> 01:00:14.800
it's their travel companion.

01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.480
They are perfectly aware
that it just takes one centimeter

01:00:19.560 --> 01:00:22.360
for the horn to move either way
for them to die.

01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:24.400
They know that
and they accept it.

01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:28.280
They accept it as a travel companion,
which is something that we don't do.

01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:32.840
That’s why their philosophy
is completely different from ours.

01:00:42.520 --> 01:00:45.040
One of the catchphrases
against bullfighting is

01:00:45.160 --> 01:00:46.960
"Death is not a spectacle",

01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.200
and the protesters are right,

01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.160
we should never make a spectacle
out of a human death.

01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.160
It offends his dignity.

01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.840
But these outraged people
could not put it any better,

01:01:00.080 --> 01:01:03.160
the angriness that
they feel is a confession

01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:04.920
of a reality of our time.

01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:10.320
That death should be invisible.
It has become dishonorable.

01:01:12.720 --> 01:01:14.800
Is it not that our era
wishes to hide death

01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:16.720
as if it was a shameful disease?

01:01:18.680 --> 01:01:22.320
Our lives have banished all rituals,

01:01:22.600 --> 01:01:26.040
especially those that had
some type of connection with death.

01:01:28.600 --> 01:01:30.880
We no longer see funeral
processions in the cities,

01:01:31.040 --> 01:01:33.720
or signs of mourning
on house doors,

01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.520
or visible signs of affliction.

01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:41.600
Human death has migrated
to aseptic clinics,

01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.880
or to anonymous nursing homes.

01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:49.360
Our secularized epoch praises
existence without risks,

01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.440
an eternal youth, life without death,

01:01:52.560 --> 01:01:54.920
everyone young and
good-looking, then immortal.

01:01:57.200 --> 01:01:58.960
In regards to animal death,

01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:01.200
that of the chicken or the pig,

01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:03.640
it used to be part of domestic life,

01:02:03.720 --> 01:02:07.360
a family communion that marked
the passage of days.

01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:11.120
It is humane to accompany the death of an animal

01:02:11.200 --> 01:02:15.080
respecting it with a ritual or expiatory ceremony.

01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:19.240
Our productivist societies
are an exception,

01:02:19.520 --> 01:02:23.240
they prefer killing in
an industrial slaughterhouse.

01:02:23.560 --> 01:02:27.360
A cold hidden and silent death,

01:02:27.640 --> 01:02:30.880
that doesn't offend anyone,
because no one sees it.

01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.560
Hats! Hats!
Get your hats!

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.640
Get your cushion!
Buy it!

01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:04.600
- Do you want a bag of Frida Kahlo?
- No.

01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.320
- The idea is to hold it...
- Yes.

01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.440
but you must hold it
firmly with your hand

01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:14.160
- and eat it little by little.
- In pieces.

01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:18.000
One... two... three.

01:04:21.640 --> 01:04:24.520
As you see, eating a 'tostada'
requires its own philosophy, Francis.

01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:37.920
When someone is not part of this
culture, and they don't know

01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:40.680
the values, the norms, the traditions...

01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:43.640
the type of affinity
it involves with the animal,

01:04:43.720 --> 01:04:47.480
the normal view is to say
how can you mistreat an animal

01:04:47.560 --> 01:04:49.840
killing it in public, it’s horrible.

01:04:50.040 --> 01:04:52.800
But it's a very recent position

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.520
in the evolution of our
sensibility.

01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.280
If you see the recent reactions

01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.680
when a bullfighter died
in the arena...

01:05:04.560 --> 01:05:10.040
...instead of a compassionate reaction
or one of mourning,

01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:12.240
people said "one scoundrel less",

01:05:12.560 --> 01:05:15.360
or "a sadist has been eliminated".

01:06:04.160 --> 01:06:06.880
I’m proud of being the fifth generation,

01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:09.080
it's been a little more than
one hundred and fifty years

01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.720
that we have been breeding
bullfighting bulls here in Rancho Seco.

01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:14.960
-You too Juan?
-Yes sir.

01:06:15.040 --> 01:06:17.160
Five generations also?

01:06:17.240 --> 01:06:19.160
Five generations also here
in Rancho Seco.

