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This film was made before
the "Woman, Life, Freedom" movement

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and the Islamic Republic’s violent repression
on the Iranian people.

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These are my two old passports.

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For almost 12 years,
I traveled regularly to Iran.

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And I met and filmed

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the defenders of the regime:
the Bassidji militiamen and the mullahs.

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This was my last day of filming in Iran.

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September 20th 2012.

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Two days later, the authorities
confiscated my passport because of the film.

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After multiple summons and hours of questioning,
they gave it back.

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The intelligence agents made it clear...

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never come back to Iran.

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After 8 years away from my country,
I've come up with a way to go back.

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I search for an Iranian refugee here in France,

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who is willing
to interrogate me in front of a camera,

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just like an agent of the Iranian regime.

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An interrogation which is completely
out of my control, while I make the movie

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lasting several hours,
or even days.

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I have no clue.

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And then...

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I'd like to return to Iran
with this film about my interrogation.

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So the man who arrests
and interrogates me...

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...sees this film.

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A film that is as much
a reflection of him as it is of me.

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I don't know...
Maybe it's just a dream or a utopia.

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But I'm convinced that if I go to prison,

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I can, with my attitude,
and especially with my film,

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push the interrogator away
from his position of power.

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I am basically trying
to make the interrogator doubt himself.

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An interrogator who is dangerous
and who scares me.

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That is my ideal scenario.

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MY WORST ENEMY
A film by Mehran Tamadon

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You go in wearing a blindfold.
It's important not to know where you are.

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In the interrogation room,
that's the scary thing, not knowing where you are.

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When they take you in, you're at war.

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They seek to defeat you.

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They took you from the streets?

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Yes. Outside the Faculty of Foreign Languages
at Allameh University.

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That's where they took me.

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How?
- At gunpoint.

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How did it happen?
- First, a man called out:

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"Mojtaba!"

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He said my name

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I said, "Yes?"

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He pretended to be heading for somewhere else.

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I laughed, turned around,
and suddenly, he grabbed my wrist.

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Then several people dragged me away.

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I was shouting because
I had no clue who they were.

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If they had shown me a warrant,
I'd have followed them, as per the law.

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They wore civilian clothes,
so I mistook them for religious militiamen.

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As I had given several interviews,

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I figured they were annoyed
and wanted revenge.

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In any case, it was horrific.

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Seeing me being grabbed,
my friends came over to help.

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Then a guy pulled a Colt pistol on them.

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My friends just stood there, frozen.

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It was such an unreal situation !

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Like some kind of painting.

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They were all standing still, perplexed.

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That moment is etched into my mind.

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The first 12 days,
the door did not open once.

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There was no night or day.
Time stopped flowing.

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No matter
how much you banged on the door...

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Still, total silence.

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All you could hear were guards shouting
to keep each other awake.

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How so?

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From both sides.
Lasting all night.

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It was non-stop.

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You have no clue what's going to happen!

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One day goes by, then a second, a third...
Four, five, six...

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On the sixth day, you...

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You can no longer sleep.

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The place is awful.

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The toilets is in the cell.

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There's no way to spend time.

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Time stops flowing, Mr. Tamadon.

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One hour lasts one whole day...

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You have nothing to do.
You wait and wait...

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There, only two minutes have passed.

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From start, they use violence.

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They make it clear they're in charge
and you're nothing.

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To crush you.

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I've seen people undergo torture
during several years.

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Just imagine
being cuffed to a radiator

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for a whole year.

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In a corridor where people
are always walking by,

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imagine someone cuffing you
to a radiator for one year.

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Did you see this?

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Yes, I saw this.

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In the hallway,
in the interrogation wing.

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Imagine a hallway like this one here

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But it's very long,
with offices on each side.

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The detainees would wait
for the interrogator to arrive.

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You'd sit and wait.

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And some were still there, poor them.
Their nickname was:

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"Hallway sleepers".
- Hallway sleepers?

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Yes...

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Hallway sleepers would get tortured

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and cuffed in the hallway
between two rounds of torture.

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Their feet bound, covered with blood.

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It was terrifying.

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You can't inflict this
upon another human being!

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But here...
you're the one interrogating me.

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That's my story.

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Could this room be used for interrogations?
- Yes, it's small and stuffy.

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They bring you in here.

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You're blindfolded, they yell, "Sit!"

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You sit down...

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This pen and paper alone,
they spell out Final Judgement!

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They say they'll reveal your secrets.
In Arabic, it's written, "Alnejatef e sedgh".

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That means, "Honesty leads to salvation".
It's written on the paper.

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If you want to be saved, tell the truth.
- But in reality, they want the opposite.

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You need to lie.

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In this place, you're forced to say
everything they want to hear, in order...

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to be saved.

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To be saved,
you must testify against yourself and others.

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Truth or lie.

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The opposite of honesty saves you.

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But it still says, "Honesty leads to salvation".

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They write out a script.

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For example, a script about "infiltration".

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They need actors.

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On one occasion,
they use Faraj Sarkohi.

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Another time, Religious Nationalists.
Or the Left.

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It's all scripted.

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And your confessions
must confirm their script.

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In other words, the interrogator is here,
inside of our head.

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Exactly.

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No doubt.

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I'd even say, that this violence,
we're able to inflict it on each other.

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That's exactly what we do!
Constantly...

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I thus ask that for this film,
we inflict this violence on each other.

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I thus ask you :
would you be able

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to inflict this form of violence on me,
in whatever form you deem acceptable?

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The violence of the interrogator.

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I don't have the temperament.
- No?

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I don't have the temperament
to question you as an interrogator.

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It's not in my nature.

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Your nature?
- It's not in my nature.

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I don't have the mindset to...

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...to sit in the interrogator's chair

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and question the person in front of me.

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I don't have that mentality.

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I'm afraid I'd actually be quite good
at playing this horrific role.

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These guys are not natural monsters.

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The situation makes them like that.

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Anyone in that situation
can turn into one.

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That's the scary thing.

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Perhaps not just anyone, right?

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As I see it, the context weights more
than one's character.

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A person's character plays first,
to outright reject the situation.

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To avoid becoming such a monster,
you must refuse the situation.

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If you accept it, you become one.

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Even now, I'm wondering
why I'm taking on this role today?

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That's already a question for me.
Something must be wrong with me.

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How long will it be
before you start missing your family?

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I want to know why I'm here.

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No, that's not the question I asked you.

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What grade is your kid in?

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6th and 5th grade.

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Imagine them entering high school,
and you're still in here.

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I have to understand why.

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There is no reason.

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Because you didn't help yourself.

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You decided to harm your kids.

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How about you stay for a while?

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I come back in three months
to see if you've found an answer.

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So we can help you.
Or we see that you still want to stay.

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You know, we have enough evidence
to really fill up your file.

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You've got nothing on me.
- We'll make things up.

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Fake evidence?

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We'll see, either we keep you without trial,
or we ask a judge to sentence you.

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We're in no rush.

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Just like you earn your salary from making films.
I clock in here every day.

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Time passes...
And I earn the same.

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Do you want to help yourself?
Or shall I come back in three months?

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I want to help myself.

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Good.

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Write.

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Who finances your films?

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Who else?
What does Hamze Ghalebi do?

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He studies pharmacy.
-Where?

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Outside of the city

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What does that mean?
Give me the name.

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Reims.

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Which university?
-I don't know.

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Good.

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That's not bad

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For a first day, it's not bad.

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But Hamze Ghalebi has the name of
his university on his Linkedin.

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You just lied to us.

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I must've made a mistake.

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You're making up excuses,
and you forgot that you had to stay here.

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I leave you the papers.

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You're going back to your cell.

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I'll be back in a few weeks.

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And we discuss it again.

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Is that good?
Or do you want to complete it now?

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That was one type of interrogation.

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We had discussed several scenarios.

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In your case,
I think that one would be best.

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The one we just acted out?
- Yes.

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Their goal is to tease out
any and all kind of information.

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Asking questions about other people,
their addresses, phone numbers, workplaces.

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Who knows who?

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After a few months, they'll say,
"Get out and never come back."

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What else?

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But for that to work,
he has to really scare you.

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He could also frighten you with stories
about the case being built against you.

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They'll say,
"This and that will happen to you..."

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"You'll get 11 years for this."

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You might be accused of spying...
it was hard for me, bringing that up.

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Why?

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With investment companies,
they also accuse you of spying.

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Why was it hard to bring up?

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Because I didn't want to go too deep
into the role of a torturer.

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Just from saying that?

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Talking about spying
would be taking the role too far?

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For example, about your kids,
I could have said more... But forget it.

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It feels so weird...
I'd rather not put myself in that situation.

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But they could keep on probing.
- What could they say about my child?

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For example, "Did you know your wife
is in Iran and looking for you?"

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"Do you want us to bring her in?
Do you want to see her again?"

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They'd say things like that?
- Yes.

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One night, one of them came in,
acting really kind and friendly...

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He asked, "Tell me..."

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"How big is your family?"

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As if he wanted to check
how bad losing one child would be for my family.

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"How many siblings do you have?"

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"If something happens to you...?
Are you an only child?"

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Imagine questions like that.

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You know you're risking 15 years in prison?

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And you're accused of spying?

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You know you acted against
Iranian National Security?

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What have you done
for your country, Tamadon?

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Apart from blackening its name?

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Why did you even come back?

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Why come back?
- I...

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Who are you working with in Tehran?

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I came back to show you the film.

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To show me the film?

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You pathetic guy!
I've already seen your film.

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Idiot! Coming all the way here
to show me the film?

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Your entire life is under our control!

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We know all your relations.

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I can tell you on what day
you met with this or that person!

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I even know what was discussed.

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I have the recordings tapes, photos.

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And you make the trip from France
to show me this film?

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You should have gone to Hell!
You should've stayed away.

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Moron.

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You're here because you're an idiot.
You got caught for nothing.

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You prostituted yourself for a few euros!

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You sold out your country!

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What are these lies you've made up?

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What's all this shit you've written to me?

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Listen!

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In February 2020...

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...you were at an important meeting
with the French secret services.

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You will tell me about that meeting.
Every single detail.

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Got it?

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Do you think we're asses?

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Stand up.

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Stand up and face the wall.

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Don't turn around.

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I'll keep you standing for 24 hours,
then you'll talk!

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Do you believe
the interrogator has a conscience?

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Of course.
Everyone has a conscience.

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But first he has a job to do.
And he sees you as the enemy.

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The interrogator justifies his own acts.
Same as under the Shah.

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Do you think the interrogator
who beat you had a conscience?

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What do you mean?
Everyone has a conscience.

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Everyone has a conscience...
- But they're defending something.

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They're defending something
and you're standing in their way.

00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:42.120
This "conscience" question is abstract.
I don't understand it.

00:19:43.040 --> 00:19:47.520
He probably has children.
He'd surely be upset if they were attacked.

00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:50.240
All in all,
he is a perfectly ordinary man.

00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.960
All right,
but when he's interrogating you

00:19:54.840 --> 00:19:56.400
In that moment...

00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:01.240
His conscience...
- Conscience, what's that about?

00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.640
He thinks you're deviant, and that..

00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.080
he has to set you right,
because you're a lost soul.

00:20:11.280 --> 00:20:15.200
He might also think the regime is rotten,
but that you're no better.

00:20:15.600 --> 00:20:20.240
Sometimes, he's just doing his job,
in which case, he abandons his conscience.

00:20:20.520 --> 00:20:23.680
If it's just a job, he has no conscience.
- As I see it, yes.

00:20:23.840 --> 00:20:29.440
As long as he defends his beliefs...
- You see it in the way he combats you.

00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.760
The result might be the same,
but it's not the same way of fighting.

00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.880
I think power structures
slowly lose their conscience.

00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:39.120
They just "do their jobs."
-As you see it

00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:43.920
nowadays, interrogators...?
-Their conscience slowly falters.

00:20:44.280 --> 00:20:46.520
These interrogators are not the same.

00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:50.280
Nowadays, interrogators ask about sex.

00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:55.200
Often, they stop the interrogation
and they ask sexual questions.

00:20:55.800 --> 00:20:58.760
They want distraction.
They want pleasure.

00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.720
Something they watch porn.
Sometimes they talk about it.

00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.920
In the 80's it was different.

00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.680
They were cruel,
but they wouldn't ask questions on that.

00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.640
So with someone like that...

00:21:16.360 --> 00:21:19.960
how do we re-engage his conscience?

00:21:20.120 --> 00:21:22.720
Is it possible?
- I don't know.

00:21:23.120 --> 00:21:24.960
I don't know... Perhaps...