01:06:19.520 --> 01:06:22.960
And you know all the cows,
all the bulls?

01:06:23.080 --> 01:06:25.800
- Yes, sir.
- Their names, their numbers.

01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:27.360
I live with them everyday.

01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.000
- And you like this?
- Yes, I love it.

01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:35.600
And Juan, when you see
your bulls going to fight,

01:06:35.680 --> 01:06:39.640
to face combat in the ring,
how do you feel?

01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:41.120
Well...

01:06:41.520 --> 01:06:45.000
Nothing.
They're animals that go to fight,

01:06:45.240 --> 01:06:46.960
some of them have their life spared

01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:49.760
and they come back here
to where they were born.

01:06:50.040 --> 01:06:54.400
You were telling me
about the environment,

01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.560
regarding what is
ecologically preserved here.

01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.880
We have seen eagles for example,
falcons,

01:07:02.520 --> 01:07:05.640
it's thanks to the breeding
of these bulls

01:07:05.720 --> 01:07:08.320
that those birds roam here.

01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.880
That's right, Francis.
The truth is that

01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:12.560
the bullfighting bulls
protect the ecology,

01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.160
if we didn’t have bullfighting bulls
we wouldn't have eagles, rabbits,

01:07:16.240 --> 01:07:19.720
or the wildlife that we have
here in Tlaxcala.

01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:22.720
Thanks to the bulls
we can see all those animals

01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:24.800
that other places don't have.

01:08:44.120 --> 01:08:48.040
The altar is a custom that us
people from Tlaxcala have

01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:51.039
to honor those
who have died.

01:08:51.160 --> 01:08:53.880
It’s very moving for us...

01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:58.880
...to see how the deceased
are alive.

01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.519
Yes, for us yes, it's a way...

01:09:04.040 --> 01:09:06.840
...to know that they arrive,
you know?

01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.080
- That we have them here.
- That they live in our hearts,

01:09:10.160 --> 01:09:13.680
in our soul and in our memory.

01:09:17.080 --> 01:09:22.280
Every time a bull comes out,
we feel fear.

01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.279
You're facing the unknown,

01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:29.359
no bull is alike, you don’t know
what you’re going to face,

01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.119
we're risking our life.

01:09:31.200 --> 01:09:35.040
Often you say goodbye
to your family,

01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:37.560
thinking you might not return.

01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:43.640
In the end, I think we're
all afraid of death.

01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:52.240
I believe that the existence of risk,
the notion of risk...

01:09:53.040 --> 01:09:54.880
...is very important...

01:09:56.400 --> 01:09:58.160
...in a bullfight.

01:09:59.200 --> 01:10:00.840
But also in the love

01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:05.040
and passion that
I can feel for bullfights.

01:10:05.160 --> 01:10:08.680
A bullfight without risk
doesn't make sense.

01:10:09.320 --> 01:10:12.320
One feels that at any time...

01:10:13.080 --> 01:10:14.960
...the bullfighter might get...

01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:20.280
- impaled.
- But that imminent feeling

01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:23.640
always should be present.

01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:26.840
Yes. It's the price to pay
in order to justify bullfighting.

01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:28.160
That's right.

01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:36.600
I think that element of fear,

01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:39.080
of expectation, or indeed of fear...

01:10:40.200 --> 01:10:44.360
is a part of the ritual,

01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.040
and when that element is there,

01:10:47.160 --> 01:10:50.520
it makes the bullfight
more thrilling, of course.

01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:53.160
Danger is what sometimes

01:10:53.240 --> 01:10:57.560
connects the bullfighter
with the public

01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.720
in the most sublime way.

01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:15.880
Fear is a knot in the stomach...

01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:18.440
it's nausea...

01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:20.320
sweat...

01:11:21.120 --> 01:11:23.000
defecation...

01:11:23.400 --> 01:11:24.840
vomit...

01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:26.560
it's something terrible...

01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:30.400
it's something
that devours a person.

01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.360
It is very difficult to resist fear...

01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.400
it is there,
and one has to deal with it.

01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:44.760
It's probably the most
destructive thing.