00:21:26.520 --> 00:21:30.080
Maybe we need training.
No one knows how to.

00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:34.600
I couldn't re-engage their conscience.
My friend Hoda wasn't able to either!

00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.160
It's a job. It's a system.
I'd be surprised if...

00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:44.960
I don't know.

00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:46.920
I don't have an answer.

00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:48.720
Perhaps someone else would know.

00:21:53.560 --> 00:21:55.560
You left Iran when you were 12?

00:21:58.200 --> 00:21:59.160
Alone?

00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.240
No, with my sister and my mother.

00:22:03.320 --> 00:22:04.400
Where do they live?

00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:08.040
My mother is in France.
My sister is in the United States.

00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:13.000
Your father?
- He died.

00:22:14.560 --> 00:22:16.840
Natural death or killed?
- Natural death.

00:22:17.280 --> 00:22:18.320
From a heart attack.

00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:23.600
I thought he was a communist.
- Yes, but he didn't die in prison.

00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:26.520
He got out in 1966 `
and died in 1972.

00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:28.880
He died seven years before the Revolution.

00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.640
We had all supported the Revolution.

00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:33.440
We were happy the Revolution came.

00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:37.520
You were happy before it!

00:22:38.760 --> 00:22:42.280
We're still happy there was a revolution.

00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:43.960
So ?

00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:49.400
You're happy we had the Islamic Revolution?

00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.320
Not that it became Islamic.

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:56.600
But the fact there was a revolution...

00:22:56.760 --> 00:22:58.440
Your mother went directly to France?

00:22:59.080 --> 00:23:01.080
My mother... Yes.

00:23:01.800 --> 00:23:03.000
From the very start?

00:23:03.280 --> 00:23:05.400
All these years, you've lived in France?

00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:08.400
My...
- Are you lying?

00:23:08.520 --> 00:23:10.800
What?
- Are you lying? Is this all true?

00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:12.160
This is all true.

00:23:12.560 --> 00:23:13.800
Good.
- Why?

00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.120
No, we came to France in 1984.

00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:19.000
Be precise. "Precise".
- Yes.

00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.120
I lived in France from age 12 to 28.

00:23:22.360 --> 00:23:23.960
Even worse...
- What?

00:23:25.080 --> 00:23:27.320
How many years? 16 years?

00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:29.400
Yes, 16 years.
Then Iran for 4 years...

00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:31.280
Do you have a French passport?

00:23:31.840 --> 00:23:32.640
Right now?

00:23:32.760 --> 00:23:36.440
I've got two.
An Iranian and a French one.

00:23:36.840 --> 00:23:39.960
Which passport do you use
when you travel in secret?

00:23:40.800 --> 00:23:44.440
I don't travel in secret.
You mean, outside of Iran?

00:23:44.600 --> 00:23:49.800
If a country doesn't issue visas to Iranians,

00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.240
then I use my French passport.

00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.800
You can't go anywhere with an Iranian passport.
- You only have a French passport?

00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:57.280
Or several?

00:23:57.520 --> 00:23:58.480
No, just one.

00:23:59.080 --> 00:24:00.480
Why?
- We'll see.

00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:02.520
Let's start from the top.

00:24:03.320 --> 00:24:05.040
After 16 years, you left for Iran.

00:24:05.840 --> 00:24:07.040
Why did you come back?

00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.760
If you came back to live here,
why only stay four years?

00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:12.920
Where did you work?

00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:15.640
Suddenly, you come back to Iran.

00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:18.720
You're an architect,

00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.760
Then suddenly,
you become a film director.

00:24:22.360 --> 00:24:24.680
And you head straight to the cemetery.

00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.080
To film the mothers of martyrs.

00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:29.880
What prompted this evolution?

00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.120
"Evolution" in what sense?

00:24:33.800 --> 00:24:35.080
You were an architect, right?

00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.560
That's why you came back, right?
- Actually, I always felt...

00:24:40.120 --> 00:24:43.920
I felt that by practising architecture

00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.200
I wasn't able to really grapple

00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:51.240
with philosophical ideas and questions.

00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.120
That's why I quit architecture
and started making films.

00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:56.400
And?

00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:57.960
Who was behind this change?

00:24:58.600 --> 00:25:00.040
You just suddenly decided to...

00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.960
serve philosophical bullshit with your films.

00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:11.280
Who was behind this change?

00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.400
Nobody. I went to the cemetery and...

00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:17.440
Who is Fereshteh Homayouni?

00:25:21.360 --> 00:25:23.880
Who is she and what was the nature
of your relationship?

00:25:24.520 --> 00:25:26.040
In detail.

00:25:33.840 --> 00:25:37.040
Fereshteh Homayouni is a friend who...

00:25:42.360 --> 00:25:43.840
Why are you laughing?
Go on.

00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.840
She's a friend who makes films.

00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:52.800
What was the nature of your relationship?

00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.280
How is she involved in your films?

00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.480
She helped me with my first film.

00:26:08.520 --> 00:26:10.640
The one in the cemetery.
- She just helped you?

00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.360
Yes, she helped me.
- How did you meet her?

00:26:16.320 --> 00:26:17.400
At a party.

00:26:18.120 --> 00:26:19.160
A party where?

00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:21.960
In Iran?
- Yes.

00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:27.840
A party in whose home?
- She had just come back from Lisbon.

00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:30.160
She lived in Lisbon?

00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.320
She also suddenly decided
to come back to Iran.

00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.720
You both met in Iran.
At whose home?

00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:41.800
I forget.

00:26:43.360 --> 00:26:45.200
Don't bullshit me.
Who else was there?

00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.200
So?

00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:57.080
How long had you been in Iran,

00:26:58.120 --> 00:27:00.120
at the time you met Fereshteh?

00:27:01.600 --> 00:27:02.760
Less than a year.

00:27:04.120 --> 00:27:05.120
And?

00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:07.360
Where were you living?

00:27:08.120 --> 00:27:10.120
At my mother's.
- Where was that?

00:27:10.360 --> 00:27:11.400
Jordan.

00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.680
And where did Fereshteh live?
- Jordan.

00:27:16.320 --> 00:27:18.560
And you both met at someone else's home?

00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:24.520
And?

00:27:24.800 --> 00:27:26.480
You're recalling things now.

00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:29.560
Who is "Bald Mohsen"?

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:35.640
Mohsen?

00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:37.440
A friend.

00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.280
What links all these people together?

00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.280
I have a feeling
you're hiding some information.

00:27:48.520 --> 00:27:50.480
You're heading that way.

00:27:58.040 --> 00:28:00.360
Have you decided
to give me false information?

00:28:00.560 --> 00:28:01.560
You're playing smart.

00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.520
You know, I already know most of the answers
to what I'm asking.

00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.520
Let's resume.

00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:13.720
Why did you return to Iran?

00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:20.600
Why did I return to Iran?

00:28:21.080 --> 00:28:23.440
After 16 years of living in France.

00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:28.360
After you, your sister, your mother,
felt let down by the Revolution.

00:28:28.520 --> 00:28:29.800
Why return to Iran?

00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.200
The Islamic Republic isn't all there is.
I love Iran.

00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:41.880
And...

00:28:42.280 --> 00:28:45.320
You love Iran,
but you were in a real hurry to meet

00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.040
the mothers of martyrs,
the Bassidji, and the mullahs.

00:28:49.840 --> 00:28:51.120
You love Iran?
- Yes.

00:28:51.280 --> 00:28:52.280
Is that Iran, to you?

00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.880
Who ordered this mission?

00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:01.120
Why would you, after 16 years,
return to Iran to make a film

00:29:01.280 --> 00:29:06.080
on the mothers of martyrs, then the Bassidji,
then open a dialogue with four mullahs?

00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.720
No, wait...

00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:12.440
I like understanding people
who think differently from me.

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.440
Whether they're Bassidji or mullahs.

00:29:15.560 --> 00:29:18.120
I also think that I'm locked in my own ideas.

00:29:18.320 --> 00:29:22.080
Knowing how other people think
lets me understand how locked in I am.

00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.360
And have you understood?

00:29:24.560 --> 00:29:28.360
After making crappy films for 10 years,
have you understood in what you're locked?

00:29:30.520 --> 00:29:34.480
I knew in what I was locked...
I also live with an ideology...

00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.800
You knew what you were locking in,
and that's what you wanted to know ?

00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.440
It gives you a wider knowledge of...

00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:47.120
What a great philosopher!

00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:49.120
From the top...

00:29:49.760 --> 00:29:52.040
You lived in France for 16 years.

00:29:52.800 --> 00:29:57.680
As soon as you come back,
your friend arrives from Lisbon.

00:29:59.280 --> 00:30:02.480
Your other friend is also there.
You all are making a film together.

00:30:02.800 --> 00:30:04.240
A while later,

00:30:04.600 --> 00:30:05.920
Lætitia comes along.

00:30:09.760 --> 00:30:11.520
Wasn't Fereshteh your girlfriend?

00:30:12.600 --> 00:30:13.800
You fucked her, right?

00:30:20.760 --> 00:30:23.400
Why leave Fereshteh
and go with Lætitia?

00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.080
My relationship with Fereshteh
didn't last very long.

00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.080
The relationship...
- Your mission ended.

00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.000
What?
- Your mission ended.

00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.120
Or didn't she make you come?

00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:41.720
You fucked, right?

00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:44.400
You didn't just drink tea.
What was it like?

00:30:44.520 --> 00:30:46.360
It...
- What was she like?

00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:48.520
What was it like?
- What?

00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:51.560
The fuck.

00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:54.200
What was it like?

00:30:55.360 --> 00:30:58.800
We didn't have sex...
-You didn't have sex?

00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.560
No sex with your girlfriend?

00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:03.800
Tell me what it was like.

00:31:05.760 --> 00:31:07.760
What?
- What was your first time like?

00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:12.600
What?
- How did you fuck?

00:31:12.840 --> 00:31:14.040
Tell me about the foreplay.

00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:15.720
Show me.

00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.040
What our sexual relationship was like?
- Yes.

00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.680
How was it sleeping together?

00:31:24.840 --> 00:31:26.120
Your Persian isn't very good.

00:31:27.320 --> 00:31:29.600
What do you mean how we slept?
- First the foreplay.

00:31:29.760 --> 00:31:32.920
In bed.
- Good, and what did you start with?

00:31:40.120 --> 00:31:41.200
Show me.

00:31:45.320 --> 00:31:46.320
Show what?

00:31:46.560 --> 00:31:48.120
How did you do it?

00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.240
How did you start?
Where did you put your hands?

00:31:51.520 --> 00:31:52.840
What did you start with?

00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:55.800
Did you kiss first?

00:31:56.600 --> 00:31:58.200
Did you finger her?

00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:10.480
Stand up.

00:32:11.280 --> 00:32:12.240
Stand up.

00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:19.400
Step back.

00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:21.920
Take off your jacket.

00:32:22.120 --> 00:32:23.560
What?
- Take off your jacket.

00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.280
Take off your sweater
and whatever's underneath.

00:32:34.600 --> 00:32:35.640
Step back.

00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.160
I said take it off.

00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.480
Take off your trousers.

00:32:55.520 --> 00:32:56.720
Hurry up.

00:33:10.520 --> 00:33:11.520
So!

00:33:15.760 --> 00:33:19.520
I see clearly through you.
And not only me.

00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.640
For whom do you collect
this information?

00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.640
Who is helping you obtain this information?

00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.840
Who...
- I lost focus.

00:33:36.280 --> 00:33:37.600
Go ahead and focus.

00:33:39.040 --> 00:33:40.560
I don't have information on anyone.

00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:43.000
I don't give it to anyone.

00:33:43.280 --> 00:33:44.960
If there's one single person

00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:48.960
who knows what the Bassidji
and the mullahs are doing, it's you.

00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:50.640
You don't have any information?

00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:56.040
The one person moving freely
between France and Iran is you.

00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:58.960
How come?

00:33:59.080 --> 00:34:00.440
Do you think it's normal?

00:34:00.800 --> 00:34:03.040
Don't laugh.
What an actor you are !

00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.240
Don't play dumb.

00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.760
How are you able to move freely
between here and Iran?

00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.920
You say they took your passport in Iran.
Is that even true?

00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:24.040
You say you were interrogated.
Maybe you just drank tea with them.

00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:27.320
Admit it.

00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:28.920
Let's go back.

00:34:30.040 --> 00:34:31.480
When you came back to Iran,

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.040
and you met Fereshteh,

00:34:34.600 --> 00:34:35.640
what happened?