01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.080
I think we die out of fear;

01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:54.080
"dying of fear"
is not just an expression.

01:11:55.080 --> 01:11:58.360
Surely, at the moment one dies,

01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:00.480
what kills you is fear itself.

01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:12.800
Dangerous animals,
a drunk, a cocaine addict,

01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:14.840
a drug addict comes at you
with a gun...

01:12:15.240 --> 01:12:16.440
all that is very scary.

01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:19.120
But the bull provokes terror;
it incites an ancestral fear

01:12:19.200 --> 01:12:24.920
that comes from a part of the brain
connected to...

01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.560
very ancient worlds.

01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:33.120
It's a similar fear
to a child's fear to darkness.

01:12:33.200 --> 01:12:35.720
When you are eight, ten,
eleven years old,

01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:40.160
usually your parents
or your family,

01:12:40.320 --> 01:12:44.920
try for you to get rid of your fears,
the fear of darkness.

01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:46.960
But with child bullfighters,

01:12:47.080 --> 01:12:50.360
what they do instead
is get them used to fear,

01:12:50.480 --> 01:12:55.880
which is the complete opposite
of what happens in a normal life.

01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.520
Arm extended, Tadeo.

01:13:34.440 --> 01:13:36.640
Like that, good!

01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:43.400
Good, like that.

01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:58.200
Bullfighting shows death for real
the necessary death of the bull,

01:13:58.280 --> 01:14:00.480
and the always possible
death of the bullfighter.

01:14:01.440 --> 01:14:04.640
Without death, bullfighting
would not have any symbolic value,

01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:07.160
because it is the story
of the heroic fight

01:14:07.280 --> 01:14:09.040
and the demise of every animal,

01:14:09.320 --> 01:14:13.120
"it lived, fought, and died".

01:14:14.240 --> 01:14:17.880
Without death, bullfights
would not have any ethical value,

01:14:18.200 --> 01:14:21.760
because the moral of bullfighting
is that no one has the right

01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:26.360
to kill the respected animal,
if one's life is not put on the line.

01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:29.120
That is what I see,

01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:31.240
that is what I feel,

01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.720
despite being so horrified
by blood and violence.

01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.360
And you,

01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.360
whom identifies so much
with the bull...

01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:43.680
Would you prefer to live life
as a slave

01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:45.440
and die in the slaughterhouse?

01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.560
Or live free and die fighting?

01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:06.560
Something difficult to admit
in today's society,

01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.120
is that one can love,
to such a degree,

01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:13.440
an animal that wants to kill you.

01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:15.960
Because that animal
wants to see you dead.

01:15:16.040 --> 01:15:17.520
You're in its territory,

01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:21.400
it wants to oust you
and kill you...

01:15:22.040 --> 01:15:25.880
And love to such a degree an animal
that you're going to kill,

01:15:26.080 --> 01:15:30.120
and for the audience to love
that animal so much as well.

01:15:30.200 --> 01:15:34.120
What’s scandalous is how
that love mingles with death.

01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:36.640
Every time I go to the bullfights,

01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:39.800
the death of the bull
implies my own death.

01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:46.360
I don't disassociate myself
from the process of life and death

01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:49.400
from the bull that
comes out and dies,

01:15:49.480 --> 01:15:52.520
when it dies,
a part of me is dying.

01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:58.960
The execution of the bull
is the definitive demonstration

01:15:59.080 --> 01:16:01.000
of laying your life, for the last time,

01:16:01.040 --> 01:16:05.760
on the horns of the bull,
which could mean your own death,

01:16:06.040 --> 01:16:08.240
so you can give sacrifice to it,

01:16:08.480 --> 01:16:12.240
and it's one of most
truthful moments.

01:16:12.400 --> 01:16:15.920
And precisely because of its status
as a fierce animal, it deserves to die

01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.840
in public and not hidden
in a slaughterhouse.

01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:41.280
One can go to an arena in Seville
and eat a Caldereta

01:17:41.400 --> 01:17:43.840
made from the tail of a bull
that has been fought.

01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:46.200
One can eat bull's testicles
at Mexico's Bullring,

01:17:46.320 --> 01:17:48.520
after each bull is slain,
one can witness

01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:50.960
the butchering of the animal
in the slaughterhouse

01:17:51.080 --> 01:17:53.920
of Mexico's Bullring and eat
the bull that has just been killed.