00:34:37.120 --> 00:34:38.560
Why did you decide to come back?

00:34:39.040 --> 00:34:41.000
Why did you start making films?

00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.040
Why the mothers of martyrs?

00:34:44.680 --> 00:34:46.240
Why do this after you left Iran?

00:34:47.600 --> 00:34:50.640
You should've brought Lætitia to Iran,
if you love Iran

00:34:51.560 --> 00:34:53.240
and you believe dialogue is possible.

00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.880
Dialogue is achieved through
the power of the camera.

00:34:59.040 --> 00:35:01.560
Through the power of the film, actually.

00:35:04.600 --> 00:35:05.600
Perfect.

00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:09.440
The camera's rolling.

00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.680
You say it's through the power of the camera.
Go ahead, start the dialogue.

00:35:24.120 --> 00:35:25.800
Take off your underpants.

00:35:34.640 --> 00:35:36.440
You can't have a dialogue
without underpants.

00:35:37.600 --> 00:35:39.080
Our situations need to be equal.

00:35:40.120 --> 00:35:41.760
I give you five minutes.

00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.240
If you say nothing,
we'll have a dialogue my way.

00:35:46.080 --> 00:35:47.080
Go ahead

00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:50.280
Face the camera.

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.840
Could you repeat the question?

00:35:55.240 --> 00:35:58.400
How are you able to move freely
between France and Iran

00:35:58.520 --> 00:36:00.000
and meet all these people?

00:36:01.120 --> 00:36:03.920
You make up they took your passport,

00:36:04.080 --> 00:36:06.200
yet you're safe and sound in front of me.

00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:10.120
You make films, attend festivals,
then you simply go back to Iran.

00:36:13.040 --> 00:36:15.440
You don't worry about your wife and kids...

00:36:15.640 --> 00:36:17.040
Tell me who Fereshteh is.

00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.440
I swear, I...
- Who do you give the information to?

00:36:23.720 --> 00:36:25.120
Take off your tank top.

00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:30.880
Do it before it gets worse.

00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.840
Go on.

00:36:53.080 --> 00:36:54.080
Quickly.

00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.520
I said take off your underpants.
- No.

00:37:42.160 --> 00:37:45.200
Well.
Then tell me about Fereshteh.

00:37:49.240 --> 00:37:52.040
Tell me how you would make love to her.

00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.920
Why didn't you two hit it together?

00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.880
It had nothing to do with our relationship.
- What was it about?

00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.280
It looks like your penis doesn't work right.

00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:05.360
What?

00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:09.240
I just want to see it,
to understand the problem.

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:10.560
Take them off.

00:38:11.640 --> 00:38:13.760
Laughing, are you?
You think I'm joking?

00:38:14.120 --> 00:38:15.920
Do I have to do it myself?

00:38:21.560 --> 00:38:22.960
What are you doing?

00:38:25.640 --> 00:38:26.640
Move.

00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:29.120
Move.

00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:32.400
There.

00:38:41.600 --> 00:38:43.120
Did I tell you to sit down?

00:38:47.120 --> 00:38:52.280
How is it you have both leftists
and mullahs as friends?

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.160
It must be my personality.

00:38:55.240 --> 00:38:58.280
What personality is that?
You're forgetful, have nothing to say...

00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.760
You can't even discuss properly.

00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.200
Let alone fuck.

00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:16.200
Come here.

00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:18.800
Stand here.

00:39:36.080 --> 00:39:37.960
I'll cut the water once you take them off.

00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.080
I can take them off myself,
but I would rather you did it.

00:39:58.080 --> 00:39:59.320
Will you talk or not?

00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:01.880
Tell me what you were doing in Iran.

00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:04.840
Who were you informing?

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:12.440
I'm not playing around with you.

00:40:15.120 --> 00:40:17.720
I'm not here to discuss
or fuck around with you.

00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:44.000
I'm waiting.

00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.200
Get up, take off your underwear.
Go on.

00:40:58.920 --> 00:40:59.840
Get up.

00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.320
Take off your underwear.

00:41:05.680 --> 00:41:06.640
I can't.

00:42:33.720 --> 00:42:36.200
Your kids' school closes in 30 minutes.

00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:39.440
It's 3.30 PM.

00:42:41.160 --> 00:42:42.800
Let's go for a walk.

00:42:47.640 --> 00:42:49.600
They'll see how strong Daddy is.

00:42:52.160 --> 00:42:53.560
How he won't give any information.

00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:56.560
I don't have information.
What information?

00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:00.640
How he'd sooner give his family grief
than give me any of his information.

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.120
You seem to endure everything.

00:43:09.120 --> 00:43:11.480
You want me to go outside naked?
- You think so ?

00:43:22.680 --> 00:43:23.680
Get up.

00:43:27.120 --> 00:43:28.080
Get up.

00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.320
She wants to take me past my kids' school.

00:43:42.520 --> 00:43:43.560
Get up.

00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.040
You really want to take me outside?

00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:00.040
We're going to the school.

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:16.400
Hurry up.

00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:51.280
Go on.

00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:09.600
School isn't even finished yet!

00:45:18.600 --> 00:45:21.960
Let's go to the cemetery then.
Maybe there you'll talk.

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.840
And you won't embarrass your children.
- School doors aren't open yet.

00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:35.200
Who protects you?

00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:39.200
Who are you selling information to?

00:45:44.520 --> 00:45:46.320
To people here?
Or to Iranians?

00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.240
What were the names of the Bassidji...

00:45:52.080 --> 00:45:55.160
who you spent time with?

00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:04.520
Why did they agree
to have a friendly chat with you?

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:08.040
That was big, right?

00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:09.840
As you say!

00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:21.000
Didn't they ask you about your friends?
Or the French people you associate with?

00:46:21.720 --> 00:46:24.040
They didn't ask you anything?
- No.

00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.360
How did it come about,
this unique relationship with the Bassidji?

00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:32.840
You live in France,
but your dream is to weave ties with the Bassidji!

00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.920
Honestly... That's a good question.

00:47:38.720 --> 00:47:40.880
Am I supposed to answer?
- Go ahead.

00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:43.440
If you have the answer, go ahead.

00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.080
I'm trying to understand why some people
are comfortable with repressing others.

00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:56.440
Could you kill someone?

00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.160
Me?
- Could you round up protesters?

00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.600
Beat them? Gas them?
- No.

00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.800
You couldn't.
-No.