01:17:56.840 --> 01:18:00.040
The anti-bullfighting crowd
are people that think that

01:18:00.120 --> 01:18:04.120
you can eliminate death,
which is an utopia.

01:18:04.200 --> 01:18:07.520
- Or evil.
- Yes, or evil, exactly.

01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:11.560
This is an utopia, and there is
nothing more dangerous than utopists.

01:18:12.080 --> 01:18:14.640
We can say that now
that we are in the twenty-first century,

01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:18.640
and we’ve seen the effect of achieved
utopias in the twentieth century,

01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:21.720
we know that they are very dangerous.

01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:23.920
If bullfighting were to
disappear one day,

01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:26.920
what would also disappear
with it would not only be

01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:30.560
that model of beauty,
that for moments is sublime,

01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:31.960
and in other moments is mediocre.

01:18:32.040 --> 01:18:34.640
- Yes, that also happens with painting.
- Exactly.

01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:38.480
What would disappear
would be the idea of transgression.

01:19:14.320 --> 01:19:18.600
In Spain, they're starting
to stop liking bullfights.

01:19:19.400 --> 01:19:20.480
Curious.

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:22.240
I have the feeling...

01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:28.520
...that it has betrayed us,
and that it betrays itself;

01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.640
that Spain denies its past,

01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.800
its identity, its history
through bullfighting.

01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:36.520
Yes, and it's very sad.

01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:40.120
I think this is due
to various reasons, it's a fad.

01:19:40.440 --> 01:19:44.400
It's also politically correct...

01:19:45.440 --> 01:19:46.800
...and finally...

01:19:48.320 --> 01:19:49.640
...there is...

01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:54.240
...this general falling out of love
with the past.

01:19:55.200 --> 01:19:59.880
As if the future
could be more beautiful...

01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:03.960
more possible,
more magnificent, without the past.

01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.120
Now I think we are
in French Catalonia,

01:20:09.200 --> 01:20:14.880
because Catalonia is not only
Spanish, it's also French,

01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:18.000
and an interesting thing,

01:20:18.120 --> 01:20:23.720
is that there are a lot
of towns and villages here

01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:25.680
that are very into bullfighting.

01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:29.920
But didn't they ban
bullfighting in Catalonia?

01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.640
Yes, but in Spanish Catalonia.
It's an interesting thing;

01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:38.920
nationalism in Catalonia could be
in favor of bullfighting like in France,

01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:41.400
or against bullfighting like in Spain.

01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:57.400
We firmly agree with a banner
in the plaza that says

01:20:57.480 --> 01:20:59.920
that we are Catalans
and bullfighting fans.

01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:04.000
In other words,
there is no incompatibility

01:21:04.080 --> 01:21:08.440
with being Catalan
and being a bullfighting fan.

01:21:09.400 --> 01:21:12.880
And they can think whatever
they want on the other side.

01:21:17.440 --> 01:21:20.640
CATALANS ARE HERE!

01:21:33.240 --> 01:21:36.760
We're thirty minutes from the border.

01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:39.640
Perfect,
we'll arrive just in time for

01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:42.520
- the sequence with Víctor.
- Good morning.

01:21:43.240 --> 01:21:44.840
Slept well?

01:21:45.160 --> 01:21:46.680
How are you?

01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:49.120
Well, more or less...
It's just that...

01:21:49.400 --> 01:21:52.560
I'm not going with you guys
to Barcelona.

01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:55.920
I'm not going because after
the bullfighting prohibition in Barcelona

01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:58.840
I have written this book
"WE WON'T GO TO BARCELONA  ANYMORE".

01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:00.600
What do you mean
you're not coming?

01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:03.080
I’ve have decided I’m not going.

01:22:03.200 --> 01:22:06.760
- But we're just about to leave.
- You guys go, not me.

01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:09.120
But why didn't you tell us
last night?

01:22:09.240 --> 01:22:11.600
Because I've considered
during the night,

01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:14.560
that a philosopher needs
to be consistent.

01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:18.800
- So I'm not going.
- But wait a minute...

01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.280
Consistency
is the minimum requirement

01:22:21.360 --> 01:22:25.640
for a writer that has the ambition
to be a philosopher.

01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:27.520
And what should we
say to Víctor?

01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:28.920
I'll explain this to Víctor, ok?

01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:32.880
Víctor will easily understand this.
He’s a philosopher too.

01:22:35.200 --> 01:22:36.400
What do we do now?

01:22:37.320 --> 01:22:39.520
Well, we can't go to Barcelona
without him.

01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:40.840
Why not?

01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:52.080
What does the book say?

01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:56.600
It’s a compilation of essays
by several authors.

01:22:57.520 --> 01:22:59.840
Let’s see... it begins like this:

01:23:00.440 --> 01:23:02.280
“We will no longer go to Barcelona.

01:23:03.360 --> 01:23:10.120
"On July 28th 2010, Catalonia’s parliament
voted to ban bullfights.

01:23:10.320 --> 01:23:13.160
"The immediate reasons
are already known:

01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:16.800
"Nationalist fever,
the anti-Spain sentiment,

01:23:17.080 --> 01:23:19.720
"political circumstances, etc.

01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:23.240
"To imagine a future without Spain,

01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:28.000
"Barcelona must reinvent its past
without bullfights.”

01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:14.960
CLOSED

01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:23.000
It's a place that fortunately,
I've been to many times

01:24:23.080 --> 01:24:27.600
attending great events
that I would describe as spiritual.

01:24:29.200 --> 01:24:31.480
A lot of things have fallen
in human history,

01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:35.520
why wouldn't a big tragic festivity
like bullfighting tumble?

01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:38.920
Now, for a tragic festivity to exist,

01:24:39.160 --> 01:24:41.760
one needs to agree that tragedy
is part of the human condition.

01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:45.720
Why did it stop? Well obviously,
there is a political reason

01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.800
that I can't question,

01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.080
the Catalonian parliament voted
democratically to ban it,

01:24:51.200 --> 01:24:53.720
and there's nothing one can say,
I come to terms with it.

01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:57.320
The bull suffers.

01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:01.680
I think it's beyond
any reasonable doubt

01:25:01.760 --> 01:25:03.600
that bulls suffer.

01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.840
These bulls don't constitute
any type of species,

01:25:06.920 --> 01:25:10.600
one could say that Bos Taurus
bulls are the cows' spouses,

01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:13.000
bullfighting bulls
are like normal cows,

01:25:13.080 --> 01:25:19.000
they're simply not excessively
selected to give milk.

01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:21.640
The bullfighter

01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:25.000
is in a position of superiority
towards the bull,

01:25:25.120 --> 01:25:29.680
because the bull is in a trap,
in a place where it can't leave.

01:25:30.200 --> 01:25:33.120
Therefore, the fact there is
an inequality of conditions

01:25:33.200 --> 01:25:35.040
makes the competition unfair.

01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:37.200
The voting begins.

01:25:38.320 --> 01:25:41.600
Legislative Decree 2/2008,

01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:44.720
has been approved
by sixty-eight votes in favor,

01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.160
fifty-five votes against
and nine abstentions.

01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:23.000
This is the old ‘Las Arenas’ bullring,

01:26:23.080 --> 01:26:26.720
which was very important
for many years.

01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:31.080
I remember seeing bullfighters
such as Aparicio for the first time.

01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:36.560
This space is the repudiation
of all spirituality.

01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:43.160
It's true that bullfighting
was slowly dying,

01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:45.120
the bullfighting arenas,

01:26:45.200 --> 01:26:48.440
not this one because it wasn't here
anymore, but the Monumental Arena,

01:26:49.120 --> 01:26:53.800
it was only vibrant and full

01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:55.720
right at the end when José Tomás
used to bullfight.

01:26:55.800 --> 01:27:00.640
If the legal ban hadn't occurred,

01:27:01.040 --> 01:27:03.880
it would have probably
died by inertia.

01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:07.080
Death by inanition.

01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:14.160
I was a big fan of bullfighting,

01:27:14.320 --> 01:27:20.200
but one day I saw a bullfighter
that was very, very bad.