00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:10.280
So how could you hang out with them,
eat with them, travel with them?

00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.080
Live 48 hours under the same roof as them...
How could you do that?

00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.000
How could you open a dialogue
with a killer holding all the power?

00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:36.840
Those people...
- How many films does it take to understand?

00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:41.240
Those people never killed anyone.
The ones I filmed didn't kill anyone.

00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.600
But they're capable of it.
If required, they'd do it, right?

00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:52.680
Aren't they devoted to the cause?

00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:12.640
Maybe they would kill me too, then.

00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.560
You doubt that? "Maybe", you say?

00:49:17.680 --> 00:49:20.480
So... Who's protecting you?

00:49:20.680 --> 00:49:22.600
Who's backing you up?

00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.760
What do they offer you?

00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:33.360
Hold on...

00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:58.720
What are you doing?

00:51:02.200 --> 00:51:03.080
Go down.

00:51:15.560 --> 00:51:17.640
What did you think about all night?

00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:25.360
Proud of yourself, are you?

00:51:26.080 --> 00:51:27.520
24 hours of interrogation.

00:51:28.160 --> 00:51:31.320
Even in Evin prison,
they don't strip people like that.

00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.040
They do something else at Evin.

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.720
This should balance things out, right?
- That's fair.

00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:45.080
What's this film about?

00:51:45.720 --> 00:51:46.920
What will come out of it?

00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.760
You take 15 minutes for a single word!
Speak up!

00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.080
Yes, sorry.

00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.440
The film is about...

00:51:55.680 --> 00:51:59.160
It's about the violence
we inflict upon ourselves...

00:52:02.600 --> 00:52:07.160
You're planning to show the violence
between Iranians here in France?

00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.040
No.
Not only.

00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.480
You want to show it in Iran,
to real-life interrogators?

00:52:16.600 --> 00:52:19.800
Actually, that's a great idea.

00:52:20.560 --> 00:52:23.360
Doors would open for you.
You could even move back.

00:52:23.520 --> 00:52:26.080
The regime commits violence...

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:31.200
Why not make a film on the Supreme Leader?
- ...an oppressive state that uses violence...

00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.960
A system uses this violence

00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.560
against its own people.

00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:44.240
Here, I am the system.
- If I may !

00:52:44.640 --> 00:52:46.680
You are not the system.

00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.600
I'm speaking to an interrogator
of the Iranian regime.

00:52:51.600 --> 00:52:53.520
It uses violence

00:52:54.680 --> 00:52:59.560
in interrogation rooms,
in its prisons, in its repressive measures

00:53:00.200 --> 00:53:01.880
against its own people,

00:53:03.680 --> 00:53:04.760
and...

00:53:06.040 --> 00:53:07.480
and...

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:10.040
this violence...

00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.520
it's rooted inside of us Iranians.

00:53:16.240 --> 00:53:21.000
Mehran, ever since you're here,
you bring up this violence about me.

00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:26.640
You say I have this anger against Iran.
- Not since the start...

00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:32.400
You've been saying it since yesterday.
How'd you reach this psychoanalysis?

00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.600
It's nonsense.
- These are your words.

00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:43.760
You come up with this game
in which people interrogate you

00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:48.320
they drag up all their trauma,
to help you be interrogated.

00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:51.800
Are we the violent ones, or is it you?

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.080
First of all.

00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.720
Anyhow, what's all this bullshit talk?
It's the first time I hear it.

00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:09.320
Your film, it's about the violence
that Iranians in France inflict on each other?

00:54:09.520 --> 00:54:13.760
No. But there's some of that too.
We had discussed this together.

00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:16.080
At my home.

00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.440
You'll take that idea to Iran
and say, "I didn't realize it."

00:54:30.640 --> 00:54:31.520
What?

00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:35.400
Thanks to this idea,
this film could even be sold in Iran.

00:54:39.200 --> 00:54:40.360
That's wonderful.

00:54:43.040 --> 00:54:48.480
Your future interrogators
will enjoy watching this film.

00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.560
Watching Iranians in France
tearing themselves to bits.

00:54:53.520 --> 00:54:56.360
They'll even talk around, saying,
"We saw this set of films...

00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:01.440
Iranians who had been interrogated,
now interrogating each other."

00:55:03.160 --> 00:55:04.280
Wonderful.

00:55:05.520 --> 00:55:06.800
Thanks a lot.

00:55:07.600 --> 00:55:10.600
All this, thanks to the Islamic Republic.

00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.760
Mehran, you think you're an intellectual, right?

00:55:17.080 --> 00:55:18.600
You've read a lot, it seems.

00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:22.640
You think you speak in a refined manner.

00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:29.480
That you're a clever thinker...
-I think this semi-totalitarian system,

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:33.920
that has been around since the Shah,
it's made us all sick.

00:55:36.200 --> 00:55:37.240
But...

00:55:38.720 --> 00:55:40.400
What do you want me to do to you?

00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:41.960
What do you like?

00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.440
What do you want to happen next?

00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:51.480
What?
- I'll do whatever you say.

00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:57.040
You say we choose to be abused.
So go ahead, you choose.

00:55:57.240 --> 00:55:59.680
What form of abuse do you want?

00:58:00.160 --> 00:58:04.320
In a real interrogation room,
if you answer my question with a question,

00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.920
you'll be beaten silly, understand?

00:58:08.040 --> 00:58:13.080
If you were interrogated by Saïd Emami,
you'd have no place to breathe.

00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.080
What do you plan to do
with this footage you're filming?

00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.680
Who will you send it to in Iran?

00:58:23.600 --> 00:58:24.480
Send what?

00:58:24.600 --> 00:58:28.080
Footage of myself being beaten?
- Are you being beaten?

00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.560
Your problem is that you're
in your own little world.

00:58:42.200 --> 00:58:48.920
Is it right to make people suffer
in the name of cinema?

00:58:49.080 --> 00:58:53.040
To hurt them again?
To pick at old wounds?

00:58:53.600 --> 00:58:56.000
What gives you the right to do that?

00:58:58.200 --> 00:59:03.480
If you think this "interrogation"
is anything at all like...

00:59:03.720 --> 00:59:06.400
walk up and down.
Don't stand there staring at me.

00:59:10.200 --> 00:59:15.320
This is nothing like the real thing.
There's no stick being stuck up your ass.

00:59:17.720 --> 00:59:20.800
I mean, just saying it...
- Just me saying it?