01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:24.040
He tried to kill the bull
like ten times,

01:27:24.200 --> 01:27:27.200
then he stabbed it in
the back of the neck

01:27:27.280 --> 01:27:29.600
and tried like eight
or ten more times,

01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.800
he was very, very bad,

01:27:33.040 --> 01:27:36.880
and for the first time I became
aware of the suffering of the animal.

01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:40.000
That day, I left the arena
and I felt so bad,

01:27:40.080 --> 01:27:42.160
that I stopped being a fan,

01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:44.800
but I'm not against bullfighting.

01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:48.200
I respect it,
I still respect those who like it.

01:27:48.200 --> 01:27:50.680
But I don't go to
bullfights anymore.

01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:57.880
Bullfighting in Spain, as it has been shown
with the ban in Catalonia

01:27:58.040 --> 01:28:02.920
closely resembles
a minoritarian artistic movement,

01:28:03.040 --> 01:28:08.320
it’s an irreverent exponent of artistic
freedom in the face of morality

01:28:08.400 --> 01:28:10.640
and when irreverence
has ensued against morality,

01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:13.440
it has always been at risk
of being prohibited

01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.760
and that’s the case, it’s not impossible
for it to be prohibited.

01:28:17.120 --> 01:28:20.320
It's torture, not culture!

01:28:20.400 --> 01:28:25.240
Abolition, abolition...!

01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:35.560
"WHEN IT INVOLVES
THE SUFFERING OF OTHERS"

01:28:55.240 --> 01:28:56.760
They're going to win for sure.

01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:00.840
Tomorrow,

01:29:01.320 --> 01:29:02.600
in five years,

01:29:03.200 --> 01:29:05.600
in twenty, bullfighting will die.

01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:09.640
Or it will survive,
in an archaic way.

01:29:10.160 --> 01:29:12.640
In half a dozen strongholds
that will give shelter

01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:14.760
to a handful of nostalgic old-timers.

01:29:18.080 --> 01:29:19.440
Yes, they will win...

01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:20.920
IS TORTURE LEGAL?

01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:24.600
...and I may be showing off
but I know it’s a lost cause.

01:29:26.000 --> 01:29:28.320
My fight for the survival
of bullfighting is in vain.

01:29:28.440 --> 01:29:30.440
I just hope that I die
before it does.

01:29:33.480 --> 01:29:35.040
You will win;

01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:37.920
don't think I don't understand you.

01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:41.000
I understand you much better

01:29:41.080 --> 01:29:43.560
than you understand me
and my fellow men.

01:29:44.080 --> 01:29:47.560
You think I'm evil;
I know that you are good.

01:29:49.160 --> 01:29:52.080
I know all too well the fire
cast by your eyes,

01:29:52.160 --> 01:29:54.400
I know exactly what you feel.

01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:56.200
Compassion?

01:29:56.400 --> 01:29:59.360
I feel it every day in the face
of the suffering of people,

01:29:59.480 --> 01:30:02.160
and even before that of
the animals that are massacred

01:30:02.240 --> 01:30:05.480
and objectified by productivism.

01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:10.800
Yes, tomorrow bullfighting will die.

01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:14.160
We'll all be vegetarians,
who knows,

01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.760
and animals may be whole
and complete persons.

01:30:18.080 --> 01:30:19.840
They will have individual rights

01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:23.520
and personal interests,
as authentic free citizens

01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:24.840
of our moral Republic.

01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.120
You will win, for sure.

01:30:31.160 --> 01:30:34.440
But will the animals
end up winning?

01:30:38.120 --> 01:30:40.840
It's true that bulls will no
longer die in the arena,

01:30:41.400 --> 01:30:44.720
they will have died
in the slaughterhouse,

01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:46.440
useless.

01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:50.880
And humanity is the one
that will end up losing.

01:30:54.040 --> 01:30:57.120
Today bullfighting,
tomorrow hunting,

01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:01.320
fishing, and thousands of stories
of men and animals.

01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:06.880
What animality will we have left
to populate our millennial dreams?

01:31:09.200 --> 01:31:13.200
I don't want to live
in that world of aseptic violence.