00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:28.400
This is the same logic you used
with the Bassidji and the mullahs.

00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:30.320
For nothing.

00:59:33.080 --> 00:59:36.760
When you grow the balls to go there
and you end up in prison,

00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:41.760
and one of them films you,
then that'll be a real documentary.

00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.960
Anyhow, in this film,

00:59:58.600 --> 01:00:02.440
I try my best to show
what torture and interrogation are.

01:00:02.640 --> 01:00:04.160
Oh, were you tortured today?

01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:08.200
Torture isn't just about beating.

01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.240
You laugh in front of me
and you say you're tortured?

01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.760
You think it's all a joke,
and you say you're tortured?

01:00:17.240 --> 01:00:19.400
I'm the one being tortured here!

01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:34.960
You think it's all a game?
Like this is a nice chat over a coffee?

01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.040
You think it's like that there?

01:00:37.200 --> 01:00:38.280
Keep walking.

01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:43.880
Do you really think the stress
of a real interrogation room,

01:00:44.040 --> 01:00:45.560
let alone the torture,

01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.320
do you think it's anything like
what you're experiencing?

01:00:50.120 --> 01:00:51.720
I know it's not comparable.

01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.200
Then what's the point of this film?

01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.080
You think if you take this film
about interrogation with you to Iran,

01:01:05.240 --> 01:01:09.040
if you show it to the mam
who will be your interrogator...

01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:14.240
Do you think only you will get in trouble?

01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:22.840
Do you believe the regime won't harass
the families of the others in your film?

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:27.200
I wanted you to stand outside
your kids' school for two minutes,

01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:29.960
you couldn't make a step.

01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:32.840
You refuse to involve your family.

01:01:43.160 --> 01:01:46.760
And you think you're some amazing director?

01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:48.480
I don't claim that.

01:01:50.200 --> 01:01:53.840
Why are you filming people
who've experienced this type of violence?

01:01:58.640 --> 01:02:02.160
Aren't you ashamed
of casting people for this?

01:02:10.520 --> 01:02:13.040
I make an offer, people can refuse.

01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:15.320
They can say no.

01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:19.800
Maybe they can't refuse it.
Maybe they're masochists.

01:02:22.600 --> 01:02:24.640
Do you have to involve them in this?

01:02:27.120 --> 01:02:28.600
Look, it's not so bad

01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:34.120
but just recognize that
you're giving out information on them.

01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:36.800
I'm not informing on anyone.
- So?

01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:41.840
But if you're saying I'm unethical
because of what I'm doing...

01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.720
maybe you're right.
If it feels like...

01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:50.160
Your films never give me the impression
that you're either respectful or ethical.

01:02:51.600 --> 01:02:56.360
You say you're an ethical person,
but I've never felt that with your films.

01:02:59.160 --> 01:03:03.200
You take money from the French
so you can cosy up to Bassidji in Iran,

01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.720
so you can make shitty "exotic" films.

01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.920
You tour Western film festivals,
people tell you "how brave you are",

01:03:10.040 --> 01:03:14.960
then you go back to Iran, like a pathetic...
"Excuse me, I've come to open a dialogue."

01:03:15.240 --> 01:03:17.360
"Please, despite the rioting."

01:03:23.200 --> 01:03:24.280
Walk on.

01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:39.280
See, before it was them toying with you,
now you've flipped the game.

01:03:42.080 --> 01:03:43.040
And?

01:03:43.240 --> 01:03:49.800
Ever since they took your passport,
ever since those three interrogations...

01:03:50.160 --> 01:03:51.800
they weren't even real interrogations...

01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:53.280
Don't stop.
-And ?

01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.640
Is this your revenge?

01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:04.120
Against who?

01:04:04.640 --> 01:04:10.160
You want to use the people here
to take power away from the interrogator.

01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.000
So you can say,
"I know you better than anyone."

01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:14.640
"I know your game."

01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.280
How do you come up with these ideas?

01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:19.680
What else can it be?

01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.640
How else could you come up
with the idea for such a film?

01:04:33.640 --> 01:04:38.320
If you at least went to Iran, we'd say,
"He's sticking his neck out too."

01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:39.600
I do want to go!

01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.000
We're the only ones sticking our necks out.
You really want to go?

01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.080
Why did you change your mind this morning?

01:04:47.680 --> 01:04:49.320
I want to. I just have to...

01:04:49.720 --> 01:04:50.720
What?

01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.800
When the time comes,
I'll see if I'm still brave enough.

01:04:55.840 --> 01:05:01.280
If you're not brave enough,
what's the point in filming all this?

01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.600
This footage... It'll become a film...

01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.040
After making people suffer,
you have to suffer too.

01:05:10.200 --> 01:05:12.640
You should have a taste of it yourself.

01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:19.360
Without it, you just make people suffer
to make your films, as always.

01:05:21.080 --> 01:05:22.240
Don't stop.

01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.280
You're reducing my film
to something that's...

01:05:45.720 --> 01:05:48.480
a disgrace.
But it's not just that.

01:05:49.600 --> 01:05:52.200
Defend yourself.
What do you have to say?

01:05:53.080 --> 01:05:55.320
I've said everything.
There's nothing more.

01:05:57.240 --> 01:06:01.960
What you've said isn't worth a damn.
This isn't a film.

01:06:02.160 --> 01:06:06.640
The existence of your film
won't change anything in this world.

01:06:09.520 --> 01:06:11.920
Films like "Bassidji" and "Iranian".

01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:29.120
You could say that about all films.
- No, not all films.

01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.520
You can't make such a criticism
of a film that is sincere.

01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:37.360
Any documentary...

01:06:37.520 --> 01:06:42.360
You can make a bad film,
make mistakes, act immorally.

01:06:42.520 --> 01:06:46.520
It happens to everyone.
But you need to admit your mistakes.

01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:48.280
What are my mistakes?

01:06:52.680 --> 01:06:55.280
Your mistake is,
you gave the mullahs credit.

01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.360
Your mistake is,
you promoted them.

01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.840
Your mistake is,
you made a joke out of interrogation.

01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:06.160
All day long,
you've been giggling.

01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:14.800
Can you imagine bursting out laughing
in front of a real interrogator?

01:07:20.640 --> 01:07:24.120
I didn't "burst out laughing."
I laughed a few times.

01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:34.600
Look, you're stopped again,
a real interrogator would have broken your knees.

01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:47.840
When will you admit it?
- What?

01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:52.520
That this isn't cinema.
This isn't a documentary.

01:07:55.720 --> 01:07:57.280
Go to your room.

01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.600
Where?
- Where you were before.

01:09:07.440 --> 01:09:12.560
What gave you the right
to ask people to play this game?

01:09:15.080 --> 01:09:18.960
What would you say if this experience
stuck with me for the next 10 years?

01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:22.000
The pain of the last two days?
- Yes.

01:09:26.480 --> 01:09:31.360
Continuing to play this game
will take us to a very dark place.

01:09:48.040 --> 01:09:53.120
If I had to show you my scars,
unleash them on you, that would be awful.

01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:02.600
You lured me into a game
where I don't have the means to go all the way.

01:10:06.120 --> 01:10:09.360
In this game,
I have to constantly seek myself out.

01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:11.360
Seek out my interrogator.

01:10:15.480 --> 01:10:17.480
For you to have your experience.

01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:21.040
What are you thinking?

01:10:21.400 --> 01:10:26.120
You're thinking, "This is cinema.
I'm sowing seeds to create a dialogue."

01:10:26.320 --> 01:10:27.920
"They'll hear Zar's voice."

01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:32.120
You think that next time,
they won't look into our private lives.

01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:38.000
Next time?
- For example...

01:10:38.160 --> 01:10:40.240
That from now on, in interrogations,

01:10:40.400 --> 01:10:43.040
they will no longer stick their noses
in people's private lives.

01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:45.680
They won't conflate things.

01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:48.200
They won't be violent.

01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.440
They'll interrogate with humanity.

01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:57.360
That if you go back to Iran,
they'll treat you more humanely.

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Because you finally opened a dialogue.
This film is already a dialogue with them.

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Do you actually think it'll work?

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If you convince me it'll work,
if I manage to believe in it,

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I would thank you
for involving me in this game,

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for making this sacrifice
because it will pay off.

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'Cause the guy will be hit,
thanks to the seeds you have sown.

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But deep inside you
do you think someone will change?

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That something will change?

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That, I don't know.

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In any case, it's a whole system.

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The interrogator is an individual...

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It's really hard, letting out this ugly,
violent part of myself.

01:11:58.480 --> 01:12:02.160
It's hard,
bringing out these parts of myself...

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parts of myself that break principles,

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that let you be so violent to someone.

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Being irrational and violent.

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I don't think it's possible
to dialogue with someone at that point.

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You mean a real-life interrogator?
- Yes.

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Just seeing myself
after these last two days scares me!

01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.880
How could an interrogator look at himself?

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Look back at his 20 years
of work as an interrogator?

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Through your film?

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How can that change him?

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By seeing himself.
-But how can you make him look at himself?

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He doesn't see himself.

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Maybe if you have faith
that he can change,

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if you have faith,
you should also give him this chance.

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That's my reasoning.
Maybe I'm wrong, as you think.

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And maybe I'm seriously wrong, but...

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The only thing that worries me now
is how you feel hurt.

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And it's also true that...

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the fact I'm disturbed
has no impact on how you feel.

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Well, that's it !

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That's good, because it breaks you.

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This is how you get crushed.

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I even enjoyed crushing you,
with the things I've said.

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You feel bad, and that's good!

01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:56.640
But you hurt me, yes.

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Even if you tried to avoid it.

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I didn't try to avoid it.
A project like this brings out a lot of pain.

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Are you angry?
- I don't know if I'm me or the interrogator.

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Should I stop being the interrogator?

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As you wish.
- Am I done now?

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I hurt you.
- You end up loathing yourself.

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It's hard being like that.

01:14:48.320 --> 01:14:50.520
Do you regret it?
- No, I don't regret it.

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No, not at all.

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I said you made me suffer
to make you falter, to break you.

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To see if I was on the right track.

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The most terrifying thing is that
if it lasted three weeks, I could have become

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physically violent with you.

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There were things I was visualising.

01:15:16.160 --> 01:15:20.960
Maybe you can't imagine this,
but I saw myself raping you.

01:15:22.480 --> 01:15:24.120
You mean you saw yourself...?

01:15:24.280 --> 01:15:25.640
I could imagine doing it.

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Doing it yourself?
- Yes.

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During these two days,
I didn't dare do it.

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I didn't take things further, but...

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I could've gotten violent and wild
to the point of doing it.

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If I kept going in the same direction.

01:15:56.320 --> 01:15:59.320
I was beginning to convince myself
that you're a spy.

01:16:00.040 --> 01:16:03.360
What?
- Through force of repetition.

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Violence breeds violence.

01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.600
By repeating it,
you end up believing it.

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Were you starting to believe?

01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:16.560
Seriously, yes.

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At times, it was repeating an experience
from your own life.

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In some respects.

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You were inspired by your own experience.
- Yes, they question you very directly...

01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:03.520
What?
- He delves into your life story.

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Besides that,
they stripped me and filmed me naked.

01:17:07.440 --> 01:17:08.480
Really?

01:17:13.280 --> 01:17:15.520
On the pretext of a medical exam, but...

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Who were they ? Women ?

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Yes, but before that,
Judge Mortazavi asked me :

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"Stand up, turn around.
Tell me how you fuck. How does it start?"

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And because I didn't say anything...
- What?

01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:04.800
Because I answered nothing,
he sent me to the medical examiner.

01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:09.760
The examination consisted in
getting me naked and filming.

01:18:15.400 --> 01:18:17.200
It wasn't a simple check-up.

01:18:36.400 --> 01:18:39.760
The doctor penetrated me
so violently with her fingers,

01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:41.920
I couldn't walk for three days.

01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:48.240
For that event,
I was looking for something similar.

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To act out with you
what I had experienced.

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Part of it was improvised.

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Did you want to get me naked?

01:19:07.240 --> 01:19:09.400
I didn't have a thought-out idea.

01:19:11.080 --> 01:19:15.120
I just wanted to see how far you'd go.

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What do you think will happen
if I take this film to Iran?

01:19:22.080 --> 01:19:25.600
Maybe you'll be able to open a dialogue.

01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:27.680
A dialogue without any outcome.

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Because they are what they are.

01:19:36.080 --> 01:19:37.120
But at least...

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it becomes a movie.

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MY WORST ENEMY
By Mehran Tamadon