01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:16.960
Maybe it will be
a "Brave New World",

01:31:17.480 --> 01:31:19.080
but think about it well,

01:31:20.040 --> 01:31:22.320
will it truly be a better world?

01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:51.040
All the couples that we have met,

01:31:51.160 --> 01:31:54.840
that don't share
this passion have split.

01:31:56.800 --> 01:32:02.800
On July 14, 1973 in Pamplona,
a historic bullfight took place.

01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.160
There was a unique ambient,
with thunder and lighting,

01:32:06.280 --> 01:32:07.840
the maestro was phenomenal,

01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:11.880
he was bullfighting with water
up to his ankles. It was crazy;

01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:15.080
we stayed there,
three quarters of an hour or an hour...

01:32:16.200 --> 01:32:19.200
...completely stunned
by what we had seen.

01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:21.240
And after that,

01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:23.160
we decided to get married.

01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.960
Life is short,
but life as a couple is long.

01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:31.080
Is long.

01:32:39.440 --> 01:32:45.400
Yes, with almost fifty years
behind me as a philosopher

01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:47.720
I believe I deserve to rest.

01:32:48.240 --> 01:32:52.000
An active philosopher
strives for wisdom;

01:32:52.120 --> 01:32:55.280
an emeritus philosopher
has already achieved it.

01:32:58.360 --> 01:33:00.960
Now I'll speak slowly...

01:33:02.200 --> 01:33:06.280
...sighing between syllables
with a tired breath.

01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:10.040
To hell with concepts,
I'll only speak using metaphors.

01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:12.960
I shall foretell that
there will be no science,

01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:17.800
or man, or subject, or essence,
or reason, only sense.

01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.400
That is, ultimately, nonsense.

01:33:22.160 --> 01:33:24.120
That is what I would do
starting tomorrow...

01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:26.080
if by being emeritus...

01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:29.920
the demon of philosophy...

01:33:30.280 --> 01:33:32.640
abandons me.

01:33:33.480 --> 01:33:37.600
So, what I wish is not to reach
the age of wisdom...

01:33:38.080 --> 01:33:42.000
but to always have
as many friends...

01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:44.560
as there are here today.

01:33:45.040 --> 01:33:46.960
I hope that you,

01:33:47.120 --> 01:33:50.240
my kin, all my friends
and for myself,

01:33:50.560 --> 01:33:52.640
that we will never be wise,

01:33:53.120 --> 01:33:55.640
that we leave this world
as late as possible,

01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:57.600
and that we leave serenely,

01:33:57.680 --> 01:34:01.600
that is, with the feeling
of having finished living.

01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:04.480
This is applicable
to any fresh start.

01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:07.480
So, I say to you,
I leave quietly. I have finished.

01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:27.200
The career of Francis Wolff

01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:31.000
is not superficial at all.

01:34:31.320 --> 01:34:34.840
Instead of playing golf

01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:38.720
he prefers bullfighting.

01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:42.520
Confronting the horned beasts

01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:46.240
that challenged him,

01:34:46.440 --> 01:34:49.840
Francis surpassed the limits

01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:53.920
in the arena of philosophy.

01:34:55.480 --> 01:34:57.400
Your Socrates,

01:34:57.480 --> 01:35:01.320
there never was a nicer disciple.

01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:05.160
My Socrates,

01:35:05.320 --> 01:35:08.480
it seems like

01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:11.600
Francis is leaving us.

01:35:22.120 --> 01:35:26.360
We are part of a very
peculiar community,

01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:31.600
and it is because of that
collective memory.

01:35:32.160 --> 01:35:35.280
Which has increasingly become
a besieged fortress.

01:35:36.480 --> 01:35:39.560
- But we are... frowned upon.
- We are frowned upon.

01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:42.720
- And this doesn't bother you.
- Not at all.

01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:45.200
- Me neither.
- Very good.

01:35:46.080 --> 01:35:47.240
Cut!

01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:06.720
He's going to pace around the ring.

01:36:09.240 --> 01:36:12.440
It's very difficult to see
those details on TV.

01:36:15.120 --> 01:36:22.680
Today's bullfight has
not been terrific.

01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:24.560
Cut!